I know... post x 1000 of why the update isn't for the best. With (gasp) MATH!

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Originally Posted by n2ocharged

It only works for those who are TH10 or TH11.. so for me, your argument is invalid...

I'm only coming across THs with 200k - 250k (MAYBE the occasional 300 - 350 which I'm not equipped to attack) loot and max defenses, so if I spent the 200k+ on troops, plus the 100k on spells, I"m out even if I get 100% of the base... so what's the point in raiding anymore?

I'm not going to go up to masters, or titan, or legend, or any other league higher than I am now because I'd get taken for more than I bring in already... so I can sit and let my collectors do their thing while I'm not attacking and then spend it on walls/heros and not get attacked for a couple of days and make up for the attack that does come in...

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Exactly. That's why I pushed up to 3000+ trophies. The only thing that makes a full raid worthwhile is the league bonus. And that league bonus requires a large percentage of their base be destroyed.

In the past I could take a smaller army and make more profit, because a star was a full bonus. Now you can't - it's got to be a full attack to get the full bonus.

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Originally Posted by Puls4r

I can't tell you how impressed my family is when we're playing cards and I say "I have to go make an attack". Or we're eating dinner and I have to make an attack.

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Wait. You do that? And I thought I was addicted. I would never let a game get in the way of family. I can't imagine what my wife/kid would say if I said that.

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Originally Posted by RAppel

Wait. You do that? And I thought I was addicted. I would never let a game get in the way of family. I can't imagine what my wife/kid would say if I said that.

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That's kinda my point heh. In the past it didn't matter. Now, if I don't attack the second my troops are ready, I lose one attack in the shield cycle and end up breaking even for 5 hours of work rather than making a decent profit.

I won't play that way - I'm not going to set aside life for the game. Never had to in the past..... but now it's impossible. Once I get 4 or 5 mill in my collectors and they're taking me for 400k or 500k per raid it will slow even more. Getting 6 million? laughable. Not impossible. But it's not fun.

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Originally Posted by Puls4r

I am a mid-TH 9. Good base design, adapted many times to take advantage of the new style of game play since the update. Collectors and resource reservoirs are spread so even a good attack doesn't get them all, etc. Yet I'm not having a good time - not at all. I'm treading water and going in circles. And all I want is to upgrade my balloons their final level so I can do Lava-Loonian.

The upgrade takes 6,000,000 elixir. In the past, I could easily crank that out. I've used full go-wipes for raiding because I enjoy it, and I enjoy using each raid to practice for war attacks - because that is the only practice you get if you play legitimately without any... 'aids'.

A full army costs me around 260k elixir. So I would build the army while under a shield, raid and make at least 260k elixir, and the league bonus up in masters made it a nice 120,000 (minimum) gain of elixir.

With my town hall outside (farming mode) I was usually sniped, but occasionally someone raided me fully. I could crank out my 6,000,000 elixir in 3 or 4 days. The nice long shield after getting sniped means that I could actually attend to my real life: you know, a family and kids. I could play when I wanted, set it down when I wanted.... and I could enjoy the game. Call me casual if you want *shrug* - but not many folks I know make it mid TH 9 in 8 months of play.

That was life before the update.

SINCE the update, there have been two major changes that negatively impacted my game play. First - because TH sniping no longer exists, every single attack that has hit me has been a full wipe by an upper level TH 9 or a Th10. With 2,500,000 elixir in my reservoirs, every one of those wipes takes me for 320 to 350k.

But supercell tried to address that change by allowing us to attack through shields. Now EVERY attack against me is nearly a full attack. That's a 350k loss, against my usual 100-150k full attack. So I end up having to make 2 attacks to break even. Why is that a problem?

Because I have a life. I don't want to have to schedule my life around playing a game - because it isn't a game anymore when that happens. I have no choice now though, because I'm dropping 300k every time I get attacked. So this is the loop I'm in right now.

I attack - +120k
One hour later, I have to log in and attack +120k
One hour later, I have to log in and attack +120k
I may be able to log in and get one more before my shield is gone +120k
Shield is gone: -300 to 350k

So with supercell's new 'make every attack a full attack', if I build my life around playing clash of clans I can make 200k of elixir over a span of 5 hours. Assuming I drop everything in real life. I can't tell you how impressed my family is when we're playing cards and I say "I have to go make an attack". Or we're eating dinner and I have to make an attack.

Of course, at night when you have to sleep you lose 8 hours of your shield, which means now going to SLEEP is a losing prospect in clash of clans.

Is that fun? Enjoyable? Not to me. Supercell better find a way to get us off this elixir carousel that they've created. Because I don't intend to mold my life around playing a game. As it is, since the update, I've had over 3 million elixir in my collectors exactly once. And that's while I'm on vacation. Once I go back to real life where I sleep and work 14 or 15 hours a day, I'll never manage to keep anything in my reservoirs.

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That's exactly what is happening to me and almost everyone in my clan

Do you have maxed hogs or at least level 4? If you can crank out goho until you get the elixir needed, that may work for you. It sucks to be in the situation that you're in, and I have clanmates that have bought a 5 day shield so resources could build up.

Goho uses heavy dark elixir, so be prepared for resource adjustments. However, the cost of 8 wizards, 3H 1J, and 3 wall breakers is peanuts (E) compared to the attacks that are normally being run now.

