Why the continued negativity?

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December 26th, 2015
Wendle

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Originally Posted by ElfLiya

with the massive update it shocks most players and the loot distribution, most are starting to adapt but some they feel every attack to their village and every next feels like there's no progress being made.

Bottom line is that pre-update with free shields, I could collect enough for a 8M upgrade just through my own collectors. Now this is impossible. Anyone who relied on this must fundamentally change how they play or quit. There is no debate here.

Make up you own mind as to whether players like this quitting helps or hurts your game.
December 26th, 2015
dorsan

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Originally Posted by ElfLiya

with the massive update it shocks most players and the loot distribution, most are starting to adapt but some they feel every attack to their village and every next feels like there's no progress being made. this is why some goes here on the forums and they think they can insult and start a revolt against it.....not gonna happen here this is not facebook or twitter this forum have rules and they should be obeyed and enforced, if they have a comment about the update there is a feedback thread on the sticky

Most of us are making constructive threads though. I personally find threads like this one more negative than the ones made to point out the problems with the latest update.

Also, please re-read your posts before posting them, some punctuation and grammar check would make them way more readable. I don't like to criticize how people write (well unless they write elixer instead of elixir), but it is very difficult to decipher your posts lately. Literally have to read it several times to understand what you are trying to say.
December 26th, 2015
PhilBanana

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Originally Posted by Element990

There is nothing wrong with the current state of COC other than a slight loot imbalance. With time they will fix this.

This statement demonstrates that you are somewhat clueless.

the lack of loot is a consequence, not a root cause.
adding more loot, eg through a temporary boost, does not solve the actual problems.

trophy system
matchmaking
training costs/times
progression path
casual / hardcore player balance

These are the problems.
December 26th, 2015
dpclash

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Originally Posted by Element990

But it's their game to decide how it's played. TH on the outside unprotected wasn't a part of that picture. Like I've said, they need to replace that loot taken away from the TH snipe. But unlike a majority of people it seems, I have faith in their ability to make changes where need be.

It's their game to decide how it's played, but individuals decide whether they will continue playing if they are no longer having fun. TH unprotected may not have been their original plan, but it worked for many, and they remained engaged with the game. War wasn't part of that picture, but they bowed to pressure and created it. When they did, I doubt X.5 and defenseless bases were part of the new picture. Will they now further remove diversity of experiences by "fixing" that practice?
What about bots? Were they part of that picture?
December 26th, 2015
Harrisman24

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Originally Posted by ElfLiya

with the massive update it shocks most players and the loot distribution, most are starting to adapt but some they feel every attack to their village and every next feels like there's no progress being made. this is why some goes here on the forums and they think they can insult and start a revolt against it.....not gonna happen here this is not facebook or twitter this forum have rules and they should be obeyed and enforced, if they have a comment about the update there is a feedback thread on the sticky

This is 100% a real question Elf: How many wishes at xmas did you make to become a forum mod? And you still didn't get it?

Honestly all I ever see from you is telling people how to write/comment. You aren't contributing anything constructive for anyone here, writing these posts over and over and over.

Seriously sometimes I wonder if people are so delusional, they think they are something they are not. In your case, you think, or want to believe real real hard that you are a mod. When you're not.

I also sometimes wonder if its just to boost your post count, as you have little anything to add to discussions. Only when someone "oversteps" the rules do you chime in with your drabble of how the forums are meant to work..

Report, and move on Elf. Stop boosting your post count, and stop thinking you are a mod. You aren't. Just stop.. Please.
December 26th, 2015
fette

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Originally Posted by Harrisman24

This is 100% a real question Elf: How many wishes at xmas did you make to become a forum mod? And you still didn't get it?

Lolz Ikr! :smirk:

* I almost posted the exact same thing*
December 26th, 2015
ElfLiya

sorry :( im not trying to be one :( im just like that :)

haters gonna hate but i don't care
December 27th, 2015
Fcscarel

You have hidden your face from the replies just like we the "not real chiefs" have, and i quote you, "hidden our bases from other players"
December 27th, 2015
ProfChaos

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Originally Posted by CerebralKnievel

Where have you seen any evidence to imply that they're working hard to correct the game and make it fun again???

You sound like a troll or a paid shill.

IDK... maybe dev team response that's been posted all over forums or perhaps the changes to PBT and the timer that was added and correcting lvl 3 witches. Is that not enough in two weeks or should they just take all the complainers at their word & not get some real in game data on the rest of it.
December 27th, 2015
MiseriesChild

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Originally Posted by Sutemi

Please provide evidence of this. The only thing i have seen is one quote from a minor SC team member. Certainly nothing that would give me confidence anything is actually being done.

I agree being personally abusive is wrong. Most of the posts do not call the developers a bunch of funny smelling goat herders. Ratger they are documenting the very real discontent with this update. Therefore they are completely valid.

Wrong. Flat out wrong. The PBT debacle is perhaps the biggest mistake SC has made. The loot imbalance may be fixable with a significant ( tripling) of the win bonus for lower tiers, but pbt is just a convoluted mess that needs to be scrapped altogether.

