Nah, not havin this, I have no XB's and I often get matched with mirrors with lvl2&3 XB's, and they usually have other similar lvl defences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolex
For the record and I'm not sure this is of any use, my Gold figure was 12k and my mirror was 12.8k in the situation above.
The weight of walls has been buffed a lot IMO.
How to see war weight
First, this thread is awesome. Thank you for all the education.
Second, I was just in a war with someone who really knows the offensive values. A TH7 had no walls, one L1 cannon, and 1000 war weight. His troops and spells were
4- balloons and lightning
3- barbarians, archers, giants, goblins,
2- wb, heal, and rage
1- wizard, healer, dragon, minions, and hogs.
There was an identical second attack, but heal was only lev 1 ;)
Third. before I do it, I want to get feedback, but here is my thought. What if we started several new threads where people posted the defense/offense of clan mates and war weight. I was going to make like 10 accounts to check out some of the things being reported, but that seems like too much work. If people will post all the defenses, troops, spells, heroes, and traps of them and their clan mates, I'll put the information in a spreadsheet and then we can really figure what makes the differences. Each thread could be for a specific TH. I started one defenseless account, but I built a bunch of walls AND upgraded my wiz to 2 at the same time, so not sure what caused the tic up to 2000, but I'd love to figure it out. TH8-11 have more buildings so I'm less interested in comparing them at the moment. I was thinking one thread for each TH3-7. I tried tracking opponents bases, but I can never be sure what traps they have, so having people report on clan mates would be simpler. Anyone game?
I can confirm 250 new level 2 walls gave me 3k extra in weight.
Upgraded or researched nothing else.
This was on my defenseless base. It jumped from 6k to 9k.
each defense doesnt have the same weight when you add at 1Kwar weight, 40k warweight or 80k war weightQuote:
Originally Posted by SteveOTheValks
Thanks a lot for this thread.
I agree that it is elusive. It is also approximate, because maybe the other clan doesn't have a base whose defense weight exactly matches your offense weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by blombardo
To me that is pretty definitive evidence. But how do you differentiate between the research or barracks upgrade creating the increase vs one of these random unexplained increases from supercell tweaking things behind the scenes? Have you checked the valk unlock on multiple accounts? Do you have an explanation for the nodef bases out there with super low gold offered?Quote:
Originally Posted by blombardo
It is logical and reasonable to not count troops that only add a little bit of value in war. If dragons give 1k and goblins add 0.001k, there is no real point in even counting goblins.Quote:
Originally Posted by blombardo
The real reason I'm posting is because I have been thinking a lot about offensive war weight and its role in matchmaking. I am convinced that offense counts nontrivially, more than shows up in the gold storage weight on the war map, which I have (until your evidence above) considered defensive only.
Someone a few pages back posted a comparison of their mismatches with and without a bunch of defenseless bases, showing that including a bunch of defenseless increased mismatches, where mismatch is defined as "enemy clan's defense is way higher than mine". This is consistent with offense weight counting approximately as much as defense. A clan of identical bases with TH8 defense and TH10 offense won't match up against a clan that averages TH8, they'll match against a clan that averages TH9.
My clan family does wars with mostly TH9 and a few TH10, and mismatches where we're outnumbered by infernos or eagles impact us a lot, making a big impact on our ability to 3 star. Fortunately clans with tons of rushed bases tend to be bad attackers, but this is still something that I want to do something about. I think we see mismatches because we have relatively few rushed bases, and a few low-def high-off bases like .5 or minimax.
I've started a new alt with the intention of rushing defense but adding inferno and eagle, with the endgame goal of having a strong defensive value with an engineered-to-be-low offensive war weight. Without a lot of info about what actually constitutes offensive war weight, I'll minimize it by unlocking and upgrading as few troops as possible, while still maintaining a high end war attack. Fortunately, dragons are newly viable at TH10, so my tentative plan is to base my endgame offense around them. (We'll see if they have been nerfed by the time I get to TH10, lol.) I'll slightly mitigate the weight of the high end defenses by omitting mortars and wiz towers, which are not super important at TH10+ anyway. On the way to TH10 it might be minimax or rushed, or both. I might add xbows at the very end because I can see how having 4 max xbows can mess up a queen walk.
Realistically this is silly. I'm not going to gem it to TH11 and by the time it grows there, my clan makeup might be completely different. But it's fun to have a long term plan and to build something that nobody else is building.
Edit: and now with the From The Developer news about war weight changes, my strategy might be obsolete. Good thing he's still only TH4.
Nice thread. I have a TH6 account. Only has cannons, air defenses, traps and walls. Once I upgrade to TH7, I'll try to provide some help..:thumbsup:
MY RESPONSE=- yes going to end game levels with end game units will be punished by the dev's because - once again - they want us to play the game -the way that they think we should play it..Quote:
Originally Posted by littledoctor
Hopefully this update will have a positive impact on war matching... I'll miss the 45 wars - 40 is too small and 50 too hard to maintain without bigger clans...
-UPDATES:
unlocking level 1 witches - and upgrading to level 3 -zero weight. If witches have any weight at all it would be at lvl2; which I wont be testing anytime soon.
-Upgrading Lava hound to level3 = also no weight.
This makes using LavaLoon armies the lowest possible weight of all the army compositions in the game... short of GiBarch which has basically no weight...
Pls tell meQuote:
Originally Posted by kevs926
you continue to do wrong math... u say NO WEIGHT when the weight added it's for sure less than 1000 points and not enought considering the weight before to pass to the "1000" after... if your base weight 53200 and whiches added to it 600 points, you consider it 0 weight becouse gold is 53000 as before... but it's wrong. the whiches weighted 600 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by blombardo
in the same way, you say 1000 points each time something takes the weight up of 1000 points... so if u had 53900 points and u upgrade a cannon that let's say will give u 100 points, your gold will become 54k and u decide that upgrade valued 1k... or make things well or avoid to make them...
I've been sitting at the same war weight on a couple accounts for EIGHT MONTHS...Quote:
Originally Posted by peterpaiter
Every upgrade I do on those accounts -- may - have - some - weight... but guess what -- its not showing up... Therefore - I can honestly say NO WEIGHT for them...
With witches - lava hounds - etc -- I've upgraded them on no less than 8 test accounts so far; zero new weight on all of them... Hypothetical - if some of these items have 'some' weight (which they may) - you would THINK that on a test of 8 accounts - at least ONE would jump up in weight... yet none yet...
