DragLoon + EQ + Lightning Possible for TH8 due to new update

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Due to the new update, it is now possible for TH8s to have dark spells in war. This created a new opportunity for mass drag attacks at TH8.

Disclaimer
This strategy is very successful at TH8, but primarily for new TH8s. Once you upgrade lightning to lvl 5, you are able to use zapquake with your own lvl 1 earthquake (available to you at TH8 with a lvl 2 dark spell factory).

LVL 5 lightning spell costs 2 mil elixir, and dark spell factory costs 1.5 and 2.5 mil respectively. Therefore, for 6 mil elixir and in 10 days, you can have lvl5 lightning and your own lvl 1 EQ, making the following strategy not as useful

So why is this strategy useful?
Lvl 4 clan castle only takes 2 days and 1.8 million gold to upgrade. This is a prerequisite for any zapquake strategy available anyway, so this is not included in the day count.

Lvl 4 clan castle is all it takes for the following strategy (unless you are trying to take out LVL 6 AD), therefore allowing you to use it in two days. If you're anything like me, the first thing that you upgraded in your new TH8 was your lab and clan castle. Lab still takes four days, therefore, you may have a few wars before you can even think about upgrading spells. If you're anything like me, the first thing that you upgraded at TH8 was also dragons, which makes it so that you're not focusing on spells just yet right away.

This strategy requires:
- 2 days and 1.8 mil gold for lvl 4 cc
- 10 days and 4 mil elixir for lvl 2 dark spell factory (only if you want to take out lvl 6 ADs).

Regular zapquake requires:
- 2 days and 1.8 mil gold for lvl 4 cc
- 4 days and 1 mil elixir for laboratory
- 4 days and 2 mil elixir for lvl 5 lightning.
10 days and 4 mil elixir for lvl 2 dark spell factory.

ANYWHO:

By using:
1 lvl 4 EQ (from the clan castle).
and 2 lvl 4 lightning spells
1 of your own lvl 1 EQ (for lvl 6 AD)

You can take out up to lvl 6 AD. Often, it also allows you to have

1 RAGE SPELL!! In any zapquake strategy, you want this extra rage spell as a bonus, because now you do not need to use al three lightning to take care of one of the three extra air defense if you're attacking other TH8s.

This is very useful because now you only need to use two Lightning spells instead of three to take out any level of AD. This was possible before the update, but it required lvl 5 lightning spell, which may not be a priority for you. If not, read on!

CAUTION
- Very careful using this with less than lightning lvl 4. It will not take out lvl 6 AD otherwise.
- Use this only with lvl 4 EQ in the clan castle. You can do the math on your lightning spell + the EQ damage and take the risk if you want, but remember that lightning spell is not perfectly accurate. The higher the lvl of EQ + light that you use, the better.

WHAT I CAN GUARANTEE WILL BE DESTROYED WITH THE FOLLOWING.
Level 5 AD WILL BE DESTROYED WITH...
- LVL 4 EQ + 2 lvl 3 lightning spells.
- LVL 4 EQ + 2 LVL4 Lightning spells.

Level 6 AD:
- Lvl 4 EQ + 2 lvl 4 lightning spells + 1 OF YOUR OWN LVL 1 EQ.


Want to see this in action?
Check out my video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us6M...np&index=2

Obviously this does not work with every base. Having Barbarian King also greatly improves your chances of getting 100% by taking out the outside structure before you coming in with the dragz (to funnel them properly).

2ND DISCLAIMER
This is a method of attacking that has worked countless times for me. If you're anything like me, you prioritized dragons as soon as you got to TH8, because you knew it'd be a while before you could attack with anything other than mass dragons.

This strategy works best with new TH8s. After you get lvl 5 lightning, this is no longer necessary, and you can use your extra cc spell as a haste, with the extra rage, and use 2 lvl 5 lightning + your own EQ to take out any lvl of AD in TH8.

