War Weight Changes for Clash on TH11 update - December 2015 changes...

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Originally Posted by MWMartin

Actually, they are not always equal, even with baby storages. See my example in Post #81. I will try to summarize here.

Base 1 had 6000 in a baby gold storage and 1000 in a baby elixir storage.

Gold storages and the townhall gold capacity were 14,750
Elixir storages and the townhall elixir capacity were 13,500.

If you add the 3 gold storages = 44250. (I do not add the Townhall number but you can if you want)
If you add the 3 elixir storages = 40500.

The numbers are not equal.

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You have transposed the numbers. The 6000 baby storage goes with the 13500.
One total is therefore: 14750*4 + 1000 = 60k
The other total is therefore: 13500*4 + 6000 = 60k

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Wouldn't adding all the numbers give more accurate data?

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No, because that is not how it works. The in-battle loot is always exactly 1/6 of the win bonus, once you remove any TH and perk adjustments. The gold and elix win bonuses are always exactly the same.

If you plot the DE and gold against each other they increase in direct proportion to each other, barring the rounding error. The actual proportion changes at IIRC 40k. The fact they round off differently can, in theory, give a slightly more detailed into the underlying defence weight from which the gold and DE bonuses are derived, but I doubt it will help much. If you have enough data to solve for all the item weights and final multipliers, the rounding error will probably disappear in the wash.

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Originally Posted by MWMartin

There are also two TH9's below us with the same weights, one with max valks, the other with lvl 3. But their weights on the townhall are 13,400 and 62.

The only thing they don't have is lvl 6 lightning. Since I add everything together, I calculate the Lightning at 1600 vs. 200, but when they upgrade their lightnings, my bet is their gold and elixir increase 200 each.

I also think it's important to take all storages, elixir and gold.

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Just going back to this one... you are mentioning troop levels. These have no impact on the in-battle or war-win bonuses. These are for obvious reasons based on the defensive strength of the base. You don't get a bigger bonus for attacking someone who had stronger troops!

On my mini account, at one time I did an entire TH of offence upgrades (spells, camps, various research) without adding so much as a wall on defence. The gold "war weight" didn't change at all.

Bases can change sequence without the scores changing, because the bonuses are rounded to 1000. There is an underlying weight used for matching and for sequencing on the war list, which is not rounded. We have only an imperfect insight into this because of the rounding to 1000. But small changes to a base can move it up the list without being enough to tip over to the next 1000 bonus.

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Originally Posted by MWMartin

Underlying weights, slow increases, jump to next rounded at different times...this all just seems too complicated and I don't like pain, I like easy! :D

Why don't we just add all the totals?

So, again, why don't we just add all the totals?

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Thats just not how the rest of the clans do it... If you want to arrange wars - you need to calculate weight using the same method that all the big clans use... which is adding GOLD only.



Gold numbers are always rounded to the nearest 1k -- --I have never seen any other result when doing my math. Anyone who has ever showed me a calculation with a (non) rounded number - has been due to error; when one storage was a lower level than the other.


I can not imagine that elixer would ever be different than gold - all the other tutorials i have read stated as much. - i could be wrong... but I have no desire to research this.

I can't see how dark elixer changes in minor amounts could effect things - and frankly for my experiment... I'm content with the numbers I have achieved as a basis for choosing what to upgrade first - vs what to upgrade last. - i could be wrong but I have no way to look into this...



Supercell should publish these numbers as a normal "behind the scenes" thing for everyones benefit - just like Blizzard publishes their calculation systems in world of warcraft (which is FAR more advanced than this game)



If the clash team emulated a lot more of what WOW does; this game would be so much better...

2x lvl1 X-Bow on 38k weight account pushed my account to 47k resulting in 4.5k weight per xbow. (account had 4 teslas, 4 airdefs, traps)

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Originally Posted by Jolex

2x lvl1 X-Bow on 38k weight account pushed my account to 47k resulting in 4.5k weight per xbow. (account had 4 teslas, 4 airdefs, traps)

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That is an extreme number; I have never seen xbow weight that much. I imagine the reason is because 38k is a mid th7 weight - and if you rush to 9 and try to use Xbows (or go to 10 for infernos) I imagine supercell gives out a stiff penalty to those players to insure that their weight goes up to what 'they feel' is a more appropriate number.

47k will match you against max th8 and rushed th9... so at lower levels - Xbows will have much higher weight - and as you reach town hall10 and buy all the other defenses and infernos - supercell must reduce the overall weight of the xbows to a much lower number.

This mysterious tiered weight system must be their way to combat players like us who want to engineer bases that can perform amazingly in war... they dont want us gaming the system.

Great thread; Thought i'd help:


Someone with max TH9 (30/30 heroes, max offense/defense) but with basically all lego walls (give or take 10 lavas) has 13600 showing in storages; I believe fully maxed TH9 is 13800


So 250 Lava walls are worth anywhere between 100-1999 war weight over 250 lego walls depending on how the rounding is done

Need more investigation. Do we have a new chart?

I've noticed a couple of my accounts have magically gained - and lost - 1k war weight a few times over the past few wars... Supercell is messing with the numbers again... (the accounts I reference have had - zero - upgrades and -zer- research - nothing at all done to warrant increases or decreases in weight)

of course 1k isnt really that much in the grand scheme of things; but it should be said -- that Walls are carrying noticable weight now... a few thousand for buying (all) of them; and unknown exactly how much gets added as they are upgraded... level 1 to 5 seems to have no change - by level 6 the walls seem to add weight if in bulk; I would imagine that the higher level walls would have weight; but I've only purchased a handful of legos at 1mill each and only a few lava's at 3mil...

I've stopped the upgrades on (all) of my accounts and am no longer testing any weights on buildings / defenses... I'm continuing to do research and upgrades on heroes - and walls- but I'm satisfied with my research on buildings that I am comfortable with the info I've gained.

I still look foward to learning the weights for WITCHES - LAVA and some of the higher level research... and I'm curious to find out if heroes --will ever - add new weight...

King @2k - Queen at 1k and warden with zero weight seems really low considering just how important they are... especially if no extra weight is ever added to them....

Hi blombardo,

Can you share your findings so far. How much weight each item adds.

Much appreciated!

i'm sorry but i think the way you managed the research is wrong.
to really check the value of everything hoping their cost is linear(so 1 cannon 100 points, 2 cannons 200 3 300 etc) you should write a long inequality for every base you can totally see(so that you can know also the level of traps and all hidden stuff) and make it like this: if the gold of the guy is for example 50 000 you write
50000<=x* + y*7 + 200*z etc<51000
with x for townhall level 8
y for archer tower level 10
z for walls level 8
and for each different item and of different level you've to add a variable
than using somekind of software to solve this big system of disequations if all it's right you should get an idea of the value of everything in the most correct way.
for example you'll get that X values 8000 so th8 is 8000 points, y 900 so archer tower level 9 is 900 etc
doing this for all levels of th, archer towers etc etc you'll get the points of everything