Only the gold is used to calculate weight?
I just read back through and found the post that mentioned using the gold storage capacity to calculate the weight.
I have found that sometimes that does not give the full picture.
For example, there was a max TH9 with max walls that had the same gold and elixir as my base, 13,600. The only difference in weight was the DE capacity as stated in the townhall info. He was at 64 and mine is 62. This is 1/4 the total amount in the actual storage.
In addition, another TH9 that has 40 more lvl 10 walls than me, just passed me in war rank, but our weights are still the same as far as I can calculate according to the 13,600 and 62 on the townhall info.
There are also two TH9's below us with the same weights, one with max valks, the other with lvl 3. But their weights on the townhall are 13,400 and 62.
The only thing they don't have is lvl 6 lightning. Since I add everything together, I calculate the Lightning at 1600 vs. 200, but when they upgrade their lightnings, my bet is their gold and elixir increase 200 each.
I also think it's important to take all storages, elixir and gold.
I calculated an enemy base that had low level storages and the townhall had the gold capacity at 14750, the elixir capacity at 13500, and the DE capacity at 48.
He was a TH9 with only 3 storages each, so I calculated at 84750 for gold and elixir, plus 192 DE = 84942.
However, this was less than the base below him that I calculated at 91376.
What was I missing? He had two low level storages, the gold had 6000, the elixir had 1000.
So I added the 7000 to the 84942 to get 91,942. This is the only way he could have been higher in rank above the 91376 below him.
I think you have to calculate all of them together.
Thought?
Cadet
I think we agree on most, but not the total weight calculations...
I am commenting in blue within Blombardo's quote
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Originally Posted by
blombardo
You missed some important info in the first page...
Weights are rounded off to the nearest 1k. -- so having a few extra - or fewer walls ( which have the lowest weight of anything in the game) - will make no difference...
There is a difference of calculations that we are using, but I can calculate the increase of a lvl 6 lightning spell. It is +200 gold capacity and +200 elixir capacity in the townhall. So, depending on what numbers you add together, this is a 200-1600 increase in weight.
I agree, walls are probably the lowest, but there is still recognizable increase in the DE storage capacity number info on the townhall. Of course, it is a tiny difference, but there is a difference. However, if you only add gold for base weight, you will not see any difference at all.
As quoted from my above post, "there was a max TH9 with max walls that had the same gold and elixir as my base, 13,600. The only difference in weight was the DE capacity as stated in the townhall info. He was at 64 and mine is 62."
Me and the Max walled TH9 were different, by 2 DE and the only difference in our bases was that he had 250 lvl 10 walls, I had 80.
As I also went on to explain, if you don't include all the storages in your calculations, you are not getting the true weight. (See post above explanation about low level storages upgrading on a TH9 base)
Upgrading certain troops - to max - will have zero effect on weight...
That is the precise point I made in the post above. Two Th9's, same exact weight, one with a max valk, the other with lvl 3. No effect on weight.
However, I went on to point out that there is a difference between their weight and mine, and the difference boils down to the lightning spell, because that is the only difference between their bases and mine.
There are SLIDING SCALES
some items have different weights at different town halls.
SOME items have different weights based on the over all weight of the account !
Sometimes you have to buy or upgrade multiple things to notice any increase in weight at all...
Supercell really screwed around with the numbers system to complicate things... you can not get it down to any perfect number / precise info... you can only guess - within 1k of what it will end up as...
I am suggesting and providing evidence, that I think, if combined with your numbers, will get it down to more precise numbers. Don't give up to "you can only guess". You've done way too many calculations to give up.
I'm just trying to point out that one must calculate all the storage's together. It does not appear that you are doing so with your numbers. I think you have a lot of info and numbers that do attribute to the base weight calculations that are extremely helpful. I just think you're missing the total weight, and that could be accounting for why some of your info is not adding up. I also noticed you did not have a weight for lvl 6 lightning and I'm providing that.
We just have to be sure we are using the same calculations.