Sure its a small sample size... I'll be sure to update you after I've finished testing it 20 or 25 more times... -- which is something I will continue to do on various other test accounts throughout the next half a year...
If my human eyes can detect zero change in war weight after upgrades -- then as far as this experiment goes -- ZERO WEIGHT IS ADDED...
Until you - or someone else - finds a way to actually mathmatically explain the weight increases... then this info that I've provided is still - currently - the best set of VALID info available anywhere.
I can not explain why adding a new air defense adds zero weight - sometimes -- but 1k others... -- other than to refer everyone to the recent changes to th6/7 with a third air def being unlocked early... supercell seems to have fudged the numbers and created another secret Tiered weight range... All we can do is realize- that Air def MAY add 1k - or it may not... but generally 1k per upgrade is as close as we can guess at this time...
Same with Wiz towers... 3k at th6 - 1500 at th9 /10 ... who knows what at 11 as I didnt test it...
The point of this topic is to help people realize - which defenses and offenses hold a greater impact in the eyes of the developers... so we can upgrade intelligently.
I've tested my 'no weights' -- EVERYTHING that I have listed as having zero weight - is being added to defenseless accounts... And guess what?
Town hall 8 and 9 now -- with ALL the things unlocked that have 'zero weight' -- and guess what... I still have only 1k war weight because - i only have the one - level 1 cannon --
If all these things combined equal less than 1000 --- then they must really way a LOT less.. like 5 points or something... because im getting ZERO weight added when doing them ALL - combined - together on one account...
Now this is great for me; but to publicly post this where sypercell devs can see it.. may lead to them changing it and ruining my experiment... I hope not... They've already messed up a lot of other things since I started 14 months ago...
It would be nice if supercell would - publicly - release their match making system numbers for the world to see - all the weights and algorithms.. would be nice to see (in game) - 'upgrading this will add X weight to your account) written in fine print under the details of every upgrade...
Would also be nice if it was a standard simple system with no sliding scales- no tiered effects and no mystery tweaks...
But thats asking too much... I mean.. only a company like Blizzard is smart enough to release data like that to help their gamers understand the numbers... and we all know Supercell can't compete against Blizzard entertainment... (can they?) -- not judging from the pitiful ai that this game has... ♥♥♥♥... no armory - nothing...
Ash youtuber said offensive weight does not add war weight, and war weight is not equal to cw mm weight
i've given you a mathematical way to calculate the war weight of each item. u need a serie of disequations(check my last answer before the one u answered to)
you want another way to, could be easier? let's start from the fact that walls values little weight and that there are a lot of them. take a base, just add walls till you reach 1000, 2000, 3000 points, to be sure that with those walls you've 1000, 2000, 3000 points with let's say a mistake of 50 points. than add a tot of defences of 1 kind to get near to 2000 points. than add walls till you reach 2000 points. becouse from the first calculation u knew the war weight of walls, u can substract the war weight of the last walls u did and calculate the war weight quite precise of that defence. so if walls are 50 points each lets say, you'll need 20 to reach 1000 points of walls. if WT are 450 each(let's consider all level 1 for simplicity for now) if you add 2 of them you reach 2000 points, still you war weight will look like 1000 points. but if u add 2 walls war weight will reach 2000 points. so u know that removing weight of the 20 walls of the first time and of the 2 walls u added the second time, u get that the weight of the 2 WT must be 900 together, 450 each. if u want we can work on this together and i'll help u to do things well, but we need to do things well, not casually.
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Originally Posted by blombardo
Problem is, wall have 0 weight i think
U can try upgrade 250 walls lvl 1 to lvl 10 and ur war weight no change at all
Say, ur base is 6k gold 6k eli, upgrade all wall lvl 1 to lvl 5, still 6k gold, 6k eli
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Originally Posted by kevs926
I have shown proof that offensive items DO add war weight.
Dragons -
Perfect example.. every level of dragon you unlock and upgrade- adds 1k weight..
Offensive weights are overly low - most have no visable impact from upgrade to upgrade...but some DO show war weight.
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Regarding WALL weights..
I had one account -that only did wall upgrades...
I did 10 walls - 20 walls - 50 walls -100 walls - eventually all the walls -- then started upgrading SOMe then some MORE then some MORE.. and i could never really nail down any weights - it was soo insignificant that it was a waste of my time and I stopped bothering with it...
All I can say - is buying a TON of htem - and upgrading them all 5 or 6 times - will show some weight... how much? I dont know - but its LESS than one wiz or mortar... So in the grand scheme of things - walls are a no brainer to upgrade...
Does it increase my war weight?
I am following the TH8.5 Path.
Don't listen to OP, he has no clue, and a whole thread is a pile of misinformation.
And it's not just my opinion - it was officially confirmed by Supercell.
Some Information Behind War Matchmaking & Upgrading Optimization
P.S. I was telling him that he was losing wars for a reason, but he preferred to stay ignorant.
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Originally Posted by rhymquimghyf
I tried being polite to you Rhym.. i give up.. your just wrong... FYI I posted an updated version of my clan war log -- 107 wins 7 losses now -- HALF OF OUR WARS are PERFECT max stars... Most of the others are missing 1 or 2...
To rub some salt into the wound Rhym- GUESS WHAT I DO WHEN WE LOOSE A WAR?-- I kick out the top 5 players - and put MY OWN - RUSHED / HYBRID ACCOUNTS - on the TOP of the war map... -- THEN WE WIN.... every time... - we only loose when I allow certain other players to hold the top few spots... -and only when supercell mis matches us by 15 to 25k weight in the top bases... I personally dont want to war with a bunch of accounts every day... so I slowly remove my accounts one at a time each war as the 'new' players prove they have skills...
Everyone in my clan is following my upgrade advice - This topic alone has recruited quite a few new members into my clan... Smart players who GET IT... and who 6 star every war - much higher than 'mirror'...
My clans overall success in war -- has gone UP UP UP higher and higher - and we have 30 out of 45 members in war - every war- following my advice... THE ONLY loss we have had in the past 18 wars - has been due to ONE fluke on supercells part - where we got a mis match enemy 1- that was 21k heavier than us - and =with my #5 on the war map hybrid account - we still got 2 star 66% on it... it was US 1 shy of perfect vs THEM at perfect...
Once my accounts have had time to skew my upgrade method even more extremely - I guarantee we will win every war we are given - GUARANTEE it... -- if we dont 'win' it will be a tie- perfect vs perfect... because - (this hurts you = i know)- My info - and advice is RIGHT ON THE MONEY.
