War has become a snooze fest at th9

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Originally Posted by RealSanta

Unfortunately, you can't do th9.5 after the update. Without the infernos u will get massacred. And saving elixir for these updates is gonna be too much work. Good luck bro!

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Not true I'm fine as th9.5 and FYI u can massacre th10s with the extra spell and camp space

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Originally Posted by IDBGOD28

Nothing is guaranteed, but 3s on all 9s by any semi-compotent war clan should be. The truth is that regular war matchmaking is pretty unbalanced in general. Very rarely do you ever get a 100% fair match. It is likley to be outclassed by 1-2 uppers, or you have a few extra lowers, or overall you or your opponents heroes just outclass you/them in general.

Finding a good war clan in war matchmaking is about the same as finding a good clanmate on global. Most are not very good/average so the likelihood of getting paired with strong clans able to wipe all 9s every war would be small, hence your war record experience. Though as you progress higher to more max bases your average war matchup will increase, and thus the likelihood of finding a decent war clan increases.

But start doing arranged wars against good clans and see what happens. All 9s will be 3D, likely some 10s/11s as well. There's a reason why many prefer arranged wars/scrims. The challenge is better and it is better balanced. SC war matchmaking has always been a joke.

The fact still remains, Th9s are easy to 3 (even more easy with this update). In regards to the OP's initial post, I can see why he finds war at th9 a snoozefest. There just isn't much challenge anymore.

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"Nothing is guaranteed, but 3s on all 9s by any semi-compotent war clan should be."

You didn't get any more reassurance as to why this is the case other than restating what you already stated.

Is there some sort of statistics showing this? Or perhaps your standard is higher than what the norm is? Not everyone can be as great as you, or find things as easy as you. Perhaps you're just really good.

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Originally Posted by CuckooKeel

Not true I'm fine as th9.5 and FYI u can massacre th10s with the extra spell and camp space

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Sure, you can attack other Th10's well, but without infernos you are going to get destroyed on defense (not in wars, where the matchmaking somewhat evens out, but in regular day to day farming or trophy pushing.)

Sorry but this sounds half like a bragging post to me. I'm TH11 with maxed heroes in Titan, so it doesn't apply to me, but I have some intelligent attackers in my clan with lower level heroes who often miss that third star.

Making out that everyone who doesn't is an idiot makes you look rather elitist.

It's a long road from a fresh TH9 to a maxed one. Spare a thought for others less wonderful than yourself, please. I think the casuals have had quite enough of a beating recently, don't you?

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Originally Posted by Palanthian

Sorry but this sounds half like a bragging post to me. I'm TH11 with maxed heroes in Titan, so it doesn't apply to me, but I have some intelligent attackers in my clan with lower level heroes who often miss that third star.

Making out that everyone who doesn't is an idiot makes you look rather elitist.

It's a long road from a fresh TH9 to a maxed one. Spare a thought for others less wonderful than yourself, please. I think the casuals have had quite enough of a beating recently, don't you?

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Hmm, this warrants a response. My goal is to show the effects of the recent change. We have faced several clans since the update as we war 3x a week. Two of our opponents were skilled and wiped all our th9, the rest weren't. I think a lot of that has to do with the age of the attacker. Adults and older teens (like ages 15+) are going to have an easier time wiping at th9 than younger players. So I think there is validity to what supercell is doing. I'm just not in their target demographic.

ive watched all the YouTube vids on th9 strats and have spent time learning to execute them. I don't always succeed, and our other clan members don't always succeed either. The issue is the frequency of failure has been reduced by the changes implemented. So we are nearly always wiping all of our th9 opponents with attacks to spare. We are a th9 clan for the most part. We have some th8 but only one th10 at the moment. Good or bad, it's just our experience.

Another poster mentioned setting up an arranged war. This is one of those game-saving features that I wish supercell would implement. Having wars against skilled opponents is more fun. I would stay for that for sure. Our current ratio of skilled war opponent to gowipe-only clans seems to be 1:8 ish. Again, that's just too much of a snooze fest. It sucks for everyone.

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Originally Posted by CnConrad

Funny, we have NEVER had all of our 9's 3 starred.

Thats not a single time in our 196-36-6 record.

Seems like you are blowing this out of proportion.

If not feel free to try to organize a war with us, you will have a war where you don't 3 every th 9.