I decided to upgrade the rest of my basic offense for looting before my spells, such as my barbs, archers, and giants. This was great for me because with relatively little effort, I can now get the loot that I need for the rest of the upgrades and make the game run smoother for me. As someone that has a full time job and is primarily a casual player, this makes the most sense and keeps the game fun and interesting for me :) I already have all five builders (by pushing up to Master's and getting achievements), and I can use gems to boost barracks. I have shown in one of my videos that I can often get around 10k DE and a bunch of resources by looting using this method. Having my looting strategies upgraded worked best for me :)

I hope this strategy is useful to you. If you have any comments or questions, please comment below. I'd love to talk about ways of using this strategy for new TH8s and if is useful to you. If not, leave a comment anyway, but do not expect me to respond as kindly to you if you're a pompous jerk or rude to random people on the internet roided up on that cyber testosterone.

Have a nice day! :)
Mister T

Thanks for your efforts here, but this strat has been discussed ad nauseam.

Further, you will definitely want to upgrade your lightning to L5 and bring haste in CC, not another EQ.

I also disagree with how you are using your B King. He should be saved most the time for clean/distraction, not sacrificed. His added DPS is often critical against ~max TH8 bases.

I'm confused by this comment:

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Originally Posted by Roark77

WHAT I CAN GUARANTEE:
Level 5 AD:
- LVL 4 EQ + 2 lvl 3 lightning spells.

Level 6 AD:
- Lvl 4 EQ + 2 lvl 4 lightning spells

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What exactly are you guaranteeing?

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Originally Posted by Lunaticfringe

Thanks for your efforts here, but this strat has been discussed ad nauseam.

Further, you will definitely want to upgrade your lightning to L5 and bring haste in CC, not another EQ.

I also disagree with how you are using your B King. He should be saved most the time for clean/distraction, not sacrificed. His added DPS is often critical against ~max TH8 bases.

I'm confused by this comment:



What exactly are you guaranteeing?

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Hi Luna!

I am currently in the process of upgrading rage and then lightning, however, this strategy does work for relatively recent TH8s (like me). It made it easy for me to be able to 3 star relatively good TH8 bases in war, as I have shown many times in my videos (and from the many stars I have accumulated in war). This is a method that works for me, and for others who may attack similarly to me. I think that having an extra rage is MUCH more useful than having a haste. However, I do agree that once I am able to upgrade my EQ spell to lvl 2 and lightning to lvl 5, I will no longer need this strategy, and will then be requesting for a cc haste instead of an EQ spell, but for now, as I only have a lvl 1 EQ spell and a lvl 4 lightning, this strategy helps me have an extra rage. It works primarily for recent TH8s (which I can note in the section above.

I understand that you disagree with this strategy and with my use of the Barbarian King. However, when there are storages on the outside or structures than can throw off the funneling of your dragons, this can be an extremely effective strategy. Once one of the ADs is taken care of, and there are only two left, it can be easy to take out outside structures with Barb King, Funnel drag, then use rage. It will not work for every base, but it will work for most, as I have shown through my success with such attacks.

Lastly, your use of the term "ad nauseam" to describe a strategy that I choose to talk about is unnecessary, given that I am relatively new to this forum and I am talking about a strategy that I like to use and have had success with. If you do not agree with it, that is one thing, but please do not insult my methods of attacking (specially when they work, FOR ME, and it may also work for others in my position).

Thank you for your opinion!
Mister T

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Originally Posted by Roark77

I think that having an extra rage is MUCH more useful than having a haste.

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I'm not sure you read what I said very carefully

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Originally Posted by Roark77

I understand that you disagree with this strategy and with my use of the Barbarian King. However, when there are storages on the outside or structures than can throw off the funneling of your dragons, this can be an extremely effective strategy.

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And I'm recommending to you, strongly, consider not doing that. Yes, at times, it can be the right move, but sacrificing your B king, as you progress through TH8 (drag) war attacks, is a mistake more often than not.

Per further thought, knock yourself out. Continue using your B King like that. Makes no difference to me. I think that some might disagree when you recommend it to others though.

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Originally Posted by Roark77

Lastly, your use of the term "ad nauseam" to describe a strategy that I choose to talk about is unnecessary, given that I am relatively new to this forum and I am talking about a strategy that I like to use and have had success with. If you do not agree with it, that is one thing, but please do not insult my methods of attacking (specially when they work, FOR ME, and it may also work for others in my position).