The only reason I can think of for you continuing to complain about my topic.. is either
1: - you really dont get it.. and are clueless
2:- you dont want the rest of the gaming community to know these tricks; because your afraid supercell may tweak things and end this from being viable
3:= your past research - (which was not nearly as detailed or thorough as mine ) gave you a different result - and you are bullheaded and refuse to see that - I'm right... - BRING YOUR ACCOUNT OVER TO MY WAR CLAN- i'LL PROVE THAT i'M RIGHT..
Now -- I love ash... I watch his stuff- follow his advice - I imagine he has some inside scoop into the game design... - but there are some things - that he said -- that are -- WRONG...
FLAT OUT WRONG... -and I've seen proof in game - that he is WRONG... at least on a few points;
(And I welcome the almighty Ash to reply here; would be honored... )
QUOTE FROM ASH:
Upgrading a troop, for example, will not provide you any additional standing or rank on the map.
RESPONSE FROM ME:
Example 1 that proves he is WRONG:
TWO identical accounts - 100% the same... in every way - except:
One has dragons... one does not -
Dragons -- add weight - unlocking a dragon on one account - will add 1k GOLD to your account -- and - your dragon account will appear HIGHER ON THE RANKING than the other account!!
Example 2 that proves he is WRONG:
-Two identical accounts - one has bigger camps - and a higher castle -
The one with more attack power - (offensive strength) -- Will appear higher on the map!
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QUOTE FROM ASH:
There is no denying that if you hold off on building heavy defensive buildings your war weight will smaller. But if you instead focus on offense you’ll still be gaining weight and at the end of the day you may be robbing Peter to pay Paul. Essentially, you’ll have a huge edge when attacking bases one town hall below you (9.5 attacking a 9, for example) but your “true mirror” won’t be a Town Hall 9 but rather there will be a good shot it will be a Town Hall 10. So the trade off is providing a better chance to 3 star lower on the map but setting your clan up with a disadvantage when it comes to the most important defensive units that can stop 3 star attacks.
RESPONSE FROM ME:
-my hybrid accounts will not be attacking lower on the map.. they will be attacking 10 or 15 slots higher - giving away an easy 3 star loss to the enemy low level players in exchange for earning a 3 star win vs the enemy strongest...
QUOTE FROM ASH:
What about the defenseless bases?
RESPONSE FROM ME:
Lets look at my defenseless... a town hall NINE - - with a town hall FIVER mirror.. -that th5 player is most likely a noob.. he will not be able to kill a 30 sclot castle - with a king and queen defending... so - they will have to try a th6 or 7 to kill my little defenseless... wasting an attack in the middle...
MEANWHILE -- My defenseless - with Max LavaLoon - 220 camps -30 castle and full th9 spells... will EASILY 3 star their top th9 #1 base...
Its a No brainer trade off that only helps your clan - a lot.
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Originally Posted by rockz3r
I have held off on unlocking witches -- and lava - for almost 5 months that I could have unlocked them... I recently posted that ZERO WEIGHT was added on my accounts when unlocking them.
I 've tested witches 6 times - each with zero weight
I've tested lava level 1 three times - each with zero weight.
*important note -- unlocking these has also not impacted the mirrors in war at all - nor has it given us any harder enemies on the top - all in all our wars are totally unaffected by unlocking these troops - also un changed by the fact that many of our players are upgrading in a hybrid fashion... our wars just keep getting easier every time.
I will also update the first topic - I've found another 'tiered' / punishment extra weight example to share
Normal barbarian king level 1 will add 2k weight at th7 up with normal weight accounts...
BUT
If you unlock a barbarian king level 1 -- on a totally defenseless account that has only 1k weight (from the 1 cannon) THEN supercell punishes you by adding FOUR thousand weight on that same king.. so a 200% weight increase as punishment for trying to game their system.
I expect the new update will have more 'punishments' like this for things - like the eagle, inferno,xbow - warden and whatever 'high level troops' they deem important...
This 4k king weight has been tested three times now on 3 different defenseless accounts ranging from th7 to th9 when king was unlocked.
He is being a mouthpiece for Supercell in that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by blombardo
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Originally Posted by Ashlain
If he is writing something that is his personal opinion, he prefaces it with
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Originally Posted by Ashlain
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Originally Posted by rhymquimghyf
-You are also being a mouthpiece for supercell if you are implying that supercell themselves are claiming my data to be mis information... I assure you - all my numbers are based on factual upgrades that I have personally done on my own accounts since starting this experiment.
I should also thank you for posting the link to that topic - it is good to learn more --
From that post -- I found a link to another (debated) topic -
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClan...w_war_weights/
This is potential changes to the next version of clash - unconfirmed and heatedly debated... I have no opinion on it...
But - for Rhym and I -- I believe the distinction that must be made --
My research is all based on weights of 50k and below. with hero levels of 10/10 at best... THIS experiment - my accounts - are all providing support to a LOW LEVEL clan... th 3 to 6 is the recruitment goal - some th7 and 8 mirrors show up - and once in a while a mis match throws a th9 or 10 at us...
I've seen MANY complaining that .5 fails... hybrids fail... defenseless accounts are awful...
Those statements are NOT valid for me- as I'm in a lower tiered war...
=MAYBE -- Just MAYBe - if we are talking 100% max accounts - end game playes with 30/30/10 th11 bases- maybe things are different up there... at the 70k plus range that I am not involved with...
My heaviest account is a 10.5 -- at 66k weight... it gets mirrors to easy th9's... with a 20/24/7 warden... i stomp the top of the war map every time with my low weight hybrids...
Thats the only possible thing I can think of that - MAY- change some results from my research to others experiences.
Next time battleday happens, i post my war weight and all my building and lab/barracks unlocks. Then i check if i can breakdown each item with values.
www.3starclashing.com is designed for that. It is not 100% accurate but gives you a general idea of your weight -- as will the brackets listed on page one here - for normal players who max everything...Quote:
Originally Posted by kevs926
My listing of weights - is only valid for a one time upgrade at various levels... There are too many tiers - meaning - that at town hall 7, you can build a few things with zero weight appearing until suddenly 1k will be added to your total weight... (free upgrades) -- some things have weights so low that you won't notice any increases until you have built a few things...