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This made me smile. Thanks man!:)




I'm a fairly new TH9 (month or 2) and had high expectations for TH9 to be more challenging in war, but the update pretty much killed that hope. I'm already 3 starring high-mid TH9s with heros at 10/5. Defending most attacks with no XB and TH8 level defenses. Where's the incentive to keep upgrading?

TH9 truly has become the new TH8.

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Originally Posted by nubulator

"Nothing is guaranteed, but 3s on all 9s by any semi-compotent war clan should be."

You didn't get any more reassurance as to why this is the case other than restating what you already stated.

Is there some sort of statistics showing this? Or perhaps your standard is higher than what the norm is? Not everyone can be as great as you, or find things as easy as you. Perhaps you're just really good.

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I wouldn't say my standard is any higher than any average 150+ win war clan. Nor would I say I am "really good."

Well developed 9s with 20+ royals should be able to 3 any 9 (maxed or otherwise) with a goho or golaloon style attack. Goho with 20s vs th9s is about the same pace of ease as mass drags at th7. They simply do not have a chance if you understand basic war principals and funneling dynamics. Higher heroes means your margin for error is greater. 30s at th9 steam roll. If a th10 can't clean a th9 then they are just not good at all.

Statistics are irrelevent. Any good war clan here who understands the war metagame would say the same...and judging by most that have commented in this thread it would seem they do as well.

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Originally Posted by IDBGOD28

I wouldn't say my standard is any higher than any average 150+ win war clan. Nor would I say I am "really good."

Well developed 9s with 20+ royals should be able to 3 any 9 (maxed or otherwise) with a goho or golaloon style attack. Goho with 20s vs th9s is about the same pace of ease as mass drags at th7. They simply do not have a chance if you understand basic war principals and funneling dynamics. Higher heroes means your margin for error is greater. 30s at th9 steam roll. If a th10 can't clean a th9 then they are just not good at all.

Statistics are irrelevent. Any good war clan here who understands the war metagame would say the same...and judging by most that have commented in this thread it would seem they do as well.

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"is about the same pace of ease as"

Not even close. You could close your eyes at TH7 with mass drags and three star. You probably only need to pay attention to about 15% of the battle. You have to pay attention the majority of most TH9 battles.

"any good war clan here who understands...". Ok, there it is, a "good war clan". What standard do you put on what makes a "good war clan". Is it the top 10% of the clans out there? Is it clans who have over a 50% w/L ratio?

If there are clans who are 90-0, all those wins are losses to someone else.

We are about 170-40 ourselves, and most wars we are 3 starring all TH9's. But the people in our clan who are three starring are not doing so consistently, every single attack no matter what.

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Originally Posted by EmporerToilet

Hmm, this warrants a response. My goal is to show the effects of the recent change. We have faced several clans since the update as we war 3x a week. Two of our opponents were skilled and wiped all our th9, the rest weren't. I think a lot of that has to do with the age of the attacker. Adults and older teens (like ages 15+) are going to have an easier time wiping at th9 than younger players. So I think there is validity to what supercell is doing. I'm just not in their target demographic.

ive watched all the YouTube vids on th9 strats and have spent time learning to execute them. I don't always succeed, and our other clan members don't always succeed either. The issue is the frequency of failure has been reduced by the changes implemented. So we are nearly always wiping all of our th9 opponents with attacks to spare. We are a th9 clan for the most part. We have some th8 but only one th10 at the moment. Good or bad, it's just our experience.

Another poster mentioned setting up an arranged war. This is one of those game-saving features that I wish supercell would implement. Having wars against skilled opponents is more fun. I would stay for that for sure. Our current ratio of skilled war opponent to gowipe-only clans seems to be 1:8 ish. Again, that's just too much of a snooze fest. It sucks for everyone.

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Spot on TC.

I never intended this to turn into an elitist thread. My initial posts may have come off harsh but I'm sorry as it stands th9s are very easy to 3. SC doesn't know how to properly balance their game at all and you can see this at nearly all th levels. War is also a mess due to bunnies and just bad matchups in general.

Definitely encourage people to try out arranged wars though it does take quite some coordination between clans and clanmates to work.

You could be a hardcore player and war at TH9. But now for them it isn't a big challenge any more. They could go up and become a starting TH10, but it's not a good time to be a new TH10. They are stuck at a weak TH10 or a boring TH9.

It's not an elitist thing. It's the hardcore players saying this updates sucks in more ways than loot problems.