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I have to admit I laughed out loud when I read this...

Again, I don't think you understood what I'm saying in the slightest.

When you say things like,

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Originally Posted by Roark77

Due to the new update, it is now possible for TH8s to have dark spells in war. This created a new opportunity for mass drag attacks at TH8.

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Originally Posted by Roark77

This is very useful because now you only need to use two Lightning spells instead of three to take out any level of AD.

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you're beating what many might consider a dead horse. I do like to thank most who put in effort to teach people, as I know that's something that isn't done in like 5 minutes and most have good intentions to help the community.

But I'm telling you, as a courtesy, any even remote reader of the forum likely knows about this attack and the possibilities given the update. As a new reader, I'm politely telling you that the discussion about this attack climaxed fairly recent with some dufus claiming he could 3* max TH8 war bases at a 95% rate using this attack (it was actually prior to the poison update for God's sake, but that's a different story).

This is precisely why I thanked you for your efforts, which was an effort to be polite. Someone who might be considered rude could say something like, "Dude, use the friggin Search function and you'll see that this forum has covered this attack to death," but I'm not that type of person.

As such, I think you need to step back for a moment, pause before replying, and think about what I actually said. I never once, "[insulted your] methods of attacking." EQ Light is a very strong war option to attack with at TH8, especially early to mid TH8.

Hey guys, this strategy is absolutely amazing with TH8, and you can gain a lot of respect. I am no dragon expert, but I can see this is the most functional strategy around for TH8s. I think you need a lvl5 lightning spell to do this strategy proper, but I may be mistaken. Alright, completely useless reply:)

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Originally Posted by Lunaticfringe

I'm not sure you read what I said very carefully



And I'm recommending to you, strongly, consider not doing that. Yes, at times, it can be the right move, but sacrificing your B king, as you progress through TH8 (drag) war attacks, is a mistake more often than not.

Per further thought, knock yourself out. Continue using your B King like that. Makes no difference to me. I think that some might disagree when you recommend it to others though.



I have to admit I laughed out loud when I read this...

Again, I don't think you understood what I'm saying in the slightest.

When you say things like,
and

you're beating what many might consider a dead horse. I do like to thank most who put in effort to teach people, as I know that's something that isn't done in like 5 minutes and most have good intentions to help the community.

But I'm telling you, as a courtesy, any even remote reader of the forum likely knows about this attack and the possibilities given the update. As a new reader, I'm politely telling you that the discussion about this attack climaxed fairly recent with some dufus claiming he could 3* max TH8 war bases at a 95% rate using this attack (it was actually prior to the poison update for God's sake, but that's a different story).

This is precisely why I thanked you for your efforts, which was an effort to be polite. Someone who might be considered rude could say something like, "Dude, use the friggin Search function and you'll see that this forum has covered this attack to death," but I'm not that type of person.

As such, I think you need to step back for a moment, pause before replying, and think about what I actually said. I never once, "[insulted your] methods of attacking." EQ Light is a very strong war option to attack with at TH8, especially early to mid TH8.

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Hi Luna,

I think that I finally understand what you're saying. It is an overused topic, however, I was pointing out a change given the new update. My point is that...

2 lvl 4 lightning and a lvl 1 EQ, available to fairly recent TH8s without cc spell, will not take down a lvl 5 or a lvl 6 AD. Therefore, no extra rage spell is available without the cc dark spell. Due to the update, it is now possible for new TH8s, with lvl 4 lightning, to take down lvl 5 or lvl 6 AD easily and have an extra rage.

Now I haven't tried 2 lvl 5 light and a lvl 2 EQ, available to high TH8s (because I am not there yet), and I am not sure if without cc EQ, it takes out a lvl 5 or a lvl 6 EQ. I am going to update my post including some of the math of this, because yes, the haste spell would be the best option if an AD can be taken out. Since then you would have a rage and a high lvl cc haste, which is obviously better than one rage and an EQ. I have researched this since it was not the intention or the reason behind my post. My post was not intended for high lvl TH8s. I will make this more clear.