Past updates you were able to test for these and cancel them if weight was added... now you can no longer do this.. so I suggest you use my list - and choose the defenses with the lowest tracked weights that can help you defend the most.
do one upgrade per war - no more than one... ONE research - one barraks upgrade - or one new defense... only one... as each of these could add weight - then check your weight again the next round.
-ALL my accounts are on hold - and I'll be checking weights on them to see if this Bowler update has any effect on existing bases...
Does it increase my war weight?
I am following the TH8.5 Path.
21k gold 21k elix
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3starclashing total: 10566, far from my real one.
I've complained to their contact us section - however their data - is old - and without someone cracking some hidden code in the game once again; the closest you can get to accurate weights is to take your existing weight - and use the numbers in the first topic - to guess what will be added if you do one upgrade at a time...Quote:
Originally Posted by kevs926
Even then - you could fall victim to one of the tiers / non linear hidden weight variations that may make my numbers a little off as well...
You take any of these #'s I have on page 1 -- and try to add them ALL up... - it wont work...
you cant simply say
5 level 1 cannons
plus
5 level 1 archers
plus
4 level 1 air defenses
equals
14k weight...
There could be variations depending on your town hall level - and overall weight bracket...
What you CAN do with the page 1 info --
is look at it and say-- ' Oh, Archers / cannons/ air def and teslas all have close to the same weight?
well if that is the case, -maybe it would be smarter for me to build something that can shoot the sky - AND the ground... instead of something that just shoots at one... The same weight will be applied to your account -but now you can defend against more things...
You can look at see - Oh- wow an xbow is This much vs another Mortar upgrade? So If I choose to skip a mortar or wiz tower upgrade- and buy an xbow instead -- I'll have the same weight? - and one more defense? Maybe I should do that...
Just knowing the basic - average - weights that each thing unlocks - can let you pick and choose exactly what will help you to defend - the most...
Personally - I have bought less than HALF of the defenses available - and those that I have bought, I have left most at level 1... I'm after a specifically engineered war base to be able to attack high for 6 stars - while giving away 3 easy stars on a failed defense... its a good trade... and using my research- each and every new account I build has higher attack power - and lower weight..
If you use the info available - even as vague as it is... it will help.
nothing has changed on my mini but my mini weight 1K more after update
i think BKLV5 + AQLV5 weight 1K more
its a wall less base
Just got to th10 would like to be 9.5 for a while. If I add new walls will it add much weight?
As stated before - I can't figure out the exact weight of walls because its too low of a number... doing a few at a time - on one account - over a month... a few every war.. i saw no weight increases at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by enriquee9499
Got frustrated and about aobut 200 walls on one account in one war - and no weight at all...
bought 225 total and upgraded them all to skulls - got about 4k added total.
So - every wall at th10 levels is about 4k weight once upgraded to skulls... AKA all walls combined is less weight than one mortar or wiz tower... more or less
Keep in mind - if you are a defenseless or minimax with almost NO weight - or much lower weight than you should have... I'm SURE you will be punished with a much higher wall weight than a normal player with normal base upgrades...
Weights all seemed to move a tiny bit... unknown reasons... mostly DOWN 1 or 2k - though a few were un changed... I have NO items that were effected by this rounds 'weight increases' on these accounts apparently.
Any ideas on what EAGLE - INFERNO- XBOW and WARDEN will cost? please post any results if your watching..
I'll have to add 2,5,6,13
#1 unchanged at 55k (th10)
#3 unchanged at 48k (th10)
#4 - down 1k to 43k (th10)
#7 unchanged (th10) 33k
#8 Down 2k to 33k (th9)
#9 DOWN 1k to 33k (th10)
#10 un changed 31k (th9)
#11 un changed 24k (th9)
#12 is DOWN 3k to 22k lower for some unknown reason... th9 hybrid
#14 DOWN 2k - to 25k unknown -th9
#15 DOWN 2k to 26k- unknown -th9
16 - unchanged defenseless th9
17 - unchanged defenseless th8
maxth9 is always 70K
but heroes weight more 1k or 2k
wiztower weight more 1Kor 2k (they have more hp)
probably wall weight less but not sure
-Bowlers - Max level 6 hogs - both are still showing as zero weight when unlocked..
MAX LOONS - which used to be zero weight-- are now showing up as 1k weight (on 2 recent tests)
Also- noticed WALLS on a Defenseless enemy base...
It had one level 8 cannon - and add a full set of th7 walls (on a defenseless mind you)-- guessing at the canons weight and doing the math to guess the wall weight separate --
I would guess that 4k weight is added for walls... (really high punishment weight)- this is up to level 7 purple levels... on a defenseless base
This could be a fluke; hard to replicate these results on any normal base...
Max lightening -- and level 6 archers -- adding 'zero' weight.
Happy base engineering;!
Guy, THE BASE WEIGHT YOU SEE IS DEFENSE ONLY!!!! Of course upgrading troops doesn't change it because offense is not represented in that weight. The position on the map is just to show you the easiest bases to attack defensively. Your offense is another half of your total weight, but you can't see that number. So yes adding troops will not add to your defensive war weight, but adds it when calculating the matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by blombardo
Do lava hound increase war weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Micker99
I've proven that base weight is offense AND defense --Quote:
Originally Posted by Micker99
READ...
-SOME offensive upgrades do add weight -- that you can see in the gold....
It's a fact...
You are wrong...
LOOK AT THE FIRST POST>... quite a few troop upgrades ADD WEIGHt...
But not many;
Did you notice the warden weight after the last update? I went up 3k but I did upgrade some of the new defenses so it might be less.
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Originally Posted by sg333
I have two -(almost) properly upgraded th 10.5 accounts with wardens - their weights have not changed in over 8 months...
I have not met any defenseless/minimax or hybrids with Wardens to ask what happened to them... My own personal defenseless account is about half a year away from unlocking the warden...
-With the exception of 1k extra for the new Max Valks on one account.
-I've also learned - that one of the new' punishments' supercell has put into effect for DEFENSELESS PLAYERS--
Queen level 1 for a normal account is 1k weight
Queen level 1 for a Defenseless (one level 1 cannon and no more) has a SIX THOUSAND PENALTY- 7k total weight for a queen on it...
They really dont want players having full th9 camps/castle/spells AND a queen - with town hall 3 mirrors... (darn it anyway) -- now it will have a town hall FOUR mirror instead... I can live with that.. I suppose a town hall 4 may have a chance to kill me with a low level king and queen... of course once my heroes are up to 10/10 those town hall 4's wont have a chance to kill me... lol
I'll update the first post when I learn more...
