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i don't now how exactly the other balances are, but at th9 every base gets 3 starred at war and the offensive is much to strong in comparison to the defensive, so I propose to ad one or two teslas you can build at th9 to establish again the balance. this would be great and would do also the base building extremely interesting! :)
Offense is meant to have an inherent advantage over defense, and that is always how it will be. Adding defenses to create a 50/50 shot for the attacker doesn't fit in with the model SC desires.
My thought is that cw is boring if always every th 9 gets three stared by an other th9 without having a chance. I think my idea would fix this bad problem, because out of my view of point nowadays the skills of this doesn't matter, because it's to easy to 3 star them! Does supercell wants to motivate like this bad attackers and doesn't care about the good ones???:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiating
To be honest thats what I really feel also with the updates!:unsure:
I don't know what TH9's you are seeing getting 3-starred, but the clan I am in runs 5 TH9s, two max except heroes, and one of them gets 3-starred one out of every fifteen wars or so, and not once have the both been 3-starred for the past 45 wars (and 45 wars ago they were less then max), hell, the 3rd TH9 which is about halfway through 9, doesn't get 3-starred often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian99
then you have war against bad clans, we have 30 th9s in about 10 totally maxed out and we three star almost all th9 opponents with our th9. I think that in the next two matchups (against above&beyond (we won last time) and Onehive invicta) there also all of us th9s will be three stared...
Slightly off topic, but have you guys ever tried anti 3 star bases?
I mean, it's not impossible to 3 star them, but it should at least make it a lot more difficult
I'm trying to make the point that if we face a TH9 that can 3-star a max TH9 one out of 20+ wars, (getting 2-4 TH9's with max Offense), it seems pretty balanced to me. If there is a small group of good players that can 3-star at a high percentage, that doesn't mean it's unbalanced throughout all of TH9 play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian99
Everyone in my clan has (I watched a three hour guide how to build them from OneHivelabs) ..., do you know go hog, govahog, golaloon, surgical hog, queen walk, suicide dragon,... no base can defend properly several times against such strategies.Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Glezen
do you get always attacked by gowipe (it's a quite bad strategy) ?Quote:
Originally Posted by itmustbeaustin
And I think the game shouldn't be people for which th9 three staring is too easy! And if they know from the first attack the cc troops the traps and tesla location it anyway shouldn't be too easy (90%+ probability) to three star these bases!
Might be easy for you, but almost ever clan I war can't three star. My base almost prevented a three star against a max TH10 and has stuffed a GoLava.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian99
ours do so too but just the first attack until the opponent know the cc and traps. Perhaps My point of view isn't the normal one because we do every weekend an organized matchup against other high level german warclans, actually we even do how I mentioned before mus against Above&Beyond and OneHive Invicta, and perhaps other clans don't do so and have less practice in war against other top warclans. But my goal is that it's everywhere hard to threestar a th9!Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiating
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Originally Posted by Maximilian99
We are a very spread range, from TH3/4 to TH10. Perhaps we don't have your skills, but it is definitely not the case that our TH9s reliably three star TH9s, or Are three starred by enemy TH9s. Of course, the TH9s are usually three starred, but by spare attacks from TH10s.
We don't have, and rarely match, maxed or nearly maxed TH9s. Perhaps that is a big difference. Does a maxed TH9 more reliably three star a maxed TH9 than a fresh TH9 three star a fresh TH9? Possibly, noting that on becoming TH9, the player can build new defences much more quickly than upgrade troops.
True, GoWiPe, and variants, are high risk options for three starring, being reliable for two stars only. We know that. We do, however, occassionally have our TH9s three star TH9s using:
(1) Hog rush (>30 hogs), even with level 4 hogs and level 5 heals
(2) Lavaloon (max balloons, levelled up hounds, one maxed from the CC)
(3) GoWipe with late Hogs for the back end.
