Why were healers made so ridiculous?

Once upon a time healers were affected by air traps, they were not nigh invincible in strategies like queen walk / super queen / giant-healer based attacks. It required a certain amount of strategy in where you placed those healers because they weren't going to last forever.

But no more! Now any run of the mill attacker can smack down 2-4 healers behind a queen or set of large giants with the confidence that they will last most if not all of the attack. Why? Because all of three (optionally four) types of defenses can actually affect the healers, and no traps affect them at all. (As a th9)

If the current update is trending towards the use of more strategic attacks with more powerful armies, why are the healers allowed to remain such a cop out? I say they need change.

I propose a few options:

Enable air traps against healers.

This is possibly the most simple option and decreases their overall survivability.

Nerf their healing ability (once again)

While this option may work, it may also make healers entirely useless.

Decrease their range and force them to switch target as often as they go out of range.

One current issue with healers is how far they may be away from the target they are healing, air sweepers are practically useless against them. Furthermore a queen is well within range to destroy an AD before the healers that heal the queen can be hit by that AD. A solution to this issue could be forcing the healers much closer to their target, and in the case they went out of range they would have to choose a new target.

Thanks for reading my thoughts before I go to sleep, but this has been bothering me for awhile!

well you have to remember that COC did address this issue in the update. They made the stacking ability of healers pretty much null after 5 healers on the same target. Now a queen level 35 on a TH 8 with 5 healers would walk right through that base but you put that same queen in a TH 10 or 11 base and it will go down...not as fast as one without the healers, but it will go down nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by harveyson1975

well you have to remember that COC did address this issue in the update. They made the stacking ability of healers pretty much null after 5 healers on the same target. Now a queen level 35 on a TH 8 with 5 healers would walk right through that base but you put that same queen in a TH 10 or 11 base and it will go down...not as fast as one without the healers, but it will go down nonetheless.

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I'm a town hall non nine, and I'm aware of that update however all I'm seeing is constrain of 2-4 healers rather than the ridiculous 8 before the update. As a th9 with my xbow set to ground, which has certain strategic advantages, I simply don't have the concentrations of point defense that can attack the healersat any given time. I'd simply like the same expectations we have of failing of other air troops to apply to the healer, it makes little to no sense that they do not.

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Originally Posted by zepher2211

I'm a town hall non nine, and I'm aware of that update however all I'm seeing is constrain of 2-4 healers rather than the ridiculous 8 before the update. As a th9 with my xbow set to ground, which has certain strategic advantages, I simply don't have the concentrations of point defense that can attack the healersat any given time. I'd simply like the same expectations we have of failing of other air troops to apply to the healer, it makes little to no sense that they do not.

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With 4 healers I'm pretty sure you only need 3 point defense locked on to the queen. Really not a lot to take her down when she is exposed.

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Originally Posted by 31rambo

With 4 healers I'm pretty sure you only need 3 point defense locked on to the queen. Really not a lot to take her down when she is exposed.

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That'd be great if the strategy only focused on using the healers on the queen, but as they are free to wander the base afterwards...

Most recent example:

AQ, 4 Healers, 12 Giants, 7 Valks, rest wizards

Simple queen walk takes out outside point defense, giants laid to soak up damage from surrounding defenses, Valks bound for the core, so on and so forth.

I could show countless examples of poorly executed attacks that would have failed had not healers been around for any troops that needed buffing at the time.

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While I'm unsure if your guess about only needing three point defenses to take down a queen worth four healers is accurate, is rather irrelevant due to the fact that a queen walk would be talking out those point defenses...