Do you know the post-bowler update weight of just the Eagle Artillery?
We can try to deduce it based on the difference between max TH10 and max TH11.
I have seen reports that the initial eagle weight was 4k.
My thought is, I wonder if it would make engineering sense to skip infernos but add an eagle. Could a rushed base be made to weigh like a TH9 but still have an eagle artillery? We have seen reports of near-defenseless with two lev 1 infernos shooting to the high-TH9 range, which is evidence in favor of "this would backfire big time".
Wow very nice
The best place to seek this info would be in MiniMax Savage. That clan was most hurt by the recent update... I imagine they have all these numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by littledoctor
IF we could still CANCEL new construction it would be easy to figure out the weights... without that trick - I personally refuse to risk ruining my accounts with any more tests like this...
I imagine supercell was more interested in preventing us from knowing weights -- than wanting to stop us from 'renting' defenses in clan wars...
Defenseless bases that add a Queen -- will not get a 1k weight increase... they will get a SEVEN thousand weight increase... 6x punishment in weight...
If we use that as a guide -- a defenseless th11 adding a (normally) 6k eagle -- could raise you up as high as 36k points... (bringing you from a th3 mirror to a th7 mirror with just one new defense)
This is just a guess... but I imagine supercell wants to punish people... so it will be a sliding scale based on your current weight -- adjusted by what the game thinks your ACTUAL weight SHOULD be -- with some random punishment to try and bring you closer to that 'proper' weight.
FYI, I found a possible answer. Using http://cocrating.briztimqwo.com/calcdef.php I put in the values for max TH10, plus a single level 1 eagle, and it reported a defense weight of 104k and offense weight of 92k. I am not sure how this calculator relates defense/offense weight to the weight reported by gold storages, but that gives the eagle a possible range of 8k to 14k, by subtracting the max TH10 weight of 90k.
This is plausible, but holy cow, does this make me not want to ever get one of those. :)
I have no clue what that link is that you posted; nothing there but a chat log with people complaining about the site being broken/ calculator down... whichever the case may be-- theres not rhyme or reason to even consider attempting to calculate a separate offense /vs / defense weight -- if such a separation exists in game its impossible to see with human eyes--- and - I've proven -that some offensive things actually appear as gold in the base on war day... So -- offense and defense appear there... as far as any human can tell by looking in game...
-All of our clan accounts - almost 30 out of 50 are hybrids -- every war our attack /offense power goes higher and higher... and our weight stays pretty much the same; minor increases... Every war our matches get easier and easier -- our enemies all stay about the same weight / as they have always been...
So - in essence -- offense upgrades do not bring harder matches... they just let you win easier.
I believe they used a statistical analysis of many different bases across multiple clans. Hardcore.
Supercell says that they take offense into account. Before the March update, it made up 50% of the war weight calculation. Now it is less than 50%. The fact that it did (and does) not make up 50% of the gold offered during battle day is strong evidence that the gold offered during battle day is only an approximation of the actual weight used in war matchmaking. But, clans that do arranged wars use gold offered as their measure, and they do succeed in matching each other, so it is clearly a close approximation (especially now that offense matters less).
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Originally Posted by littledoctor
I've never seen any proof that supercell ever stated in the exact wording those #'s that you quoted. I've seen many players guess; and calculate and hypothesize...
It's true that I dont know - in fact - nobody but staff could know - aside from the one time that the game code was decrypted and players used that info for a temporary weight list (that was also hotly debated)
Supercell simply said that it takes offense into account -- they have never hinted to any number or percentage on any thing; the most specific they have ever been is in the most recent patch where they said they would increase weights on 'high level defense and offensive units' (aka punish a low weight engineered base with really high weights for the xbow/inferno/eagle/and queen /warden)
Generally they - must - ignore 95% of all offensive upgrades... Why else would a level 1 queen have the same weight as a level 12? (I keep looking for weight increases but... none have happened on my queen test account)
-We have 30 accounts out of 50- many are reaching th9 - max level research on many of the offensive troops... those low weight th9's still bring th6 to 8 mirrors -- just as they did when they were weaker on research... Adding offensive power - is NOT increasing their weight in gold -- or bringing any harder enemies on the other side... Every war just gets easier and easier for us to get a perfect on....
The war matches have been relatively even - as our enemies in recent wars have at least had the ability to get a perfect back on us - however - in most cases - the enemy top 2 to 4 are the only ones with strong research - we have almost 30 with strong (max loons/ level 6 archers / high spells/ high dark troops) So i tend to believe that Offense - is about 5 to 10% of weight in match making... If you count HEROES as offense (they are also defense) maybe 15% of weight... certainly not much higher... 85% of the matching system is defense- by my guess.
It was in the From the Dev's Desk prior to the recent matchmaking update:Quote:
Originally Posted by blombardo
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...rs-Matchmaking
At one time I thought that we could estimate offensive war weight by looking at recommended target at the very beginning of battle day, but that is just a guess, and there has been other evidence since then that this is not a very reliable way to even approximate it. And I do completely believe your observations that some offensive changes do affect gold offered.Quote:
Defensive progress will be playing a much bigger role in Clan Wars matchmaking after the update. Previously, the system placed equal weight between offensive (army) and defensive (village) progress, allowing for confusing war matchups between players with relatively over-strong or over-weak defenses. Now, war matchmaking will factor defensive progress much more heavily into every calculation to help to keep War Bases better balanced "in lane."
I only have two accounts where I am attempting to game offensive war weight, and the method is basically the same for both: I'm not unlocking or upgrading troops I don't intend to use. I don't expect this to make much of a difference, but you never know.
if you avoid unlocking dragons -- that saves 1k weight. (max dragons would be 5k total)Quote:
Originally Posted by littledoctor
pekkas add zero weight --
Be0\yond that - minions add no weight - hogs add 2k -sometimes - valks add 1k -sometimes - and the rest of the dark troops all add no weight at all.
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I like how supercell is attempting to stop 'hyper optimized bases' from getting an advantage in war... All my bases are still hyper optimized and doing better every war...
"Additionally, Clan Wars matchmaking has been fitted with new routines aimed at better balancing entire teams, rather than just individual lanes. It will place greater emphasis on matching the top of the war map, and less emphasis on matching the bottom."
-In other words -- all those town hall 10 defenseless bases hovering on the bottom.. with 240 camps 35 castle and all max troops... -- will not count much in yur war match; ♥♥♥♥ .. awesome... for me (and anyone else using that trick)
I hesitate to even talk about this anymore in the forums; if too many people do this then supercell will surely continue to try and break our awesome system of winning...