My guarantee in my original post is that...

2 lvl 4 lightning and a lvl 4 cc EQ will destroy a lvl 5 AD without fail. You can use your own dark spell for poison or your own EQ (will be weak at TH8).

2 lvl 4 light, a lvl 1 EQ, AND a lvl 4 cc EQ will destroy a lvl 6 AD withou fail.

I did not make this clear, and I'll go back and change it, so I can thank you for that.


The addition of the cc dark spell is new, and is somethi ng attainable within a few days to a new TH8. Whereas lvl 5 Light, lvl 2 EQ, is not as easy to access right away, as there could be other priorities (barch, dragons, giants to name a few). Once again, thank you for shedding light to the fact that this is not the most efficient method of attacking, however, it is MY current method of attacking given my constraints, and I have proven success with it. Once those constraints are no longer there, I will not use it.

I am new to this forum, and I am relatively new to COC, yet I hope my tone does not convey arrogance or disrespect. Your tone, on the other hand, comes across a bit pompous. Your "laugh" at me trying to explain my position to you in a respectful way is both arrogant and rude. I could have explained my original post better, but giving feedback to anyone in this way is not helpful and is a sign of immaturity.

You say that I did not understand your point "in the slightest," but I hope I have proven that I see your point. It is a well discussed topic that I wanted to share my thoughts on given the new update for relatively new TH8s.

In turn, thanks to your input, I will update my original post to reflect a disclaimer that there are much more efficient methods of using dark spell in cc, however, this method can be accessible to new TH8s very quickly and will up their war game up a notch to allow them to not hurt their clan in transition from TH7 to TH8. I was a maxed TH7 so I was able to get cc, lvl 2 dark spell factory upgraded in a few days, therefore my clan was unaffected by my upgrading to TH8.

Thanks again! :)

Lol, if you think I'm arrogant and rude, I have a recommendation for you...wait a while...

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Lol, if you think I'm arrogant and rude, I have a recommendation for you...wait a while...

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Arrogant and rude? Did someone say my name?

Dude, Lunatic was being completely more than reasonable to you. I don't understand your distinction between low and high th8 or whatever. As a new th8, you instantly max your dragons then your lightning spells, and boom, you have a zapquake with a rage and haste which is either the second or third strongest th8 3 star attack. There is zero reason to hold off upgrading your lightning spells and cry about not being a "high enough th8" when it's a cheap, five day upgrade you'll do immediately unless you're so dang arrogant you somehow think this is better than having a haste because.. why? And most importantly, everyone has known here about zapquake forever, we really don't need someone new to the forums giving a guide with bad advice that's been discussed ad naseum and most rational members here have a solid understanding of the meta.

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Originally Posted by tyler4

Arrogant and rude? Did someone say my name?

Dude, Lunatic was being completely more than reasonable to you. I don't understand your distinction between low and high th8 or whatever. As a new th8, you instantly max your dragons then your lightning spells, and boom, you have a zapquake with a rage and haste which is either the second or third strongest th8 3 star attack. There is zero reason to hold off upgrading your lightning spells and cry about not being a "high enough th8" when it's a cheap, five day upgrade you'll do immediately unless you're so dang arrogant you somehow think this is better than having a haste because.. why? And most importantly, everyone has known here about zapquake forever, we really don't need someone new to the forums giving a guide with bad advice that's been discussed ad naseum and most rational members here have a solid understanding of the meta.

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Sounds great Tyler,

Have an incredible day!

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Originally Posted by Roark77

Sounds great Tyler,

Have an incredible day!

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Too his credit, he accepts getting put into place far better than nevrstopdreamin lolol.

Seriously, if you are interested enough in wars to post an attack strategy here, don't justify being bad and not upgrading one of two things you need to be effective at dragoning, just max your lightning. Your barch doesn't matter for wars and is not a priority for a TH8 war player interested in getting three stars. I've been a TH9 for probably 4-5 months now and my GIBARCH is still TH8 level (but of course, loons/all dark troops but minions are maxed for TH9 and spells are getting there next).