Every 10 or less atacks i get is a queen walk and i hate people who use it, its the laziest srat ever and every time i get 2 starred even 3 starred, my origmal idea to fix it was double the fange of the air defenses and that would work as air defences cant hit any healer thats healing a troop within 5 or 6 blocks of its range (rendering the air defences useless if the healers are healing a queen) but i now see the best and only real solution is to make seeking air mines blow those things out the sky and that is the best option, please supercell ban this stupid strat and make heales not invincible. They are OP (as well as level 3 witches but thats a different issue XD)

ur argumentation is not rational, its emotional. "u hate that strat" thats ur problem.
wheres the problem getting wiped out why a queen walk or superqueen at th9? he also needs like 2/3 rages for that and plenty of units for the funnel. that way u need like almost all ur possibilities of troops capacity and spells. so wheres the problem? th9 can wiped of that way, with giants and wiz also. its not like he needs only 30 troop capacity for that. i think its fine
and now, i do not farm with superqueen. i can steal all the dark elixer with giants wiz and barch.

Healers really need a serious nerf. They are air troops so Air Traps/Bombs SHOULD affect them. Healers are far too OP and with this update, that oversight is being exploited far too much.

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Originally Posted by ok04Horst

ur argumentation is not rational, its emotional. "u hate that strat" thats ur problem.
wheres the problem getting wiped out why a queen walk or superqueen at th9? he also needs like 2/3 rages for that and plenty of units for the funnel. that way u need like almost all ur possibilities of troops capacity and spells. so wheres the problem? th9 can wiped of that way, with giants and wiz also. its not like he needs only 30 troop capacity for that. i think its fine
and now, i do not farm with superqueen. i can steal all the dark elixer with giants wiz and barch.

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Our argument is soundly rational and requires no "emotion" to follow. Why disable an air based troop from being affected by air based traps? Why create a troop with ai that can't really be affected by good base design?

Why reward attackers using a lazy strategy that requires little to no actual planning?

I'm having a hard time seeing a counter point to the idea that healers need a nerf honestly, past people just liking how over powered they are.

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Originally Posted by DJJDCOOOL

Every 10 or less atacks i get is a queen walk and i hate people who use it, its the laziest srat ever and every time i get 2 starred even 3 starred, my origmal idea to fix it was double the fange of the air defenses and that would work as air defences cant hit any healer thats healing a troop within 5 or 6 blocks of its range (rendering the air defences useless if the healers are healing a queen) but i now see the best and only real solution is to make seeking air mines blow those things out the sky and that is the best option, please supercell ban this stupid strat and make heales not invincible. They are OP (as well as level 3 witches but thats a different issue XD)

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Having tried different elements of base design to combat the use of healers in farming, I've found my only current hope to be good pathing of giants, but that does not really help with queen walk based strategies.

Designing my base using the current meta for war helps with queen walk, but has its downfalls for trying to save resources.

Against regular air based troops and strategies I can employ paired Wizard Towers, double seeking air mines, and a 70/30 ratio of AD and Queen air protection, but none of that really works with healers because of how far back they can sit behind troops.

So I'm really at a loss as to what to do, and believe healers simply need to be redesigned to work with the rest of the game.

Please stop whining about queen healer rampage; it requires level20 or higher queen to be effective, and luck so that AD or xbow didn't somehow managed to aim the healers. You should adopt that tactic and practice itas well once you got lv5AQ.

If there would be some nerfing i would just recommend only air mines can damage healers...

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Originally Posted by DrSalvador

Please stop whining about queen healer rampage; it requires level20 or higher queen to be effective, and luck so that AD or xbow didn't somehow managed to aim the healers. You should adopt that tactic and practice itas well once you got lv5AQ.

If there would be some nerfing i would just recommend only air mines can damage healers...

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Again, this is the biggest reply I'm hearing rather than reasons the healer shouldn't be changed, "I like how ridiculously op this strategy is, quit whining."

I am really open to reasons as to why the healer should be the way it is now, but a valid reason isn't really, "because some people like it that way."

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Originally Posted by zepher2211

Again, this is the biggest reply I'm hearing rather than reasons the healer shouldn't be changed, "I like how ridiculously op this strategy is, quit whining."

I am really open to reasons as to why the healer should be the way it is now, but a valid reason isn't really, "because some people like it that way."

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If seeker mines able to hit healers, nobody would find healers to be useful anymore at th7-11. Considering you need 3-4 healers to be effective. It can be OP, at the hands of skilled, experienced players, but not to some noobs like me :3