-Minor update; adding an inferno tower to a lower than should be account (38k weight th10= matching to a th7 in war) -will add 13k weight - bringing it up to mid th8 mirrors instead of th7.
I just faced a base that was a TH11. It had all pink walls, level 10 archer towers, level 11 cannons(one level 10),level 6 wizard towers(one level 5), level 2 xbows, level 1 and 2 infernos, level 7 mortars, level 6 ADs, Level 9AQ and level 6 KING!! and level 6 teslas, but he had a Level 1 Eagle. His base weight was 101k!!!!!!
My TH11 base has level 12/13 ATs/cannons, level 7/8 mortars, level 7/8 wizard towers, level 3/4 infernos, Max ADs/teslas, Level 3 xbows, max heroes/GW, Lego/lava walls, but I didn't build the EA, extra Xbow, cannon or wizard tower. My base weight is 89k lol!!
I mean his base was a joke 3 star, took me 1:20sec and he weighs 12k more than me, because he has the EA and extra Xbow/cannon/WT basically. He got 38% on my base. I figured his base would be around mid 80's at the most. Man that EA is HEAVY!! I think it got off one round of shots before I took it out lol.
Minor notes --
Friendly challenge show your weight... so it was convenient to start an upgrade and see your new war weight instantly...
Stupidcell devs CHANGED IT... now weight will not show up until the thing is FINISHED...
They really want you to be screwed after the fact so you can't find the weights and cancel things to engineer your accounts just right...
Follow the #'s on my guide - they are all pretty close still.
Baby Drags -= No weight
Miners - unsure
Skeleton spell - unsure
WARDEN added to a defenseless account - 5k (slightly higher weight as punishment for skipping defenses)
Still havent figured out walls perfectly... town hall 3's first set of walls - at level 10 lava - are still 1k weight... I belive if I add the th4 walls it will add 1k more... Its 6k total for all 275 walls - only took them to level 10 so far... The point I'm making -- is if you are defenseless - build enough walls to surround your cannon - and keep upgrading them... it will NOT add any new weight - and you will NOT waste all that gold...
At TH8 I stopped last canon upgrade to hide war weight , my war weight was 54k
upgraded to th9 bought tesla and AD my ww gone up by 2k , and now with 100skull and 150lvl9 walls , all lvl2 Spring traps my war weight is 58k , don't know that my AQ added the weight or hogs lvl5 or giant lvl6 added that or traps /walls , right now Heroea at 12-12 golem 4 and still 58k
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queen adds 2k weight... not hogs - not giants - not likely walls - Walls are 6k total but when that weight actually gets added is still a mystery... seems to be at the points when throwing down new level 1 walls between town hall upgrades.
-so it looks like my #'s are working for you Sarb. 1k for tesla 1k for AD... etc.
What current examples can you offer of a defenseless account with walls showing the weight of the account. I'm interested in your claim that walls are weightless up to a point. I'd like to add walls to my defenseless but I'm at 23k already with royals weight alone and I'm not sure where I'll be when my royals max out.Quote:
Originally Posted by blombardo
I'm surprised to see you even bother mentioning that baby dragons are weightless. I've never witnessed an increase in defensive weight due to any troops or any army building whatsoever.
Valks - witches and dragons used to all increase weight. now just dragons do.
Watch next time you unlock them.. level 1 drag -1k -- and every level after 1k more
level 6 loons adds 1k as well -
there are a few points where offense adds weight... not many though...
Level 7 lightening will add 1k - there are a few im missing.. see the first page...
Nightmare 16 and 17 both have -some- walls as defenseless accounts. we've fought many clans with defenseless and walls - various quantities and i always check weights... I'm 100% sure that the original town hall 3 walls will add zero weight to a defenseless build. I've bought them all - on 2 accounts - and upgraded most to th9 max levels.
they are usually parked in nightmareguild2 - though i loan them out to different clans to fill spaces for 50x wars.. so they hop in and out.
I have not purchased the first th4 wall yet.. i believe that one new wall section will increase me by 1k more
walls - all of them -- are 6k total.
the first 25 walls add no weight -- the 26th wall?.. dont know.. maybe maybe not... untested you can see this easy by looking at any th3 in war... 2 cannos - 1 archer and some walls is still 1k total weight...
so you can add a few more things before you get that weight increase.. the first 'hidden' tier of the game.. there are many more tiers and free upgrades in various other places - plus magical weight losses and discounts as you upgrade town halls
I have 2 accounts that are defenseless th9 with no royals and each has baby dragons unlocked and both have level 3 dragons and they each weigh 1k in total. I'll post screenshots in a couple hours.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ack%20Base.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...%20Profile.jpg
This base weighs 1k. I verified it a few hours ago. Dragons do not carry any defensive weight.
Thanks for adding that info -Quote:
Originally Posted by Shunyata
*you should be able to safely add the first 25 walls with no weight as well... I'll be adding the 26th on my next farming session since my first 25 are all max now...
Dragons-
I have tested it - twenty times - my clan members have also verified it over 15 more times... it carries weight - on normal accounts.
I will test it on a defenseless and see what happens - there are odd tiers and sometimes weights fluctuate. AND supercell changes and tweaks things all the time. Maybe they have modified the dragon weights; maybe you got lucky since you had zero walls and no royals... and you have not reached the point of the tier system where yu've added enough to get more weight.
Most recently supercell decided to hide the weight increases - they no longer appear instantly when paid for - they appear when completed now... I really dislike their attitudes on this.. wish they would just publish all the details for the world to see.
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Freeze level 1 to 5 has zero weight
Miners level 1 to 4 add zero weight
unlocking bowlers adds zero weight. - level 2 in progress but I doubt they will add any either.
Reported by someone today:
Eagle is 15k -- ?
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...31#post7895531
One of my clanmates has a th11 with every single thing max but 0 eagle.
It means max defense/offense, 275 lvl11 walls and 40/40/20 heroes and most lab are max other than miners and few new spell/troops.
He had 94k weight before adding eagle.
Then 109k weight after adding eagle.
So eagle lvl1 weight = 109k - 94k = 15k
Its unbelievable and was a surprise for me. Before that I thought eagle has 8-10k weight.
TH10 max has 90k and th11 max has 110k weight so one lvl1 eagle weight = 75% of all th11 weight!
It obvious that lvl2 eagle has 1k weight.