Again, I do not envy your position in the game. It is truly tough sledding for anyone that isnt maxed lab.

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Originally Posted by Puls4r

Claiming I should be 400/400/4k is pretty unrealistic. Luckily enough, my troops had just finished
building. So I'll take your claim and test it. Of course I already know that your suggestion really isn't realistic. I am in a competitive clan with 50 members - and people BRAG when they manage to pull in a 400/400/4k attack. It's pretty darn uncommon. Guess what? 10 minutes.... I'm still hitting next.

Yeah THAT'S the game I what to spend time playing. 15 minutes of pressing next to find an attack.

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Yeah I love how they make it sound like you just go and get a 400k plus loot raid, lol and even if you do find one after pressing next a hundred times, I've done that a lot, lol your not guaranteed your even going to get all of the loot available,

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Originally Posted by Puls4r

That's kinda my point heh. In the past it didn't matter. Now, if I don't attack the second my troops are ready, I lose one attack in the shield cycle and end up breaking even for 5 hours of work rather than making a decent profit.

I won't play that way - I'm not going to set aside life for the game. Never had to in the past..... but now it's impossible. Once I get 4 or 5 mill in my collectors and they're taking me for 400k or 500k per raid it will slow even more. Getting 6 million? laughable. Not impossible. But it's not fun.

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i agree with what you are saying. But.. Just want to point out there is a max that can be taken from storages. It gets there once you hit about 2.5/2.5/50 in th9. you can loose:
350/350/2.5
plus 50% of mines & collectors
plus 75% of de drills
minus loot penalty

I don't bother timing under shield. If I don't have enough time for heroes to regenerate then I just don't hit. But thankfully I'm max.
you have to raid in boost sessions more than ever. Of course, that's what they want too. They want you to lose so much on defense that everyone does boost sessions. At least they made them an hour now.

edit: I'm pretty sure the max used to be 2.9/2.9/50 for a th9
and I thought they could take 300/300/2.5 from storages
Does anyone know if they changed the loot cap with the update? May be why ppl are losing more

it's take you 1hr to build your army without gem, right?

so gem the barrack and hero to reduce the time to 15mins then you can ride 4 times/village guide (with gem) + 4 times via shield (no gem).

without gem, no profit, that's they want from us. and that also ruin this game.

I wil share my schedule:

I raid at 11PM and log out without shield at 11PM before going to sleep -> after log out, instantly got 16hrs shield
I wake up at 6AM, do some stuff and eat breakfast until 7AM and raid one time, so I only have 5hrs shield left.
I go to work and have 1.5hrs break around 12PM, and that exactly end time of my shield, one more last raid via shield and I still have village guard for 1hrs (I can do other thing during 15min training without opening my phone all time)
I boost my barrack and hero and spell with gem to have 4 raids in 1hrs (I only eat lunch for 30 mins) then log out to get 16hrs shield again.
I come back home at 6:30 or 7 PM and one more raid before going to bath (7->8hrs shield left), enjoy my life with my family until 10PM and raid one again (no more shield but still have 1hr village guard) then boost again to have another 4 raid before log out at 11PM.

you can see, I raid about 11-12 times with 60gems/day (only boost 2 barracks, hero and spell, because my army include giants, wizards and 1 or 2 witches which is fast and cheap) ~ 1800gems/month ~ 16$/month.


what's your schedule? by the way, I'm TH9 in champion 1 with ~ 4000 trohy and I got ~ 900k gold and Elixir + 4000 DE every single raid (bonus included). I get hit mostly by TH11 and they can only get ~160k gold + 160k elixir 1200 DE for 3 starring me due to the loot penalties.
I've never run out of resource to upgrade stuff, especially DE.

I only donate to my clan mate when I'm under shield, just quickly login, donate and log out (20s). my clan is amazing, usually I request EQ spell with some archer or wiz or lvl3 witches and instantly have it.

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Originally Posted by Freyja1

i agree with what you are saying. But.. Just want to point out there is a max that can be taken from storages. It gets there once you hit about 2.5/2.5/50 in th9. you can loose:
350/350/2.5
plus 50% of mines & collectors
plus 75% of de drills
minus loot penalty

I don't bother timing under shield. If I don't have enough time for heroes to regenerate then I just don't hit. But thankfully I'm max.
you have to raid in boost sessions more than ever. Of course, that's what they want too. They want you to lose so much on defense that everyone does boost sessions. At least they made them an hour now.

edit: I'm pretty sure the max used to be 2.9/2.9/50 for a th9
and I thought they could take 300/300/2.5 from storages
Does anyone know if they changed the loot cap with the update? May be why ppl are losing more

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Yes they made changes to the loot availability. It was in the league bonus thread. With those big increases to the leagues, it was easy to miss.

If I remember correctly, th6-10 offers more but you can steal less from a town hall lower than you. Which is strange to me because if it offers more but you can steal less now, isn't that the same amount pre update? Guess you can steal more from an equal town hall lv but I haven't seen anything to back up the claim.

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Originally Posted by tallas13

If you have decent TH9 troops, you should not be attacking anyone with less then 400k/400k/4k using a real army.

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If he is spending 260k elixer on his attacking army, I'm not sure what you consider a real army. Maybe you forgot that part or didn't bother with the math?