SC has a history of not responding quickly to major bugs in the game that were created by their incompetence during updates. Two examples

1) Last year during the summer of 2014 they had an issue where many clans became unsearchable, literally you could not find them. It took SC more than 3 months to fix their error.

2) This spring they created a new gui that made the game nearly unplayable on android devices. Again it took almost 3 months to fix thrir error.

Here we are again, with another poorly tested poorly designed update that has major flaws. Do you consider 3 months a good response time?

You have nailed it on the head. Players do need to raid to progress. At the moment loot is bad enough even that is not a guarantee. ..

If the loot can be fixed then the casual (read majority of CoC players) will be ok. If not the game dies.

At least the casual players don't worry sbout pbt malarky.

Not an exploit. Putting one's town hall out was an acknowledged way to utilize game mechanics. 3 years ago SC even agreed it was smart. I get why they changed their mind, i think it was stupid but i get it.

Frankly i think they should have found a better way to manage bot players.

As i mentioned before, your faith is misplaced. SC has repeatedly failed to live up to the implicit contract between a software provider and user, namely not to break things snd if they do fix it fast.

I have faith in God's redeeming grace. I am confident the sun will shine tomorrow. I will believe in SC when they start communicating with the players of their games in a forthright manner snd take actions appropriate to the magnitude of the issue.

In this case, an appropriate action would be the resignation of the head of the Clash of Clans product team.

Thank you for such a well thought out reply, I totally agree. They are moving under the assumption of "If it ain't broke fix it till it is" IMO. If the TH snipe was so "broken" it should have been fixed long ago, no reason to wait years to push out an "Update" that totally changes the mechanics of the game.

Now I just wait for the trolls to rip me apart for stating how I feel on the issue...
December 27th, 2015
Flexlex

Won't stop whining until the old game comes back. Fan boys can deal with it
December 27th, 2015
dorsan

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Originally Posted by ProfChaos

IDK... maybe dev team response that's been posted all over forums or perhaps the changes to PBT and the timer that was added and correcting lvl 3 witches. Is that not enough in two weeks or should they just take all the complainers at their word & not get some real in game data on the rest of it.

Dude, changing a value in a database for the witches, adding in a few views and a timer and fixing one bug is 4-6 hours of work for 1 person plus the time it took the designer team to draw the new graphics. It surely isn't hard effort as you might think.
December 27th, 2015
MiseriesChild

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Originally Posted by Powwder

http://www.p4rgaming.com/supercell-t...ofitable-ones/

yes. Supercell cares about money, not making a good game.

Are you serious... this can't be a real article. If so, this is truly sad day :(
December 27th, 2015
dorsan

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Originally Posted by MiseriesChild

Are you serious... this can't be a real article. If so, this is truly sad day :(

It's a news parody site.
December 27th, 2015
MiseriesChild

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Originally Posted by dorsan

It's a news parody site.

That's what I thought when I was reading it but wasn't sure since I haven't heard of it before, LOL!!
December 27th, 2015
Sutemi

Thanks, and I agree they should not have changed the snipe system

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Originally Posted by MiseriesChild

Thank you for such a well thought out reply, I totally agree. They are moving under the assumption of "If it ain't broke fix it till it is" IMO. If the TH snipe was so "broken" it should have been fixed long ago, no reason to wait years to push out an "Update" that totally changes the mechanics of the game.

Now I just wait for the trolls to rip me apart for stating how I feel on the issue...

That kind of change needs significant testing as in several hundred ppl testing on a Dev server...

The only legitimate reason I can see they did it was to get rid of bot players. The problem is they took a ton of money out of the economy when they did that.

It is better at the moment with the boosted mines and collectors but that will end and then where will we be?
December 27th, 2015
Fury8

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Originally Posted by Flexlex

Won't stop whining until the old game comes back. Fan boys can deal with it

Lol does that work on your parents?
December 27th, 2015
Vinnie009

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Originally Posted by Element990

Actually all that does in the real world is cause resentment and disconnect. On the other hand, constructive criticism with feedback,facts, and information is great.

...great...if its acknowledged and communication about what is being done to resolve it is shared .....
Otherwise, you get continued negativity.
December 27th, 2015
ProfChaos

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Originally Posted by dorsan

Dude, changing a value in a database for the witches, adding in a few views and a timer and fixing one bug is 4-6 hours of work for 1 person plus the time it took the designer team to draw the new graphics. It surely isn't hard effort as you might think.

Complaint is NOTHING is being done or said. I'm not trying to quantify what has been done, just pointing out the obvious that there are in fact many things being done.
December 28th, 2015
lurker1206

sniping is inherently broken

I haven't really had any problems farming personally (new TH8), so I also don't understand the negativity

That being said, if farming really is dead now, it just brings to light problems the game has had since its release. Shields aren't supposed to be available whenever you want at no cost.
December 28th, 2015
WiseGuyClasher

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Originally Posted by Element990

It is clear that SC is continuing to work out the issues that this update produced, so why are there so many people still being negative? It takes time to roll these updates out, be patient!

Ummm... where exactly did this clarity come from? I haven't seen SC do anything or communicate anything to indicate they care in any way what is happening right now.

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