It also proved that maxing existing defenses should be done before installing new defenses because new lvl1 defenses has more than 90% of fully max def
So for example if you have 5 archer tower in the start of th10 it is wise to max them first before adding 6th and 7th
How much weight does a warden and bowler add?Quote:
Originally Posted by blombardo
And what's better? A defenseless th11 or a 9.5 with warden and max teslas?
um...Quote:
Originally Posted by athancoreextreme
Page 1 shows warden being zero weight - but after updates weight increases by supercell I believe they are 2k == not sure - as I have not added any other wardens besides the two I originally bought...
Grand warden unlock level 1= NO WEIGHT -tested twice
(some claim ZERO weight added through level 5 - but at level 10 1k is added) =https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClans/comments/3z8hj3/ask_what_is_grand_wardens_war_weight/
It may add 2k now = but even if its more than 2k.. wardens ability make it well worth a purchase.. you need them for infernos...
=WALLS = still looking for the first weight tier.. 35 level 9 walls are still not adding any extra weight on my defenseless...
Last tier = walls -205 to 225 adds 1k weight
Not sure about 225 to 275 - or the 36/205 area... still testing those #'s on a few accounts... but generally-- every last wall maxed out is about 6k total.. well worth the cost... specially since Miners make walls 100% useless
Hello, what is the weight of each individual xbow and inferno tower level?
That info is all on page one.. just read it...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTaunt
=the answer changes based on the overall weight of your base. Lighter weighted players (who try to cheat the system) get heavier penalties - meaning those defenses weight a LOT more for them...
Heavier players who max out and mvoe up to th10 and 11 - have reduced weight numbers for those things.
quote:
Inferno -New level one = 3k
Mortar - New level one @th9 = 3000
Xbow - New Level one @th9= 2000
Xbow - New Level one ( = 3k (could have been research dragon lvl4 starting or could have been th10
xbow - New Level one (third test on #5) = 3k - no research starting or ending
xbow - th10 - new level 1 (purchased with 2 infernos at 3k each =) 1k for xbow ?
---The last big update that 'added' weight - may have increased infernos up to 5k -- the Eagle is supposed to be 15k - untested by me but reported by others.
I have a 9.5 base.
Weight: 13600x5 = 68K (Max TH9 is 70K).
Herores: Q28/K27
Teslas: Max TH9
Cannons: Max TH8
Archer Towers: Max TH8
X-Bows: Max TH9
Mortars: Max TH9
Traps: Max TH9
Walls: 250 lvl 10 (lavas)
I already built TH10 traps with no changes in war weight.
Few are already upgrade.
Questions:
- Get the net 25 walls to lvl 10 will add weight?
- Update the 250/275 walls to lvl 11 will add weight?
My goal in this account is 9.5 heroes 35/35/20 with 70K.
I just don't know if I will able to save enough elixir to Warden using TH8/TH9 defenses.
I guess sometime war weight varies , one of my friend upgraded almost all defences at th9 except putting xbows amd canons , (80lavas other Lego) and his war weight was 63k and he added one xbow and it raised war weight to 65k I.e only 2k increase ��
I'm confused now too
Super rock I guess you will get another 1 k on heroes 30-30 , and 1k with all canons and ATs
coz I have found in th8 to th9 upgrading that if we don't upgrade any of last defence (point def) it hides 1k ww
I cant answer the question on the walls.. they could add 1k more at that number- I havent tested that for 5 months now... but its well worth 1k to keep getting walls.. they weigh less than anything else.
-@sarb - we are supposed to be confused.. upgrade numbers are no longer linear - (if they ever were) -- there are TIERS, weight increases, reductions and various other things at various weight and town hall levels that CHANGE the actual weight of all these items - by a small amount.
All we can do is estimate the general cost of one item vs another item = know that some things are heavier and others lighter - have a general idea of what items to skip or focus on... beyond that there is no way to get exact numbers...
Even if supercell released the exact algorithms it would be too complex for any of us to calculate without some software assist.
THEY tried to make war matches easier by streamlining things.. making every max town hall equal 10k increments - more or less that doesnt work so well mathematically... but it allows clans to match via their system.
@sarb - where do you get the idea that 1k more is added at 30k heroes? I'm only up to 24 right now, still no increase from day 1.
I will work on my heroes till 30/30 and leave the rest as is and seen what will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by sarbsandhu
I don't drag a TH10 with infernos, so I don't want pass the 70K score.
I will post results or any changes here.
Hello players. I recently ran across this post and I'm curious in the camps meanings.
65k weight @th11 - (matching against Max th9 - new th10)
Camps: 240+35
Spell slots: 11
Heroes:20/20/5
Golums: 5
Hogs: 5/max
Dragons: 5 (cant 3 star anymore)
Loons: 6 / max
Witches 3
Lava 3
What's the +35 for?
camps plus castle... castle is 35
OK thanks. So is a base with a 65k war weight consist of maxed th8 defenses? Can the same th11 maxed offense not work with even lower maxed th defenses?Quote:
Originally Posted by blombardo
I really don't understand what you are trying to ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdorm0721
The info you posted above- was a simple guide to help a player determine GOALS to be really good in war... Many players rush their defenses too fast - and leave offense too weak to handle the enemies they must clear in war... Using those numbers should be a guide only... you can do whatever you want with your account - its yours -- build one level 1 cannon and max every offensive unit in the game... every clan will love you and your account will do better than any other account at war...
OR upgrade every defense to -whatever- level you see fit to upgrade them to... If you hvae more questions you should probably ask them all in one big pile so you aren't bumping this topic over and over. I dont think you are understanding what you're reading on the first page... and I have no other way to explain it than the way I already did... You're just having me repeat myself.
I am a max th9... with mostly lvl 9 walls and a few lvl 10. I have 2 xbows which are lvl 2. How much weight gets added if I upgrade to lvl 3?
Nobody can answer that question- aside from supercell - or maybe some player I have never met who may claim to know more...
Read this post =
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...e-Grand-Warden
Many smart players have replied... but generally- Weight is not always the same simple X Y Z thing... its impossible to know exactly anything depending on the general choices a player makes every last defense -could - weight a different amount at differrent stages of that base's life.
All you can do is extrapolate = based on the info provided... to know that =at worst - it will not be higher than the highest reported number; and at best - it will likely not be less than the lowest reported #...
If you can always three star players who are 10k heavier than your own personal weight = then it is safe to upgrade one xbow.. and after its finished see the new weight = make sure you can still 3 star above mirror... then maybe do another...