(The above are in order of ease. (1) & (2) are versatile, but come with high risk of only achieving one star. (3) is very reliable for two stars but hard to get the third. (1) & (2) are very dependent on vulnerable base designs, (3) being more successful on the anti-hog anti lavaloon designs.)
I think three-starring TH9 on TH9 is difficult, appropriately, and that maybe you are in an unusual situation of having and matching mostly maxed TH9s. You and your opponents are probably overdue to move to TH10.
These criticisms you have of three starring TH9 being too easy pale when I compare with our TH7s. It remains absurdly easy to three star any TH7 with level 1 dragons.
Our attack strategies are gohog, golaloon and there we sometimes ad valkyries,queen walk, suicide dragon and other stuff. our th10s nearly never have to attack th9s. We start cw often with about 25 th9s heroes 15-30 5 th10 and 1-3 th11s.Quote:
Originally Posted by George1971
hey guys.
i think george is not a hardcore war guy, maximilan is right? i am too ;-)
pre update i was like 50% chance to 3 star my opponents base on a fresh hit (i face anti 2 star mostly, im in a small clan)
but i was able to 3 star like 80% of my attempts when i knew where the traps r. (im fairplay, no modding btw)
now with the update (dont watch the freeze, its useless in th9 vs th9) the extra dark spell and the extra 30s make it so damn easy. since the update i failed maybe 2 times on a fresh it, all the other attacks were 3 stars and im not even a perfect attacker, just decent with AQ20 BK27, using goho, golaloon or pentalaloon sometimes with queenwalks. but the increase of my success shows me, that 1 spell and 30s is enough so ruin the balance. im a decent attacker and i can get the 3 star even if i missplaced a spell or failed with something else.
simply take away the donated dark spell from th9s and make the war time increased for the ths and at least th9 is fine again. what i mean with increasing war time: no th3/4/5 needs 3min. give them like 2. give 6/7/8/9 2,5min and th10 needs these extra 30s, this was a good way to balance th10 but sadly ruiding th9.
i really have to agree with maxi. some youtubers show and tell the same like jake from onehive. their 9s r 3 staring their enemies 10s quite often. one attack was pretty impressive, a may 9 got like 80% 2 stars vs a th11 ;D
thank you for your support, so i think you should know too that the idea with the two more teslas is from one hive labs the last base building video :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ok04Horst
I don't think making it harder will solve everything, TH9 right now has a "just right" setting IMHO...Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian99
Dear Maximilian, those strats are good and can three star Th9 bases, but they need practice :smirk: please do not fluffy bunny me any longer :smirk::smirk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian99
Have Fun
TS
No. I am in it for fun. Half the clan are kids or teenagers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ok04Horst
Nevertheless, it is interesting that the clans we match also have TH9s that fail to easily three star. Maybe by being a full range, TH3/4 - 10, we consistently match up with other non-hardcore players.
I don't doubt that Maximilian is right, for his sort of clan, but I am a little concerned that he wants defences buffed when I think they are about right. Out TH10s never three star TH10s; TH9s three star TH9s sometimes, TH8s have trouble but they are on a learning curve there. TH7 and below always can three star their equal. The little kid TH3-4s are just funny to watch.
As per Radiating, "TH9 right now has a "just right" setting IMHO..." To three star your equal, TH10 is too hard. TH 4-7 is too easy.
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This is not an answer!:facepalm: My clan has a lot of practice with these strategies, and we three star always all th9s (no exaggeration) and this is boring! And because I don't want that attack the same th Level is boring SC should change it!:unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by TullSadum
But I think so, because it's too easy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiating
Actually we had a discussion without real arguments against my proposition. So has anyone any or do you all agree?
I disagree. TH9 is well balanced, defence versus offence. So it breaks down for all maxed TH9s? If you are maxed TH9, and it is easy, you are overdue for TH10. If three starring TH10 mirrors becomes easy, please show me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian99
In my clan, the seven TH9s, ranging from late TH8 strength to near maxed TH9, all struggle to reliably two star their equals (generally it is not required to attack your equal), 3 starring their equals well less than half the time. We have few who study attack styles carefully, but I think TH9 is fine as it is.