If you only use gold, you are missing the variables that may be found in the elixir storage's. In my previous post above, the opponent had 1000 elixir in a low level storage. That was the difference in the weight between him and the guy below him. If it were not for that 1000, he would have been below the other guy, not above him. It boiled down to a difference of 566 calculable points.
My calculations for base weights adding all the storages give totals of 45,384 for a TH7 up to 174,872 for a TH11.
Obviously there is still some variables to factor in. For example, the TH9 above me now in war rank, was below me in the previous war. The only thing that changed between us were the number of walls. I had 80, she had just completed 120. Nothing increased in the base weight calculations, she just is above me in war rank.
However, the other Max TH9, had the full 250 lvl 10 walls, and his DE capacity as shown in the townhall, increased by 2. So, a very small number indeed for having 170 more lvl 10 walls than I do. But it's still a number that should be included in base weight.
Here is a Google Sheets with clan war base weight calculations
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QOjJcOpWFUQcmTfLgRssZS2wISgAcymtcVacZlsmxgE/edit?usp=sharing
Cadet
Actually, gold and elixir storages do not always equal
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Originally Posted by
OnyxDS
@MWMartin - the elixir and gold will always be the same. If they look different there is almost certainly a baby storage - which causes the totals in the proper storages to be different. But the total of all gold stores + TH will equal all elix stores + TH.
Actually, they are not always equal, even with baby storages. See my example in Post #81. I will try to summarize here.
Base 1 had 6000 in a baby gold storage and 1000 in a baby elixir storage.
Gold storages and the townhall gold capacity were 14,750
Elixir storages and the townhall elixir capacity were 13,500.
If you add the 3 gold storages = 44250. (I do not add the Townhall number but you can if you want)
If you add the 3 elixir storages = 40500.
The numbers are not equal.
Even if you add the 6000 from the baby gold storage: 6000+44250 = 50250
and add the 1000 elixir from the baby elixir storage: 1000+40500 = 41500
The numbers are still not equal.
So why add just the gold totals?
Certainly the elixir and dark elixir numbers account for something, why not add them to the total?
Base 2 that wasjust below Base 1 was also a TH9 but had proper level storages containing 11400 each gold and elixir.
If I only used the gold calculations Base 1 has 50250 (6000+44250 = 50250) and Base 2 has 45600 (11400 x 4 storages = 45600), with a difference of 4650 between them.
But if you use ALL the numbers, it brings them a lot closer.
Base 1 is then 91,942 (13500*3+14750*3+6000+1000+192de)
Base 2 then has 91,376 (11400*8+176de)
A difference of 566 between them.
Wouldn't adding all the numbers give more accurate data?
Why don't we just add all the storage's?
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Originally Posted by
OnyxDS
The DE value increases in line with gold, but rounds off differently. So as the underlying war weight increases slowly the DE and gold totals tend to jump to the next rounded value at different times. For most possible gold totals are there 2 possible DE totals. You could use this to get a slightly finer-grained war weight if you called a 63k gold total with the higher possible DE a 63.5k. But it's a pain to do and doesn't add a huge amount to the analysis.
Underlying weights, slow increases, jump to next rounded at different times...this all just seems too complicated and I don't like pain, I like easy! :D
Why don't we just add all the totals?
Here's my Max TH9 base with lvl 20 heroes and 80 lvl 10 walls.
Take the total Gold in each storage: 54400 (13,600*4)
Take the total Elixir in each storage: 54400 (13,600*4)
Take the total Darke Elixir in storage: 248
Add them together: 109,048
There ya go, done.
Now calculate the differences between clan mate bases using the 109,048.
I've made the apples to apples comparison and determined a clan mate had a lvl 5 lightning instead of lvl 6 like I have and weighed 107,448 (1600 less).
I've made the apples to apples comparisons and the guy above me that had 250 lvl 10 walls compared to my 80 lvl 10 walls and weighed 109,056 (8 more)
So, again, why don't we just add all the totals?