10k minimum; personally if I can not 3 star bases that are 40k heavier I will not upgrade defenses... as a 40/50k player I want to 3 star near max th10 accounts while bringing th8 less as a mirror...
each to their own... depends on how epic you want your clan war log to be.
Just a quick question:
Besides walls (220 Lego's left) and heroes (20/23) I am a totally maxed th9, well actually if it matters my Dark Spell Factory is l3 as Skeleton Spell to me seems useless....
War Weight: 68k
Currently upgrading to 9.5, here's my question.
I have clan mates at 9.5 and they range 69-71k, and the top dude has 30/40 heroes, offensively has almost all th10 troops level 5 freeze....
So ofc gonna add 5th giant bomb and get them to level 4 but will any of the Air Mines Seeking Skele Traps or even DE Drill Elixir Gold Pumps up my weight?
What about upgrading to unlock bowlers and miners?
Tyvm
When you say if you can 3 star 40k heavier isn't that way higher. For example, my base weighs in war at 67k. Would that mean I should be able to 3 star max th10? What is the method you are using to weigh your base? I am using the war-gold method.Quote:
Originally Posted by blombardo
Yes the war gold / or friendly challenge gold... My heaviest accounts are around 65k with full th11 attack power unlocked = max miners /bowlers/ and max everything that support any of those end game raids... so I can (easily) 3 star some strong near max th10's - but I cant cleear th11 base since my heroes are still rather low...
Each of my newer accounts can hit much higher - some can do 55k above mirror - Generally we have 5 accoutns per war that can always 3 star enemy #1 =sometimes we have 15 that can do it...
With smart upgrading - and enough other players in the clan who also upgrade smart - your clan should never get less than 100% destruction; unless the clan you are fighting has 'gamed the system' a lot better than you have...
Most 'maxers' and .5 players struggle just to get 3 stars on mirror weights.. with a solid well thought out upgrade plan you can do much better in war...
See my signature for suggested upgrade paths.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carsonel
Again -- no one can tell you exactly what will be added with X Y or Z defense... that completely depends on your current weight an overall account choices...
All you can do is look at the list I made and have a ballpark idea of which add a lot - vs which add a little..
Bowlers/ miners add zero weight... unlocking them / maxing them... nothing.
I have a similar base that just hit TH11 less than a week ago. I call it an 8.5.5.5; it has the 8.5 structures (everything except xbows), brought to TH10 levels (except sweepers). Was 67k; adding grand warden level 1 brought it to 68k in the next war. (For all I know it was at a tipping point.)Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperR0ck
I am farming with mass bowlers in champs, and my observation is that even a level 1 warden is a game changer in terms of farming ability. I am smashing TH11 for high percentage wins, and when I find a loaded TH10 I 3 star it. Making 450+450+league bonus on each attack makes saving for the warden easy. So far (going to 5 now) I can farm all the elixir needed in a multi hour boost session. I get 3 starred on every defense, but the most they can take from me is about the same as I get back in a big raid, so as long as I have regular boost sessions I foresee no difficulty at all maxing the warden. Until such time as they nerf the bowler.
Once I get miner4, I plan to switch back to using mass miners and focusing on farming DE to finish up my heroes and lab.
Hi sir...I'm currently at th10 max def except for cannon(10's and 11's) and air defense all at lvl7Quote:
Originally Posted by littledoctor
My heroes lvls are 32 king and 40 queen and my war weight is at 88k
I'm upgrading my townhall to lvl11
here's my question, if I only get the warden as soon as the upgrade is finished, would it increase my war weight? ...bcoz I'm planning to be a 10.5
Presumably a little bit. Like I said, my war weight went up 1k when I added the warden.Quote:
Originally Posted by xpk21
Since the warden is so useful, I'd say it is more than worth it. With non-max heroes and TH10 troops I'm smashing TH10 (that use farming layouts, which describes a lot of TH10, even in war.)
absolutely - adding any item that has weight = will increase your weight... hands down... a warden DEFINATELY will add weight... If you add a warden as a lower weight hybrid or defenseles it will increase your weight by a good bit more - than it would if you are a fully developed town hall 10... but either way- yes- weight will be added on a warden...
Once in a while - some various low weighted defenses may only be LESS than 1k total so you will not see weight added until yu've done a few upgrades...
but warden - xbows/ infernos / eagle - all the end game things -will always add weight at every step... and more weight than in the past because supercell is putting heavier weights on them to help 'balance out war matching' blah blah blah... lol
Updating with a few new things; nothing has changed... consolidated the TRAP and WALL sections because I've noticed a pattern across all accounts...
ALL walls maxed out are about 6k
ALL hidden traps maxed out are between 6 and 8k
level 7 loons and level 4 lava /along with all levels of bowler /minors have zero weight.
When supercell adds new thigns they tend to just blur the numbers a little and leave the overall 'max weights per town hall' un changed.
Getting more accurate numbers on the weight reductions per defense is important; supercell does charge higher impacts for a new level 1 item and as it gets upgraded each new level is a reduced number until eventually all upgrades to it add zero weight...
knowing at what point weight will no longer be added is important to know - because then we could choose to completely stkip a particular defense and instead max another to avoid weight gains AND gain higher defense strength.
Anyone willing to share numbers...
please look at:
1 your weight before purchasing the upgrade
2 your weight after purchasing it.
report the details here in a reply... thanks.
This topic is still semi -accurate Post Fall 2016 update -- BUT - there are now some hidden checks and balances behind the scenes that I haven't figured out yet. Using this as a guide will only help you with Visible weight and until more testing is done- you can't rely 100% on this for planning an account.
Supercell has decided to try and stop lopsided bases from having an advantage and has - accidentally - ruined clan war matchmaking in the process. Most clans I've visited have been getting really bad matches that are 100% impossible to win from one side or the other.
Max TH9 is 69000
Not only a necro, you were also incorrect. Max TH9 is 70K.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnowProphet
my village has 500 weight
it has no traps, no walls, just 1 cannon lvl1
troops:
https://www.clashofstats.com/players...JV9VJR/profile
http://i.imgur.com/X9hXrTu.png
my other village has 58k weight
troops heroes
https://www.clashofstats.com/players...89002Q/profile
http://i.imgur.com/IgSuMdG.png
defenses:
http://i.imgur.com/I8782DW.png
Stupidcells upgrades are just that.... lame. The game sucks too!!!