Your th9s struggle to get two stars at equal th9s???:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: Sorry but with such people I can't discuss about war.Quote:
Originally Posted by George1971
And two other points I am middle th9 and yes most of my clan are maxed th9s but they shouldn't be punished for this
Struggle to get three stars. Have to work appropriately hard to get two. Two is the usual, three maybe 25% of the time. Failed hogs or lavaloon may get only one. Confusing the matter is that TH10 spare attacks take some of the TH9s, we usually win by everybody but the top 3-4 sliding down the ranks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian99
Maybe we are not very good, but my important point is that our matched enemy TH9s usually fail to three star our TH9s, on both first and subsequent attacks. I think this clearly means that we are no so peculiarly bad.
Your argument is similar to maxed TH7s stating that they three star every time, that there is not enough challenge. The answer is to upgrade the TH to the next level.
My apologies, I did say "TH9, all struggle to reliably two star their equals"
To try to explain: Any decent TH9 can two star a TH9 with GoWiPe. However, everyone tries to three star, as required. Three starring is harder, and high risk with respect to failing to even get the second star, particularly attack strategies with reliance on hogs or balloons as they pass by the town hall.
look for example this matchup:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWGDg6eDbMothere also everyone gets three starred from th9s and it's even before the update
(I took this because you can't say that my clan isn't on this niveau, because you can see it in second 16 ( the red line), actually we have at the moment again war again a&b and we three star 1/3 or 1/2 of their this with the first hit
one hour ago we won gain against a&bQuote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian99
At the top end of the war community every single th9 is 3 starred. If you or your clan doesnt 3 star every th9, then its skill not balance at work. Id like to see a defensive buff to th9 but to be honest i think the reason SC has ruined the th9 sweet spot for war, is so the max th9 war community will move on to th10. More gems spent upgrading/boosting/hero time. Probably not going to happen. Th10 will be the new sweet spot for elite 3 star raids. It's almost there now.
My problem is I'm really not maxed, and I think at every th level, there should be more balance, at the moment I think th10 has the bestQuote:
Originally Posted by Butthax
I believe this is a minority problem. Trying to add more defenses to town hall 9s with make them unbalanced and overpowered in defense. I am sure there are plenty of clans out there not 3 starring every town hall 9 in wars.
So you say SC doesn't care about the top players? actually they even didn't helped the less good players too, they will alway attack with go wipe and never three starQuote:
Originally Posted by Deadtoast15
No response means everyone agrees?:smirk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian99
No response probably means everybody thinks you are so wrong about balance at TH9 they just don't want to bother arguing with you anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian99
Max, I'm sorry, but what is the incentive for Supercell, to make TH9 the sweet spot (again) for clan wars?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian99
It's not easy for most I would say. Learning new TH9 war attack strategies takes time, and they are much more complicated than TH8. You have to monitor several things at once sometimes.
If you want a challenge, upgrade.
The vast majority of people care much more that they lose a ton of loot now and can't progress in the game. They only maybe once or twice a day. Supercell cares about the elite war community at TH9, but there's frankly not a ton of gemmers in that group (they raid and farm a lot too), which means they aren't helping the bottom line of the company. Raiding 12 times a day, yes, you probably aren't losing loot in the new world, and in fact, are probably ahead.
To be blunt, the tone of your posts comes off as arrogant, so I can see why most people stopped replying. The game has bigger problems than worrying about wars being too easy for people with lvl 30 heroes, lvl 10 walls, and max defenses.
I play the game primarily because I love clan wars too, but this is just silly whining. You have a method by which you can challenge yourself again. Casual players have no such method of progressing again, aside from playing a ton more, which they likely won't.
TH9 has become too easy, but they should leave it as it is. In the earlier levels of the game, offense should be stronger than defense. The perfect balance / challenge should be at the "end game", which is TH10 and TH11. That is what they should work on.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregenstein