New Troop: PHOENIX

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The Phoenix is bred from the ashes of an Inferno Tower and is resistant to its flames. Once released, it seeks its birthplace, so it can be born anew!!!

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Summary
✔ The Phoenix is an air troop
✔ It targets Inferno Towers
✔ It takes 50 percent damage from them
✔ Once it successfully destroys an Inferno Tower, it is reborn with full hitpoints.
✔ If multiple Phoenixs are attacking an Inferno Tower, only one will be reborn.
✔ If there are no Inferno Towers, a Phoenix will attack the nearest defense. Please note that it will not be reborn after destroying any other building than an Inferno Tower
✔ A Phoenix is only reborn if it strikes the last blow to an Inferno Tower(the one that destroys it) If another troop destroys an Inferno Tower while the Phoenix is attacking it, it will not be reborn
Statistics
✔ Housing space: 30
✔ Training time: 45 minutes
✔ Movement speed: 16
✔ Attack speed: 1 second
✔ Range: 1 tile
✔ Dark Barracks level unlocked at: 7
✔ Attack Type: Area Splash(only for enemy troops)

Level	Damage per second	Damage per attack	Hitpoints	Training cost http://i.imgur.com/r1cVlrn.png	Research cost http://i.imgur.com/r1cVlrn.png	Laboratory level required	Research time
1	100	100	1000	400	N/A	N/A	N/A
2	200	200	1500	500	60,000	8	10 days
3	300	300	2000	550	70,000	9	12 days

Dark Barracks

Level	Build Cost(in Elixir)	Experience Gained	Boost Cost(in Gems)	Hitpoints	Maximum Unit Queue Lenth	Town Hall Level Required	Unlocked Unit
1	750,000	509	5	500	40	7	Minion
2	1,250,000	657	5	550	50	7	Hog Rider
3	1,750,000	720	5	600	60	8	Valkyrie
4	2,250,000	777	5	700	70	8	Golem
5	2,750,000	831	5	800	80	9	Witch
6	3,500,000	881	5	900	90	9	Lava Hound
7	4,250,000	925	5	1000	100	10	Phoenix

Attacking strategies
✔ Use in aerial attacks to take the Inferno Towers off your troops
✔ Be sure to watch out for Multi-Target Inferno Towers, since the Phoenix will only be able to block one beam.
How to redo your base
✔ Set your Inferno Towers to Multi-Target
✔ Place Inferno Towers within range of multiple Air Defenses
Acknowledgements
Thanks to AnthonyVince for page format!!!

Uh...I actually like this idea. :smirk: But it doesn't need 4 levels...yet. I'd say 3.

Don't tell anyone, but I think a unique idea like this should replace the Dragon. It's more interesting and you couldn't spam a bunch of these on a base and win. :smirk:

P.S. Reduce health by like 1000 at each level, since it gets reborn and is already powerful.

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

Uh...I actually like this idea. :smirk: But it doesn't need 4 levels...yet. I'd say 3.

Don't tell anyone, but I think a unique idea like this should replace the Dragon. It's more interesting and you couldn't spam a bunch of these on a base and win. :smirk:

P.S. Reduce health by like 1000 at each level, since it gets reborn and is already powerful.

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Thanks for your feedback, AV!!!

I don't think these should replace Drags...people would be spamming General calling to bring the Dragon back. Plus this should really be a TH10 and TH11 troop, since it's pretty much a defense-targeting dragon without Infernos.

And I agree with your nerfs. Removed Level 4 and reduced HP across all levels by 1000.

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

Thanks for your feedback, AV!!!

I don't think these should replace Drags...people would be spamming General calling to bring the Dragon back. Plus this should really be a TH10 and TH11 troop, since it's pretty much a defense-targeting dragon without Infernos.

And I agree with your nerfs. Removed Level 4 and reduced HP across all levels by 1000.

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No problem. :smirk:
And I was semi-kidding about that :smirk:
Thread looks good! :D

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

No problem. :smirk:
And I was semi-kidding about that :smirk:
Thread looks good! :D

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Glad you like it!!!

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Originally Posted by Temur

New Troops Type Requests:
* (MECHANICAL) Cannon, catapult, ballista, trebuchet, battering ram, minesweeper, pirate ship
* (UNITS) Ogre, assassin, scorcher, berserker, dark night hawk, sorcerer, sorceress, witch, cyclops, rogue, knight, elf, dead skeleton, war elephant, giant spider, wraith, baby dragon, phoenix, cavalry, falcon, priest, ninja, dog, blimp, marksman, samurai, gargoyle, gryphon, demon, ghost, serpent, slimer

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That's not ruled out, that's a list of commonly suggested ideas.
"Ideas taken into consideration, possible future additions (for ruled out ideas list scroll down)"

You never really specified that it's an air troop. But it is right?
Also, if another troop is attacking it while the Phoenix is, and the IT goes down, is the Phoenix credited with the destruction and therefore reborn? Or does it go by which troop gave the last damage to the IT before it was destroyed?

But I think this is a very good idea. Good job!

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Originally Posted by Nolanvw

You never really specified that it's an air troop. But it is right?
Also, if another troop is attacking it while the Phoenix is, and the IT goes down, is the Phoenix credited with the destruction and therefore reborn? Or does it go by which troop gave the last damage to the IT before it was destroyed?

But I think this is a very good idea. Good job!

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1. Yes, it is. Better put that.
2. Hmmm that's a tough one. I'll think about it. What do you guys think?

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

1. Yes, it is. Better put that.
2. Hmmm that's a tough one. I'll think about it. What do you guys think?

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I think whichever troop gave the IT the final blow gets credited with destroying it, regardless of what happened before. It will make it simple rather than trying to figure out which troop destroyed a higher percentage of the IT's hitpoints. That also solves which Phoenix gets to be reborn when there are a group of them.

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Originally Posted by Nolanvw

I think whichever troop gave the IT the final blow gets credited with destroying it, regardless of what happened before. It will make it simple rather than trying to figure out which troop destroyed a higher percentage of the IT's hitpoints. That also solves which Phoenix gets to be reborn when there are a group of them.

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Good point.
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I feel this idea is 100% unique and you put a lot of time and effort into this idea I support you with this awesome idea

Nice idea. I haven't seen a phoenix troop get suggested before but knowing the CoC forums, anything and everything that is possible has been suggested before. So the originality of this idea doesn't concern me, its the presentation and you have done a good job.

Also might I suggest that when Phoenixes die they damage the buildings around them in a 2 tile radius, leaving them with a burning effect?

To me when I hear "Phoenix" I think of a creature that heals and is reborn from ashes. I think if a healing power to the phoenix, it would be great.

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Originally Posted by PhillyGator

I feel this idea is 100% unique and you put a lot of time and effort into this idea I support you with this awesome idea

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Thanks!!!

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Originally Posted by DemonSage

Nice idea. I haven't seen a phoenix troop get suggested before but knowing the CoC forums, anything and everything that is possible has been suggested before. So the originality of this idea doesn't concern me, its the presentation and you have done a good job.

Also might I suggest that when Phoenixes die they damage the buildings around them in a 2 tile radius, leaving them with a burning effect?

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Perhaps. I'll see. Might be a little OP though.

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Originally Posted by Temur

To me when I hear "Phoenix" I think of a creature that heals and is reborn from ashes. I think if a healing power to the phoenix, it would be great.

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There's already a rebirth effect, and we already have a healing troop.

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Originally Posted by jonnguy2014

Perhaps. I'll see. Might be a little OP though.

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No I don't think so. The damage could be equivalent to 10% of their Max HP. Or it could leave a burning effect that lasts 5 seconds that's equivalent to 15% of their Max HP. I really like troops that activate a unique ability upon their "death". Like Lavahounds and Golems.

Edit: Here are some examples(lets call the ability Blaze for now):

Level 1: Phoenix deals 100 damage in a 2 tile radius upon death.
Level 2: Phoenix deals 150 damage in a 2 tile radius upon death.
Level 3: Phoenix deals 200 damage in a 2 tile radius upon death.

OR Alternatively -

Level 1: Phoenix leaves enemy buildings in a 2 tile radius with a burn that lasts 5 seconds. Each second of burn deals 30 damage, for a total of 150 damage.
Level 2: Burn damage increased to 45 DPS, for a total of 225 damage.
Level 3: Burn increased to 60 DPS, for a total of 300 damage.

Its not OP if you think about it. Only TH10+ players would have access to it and you can have only 8 in maxed out camps. And you said yourself that this troop can't take town halls on its own so its more of a meat shield to protect other troops from Inferno Tower. Giving it a little more juice won't hurt it, it'll help it.

I see army comps integrating this troop like this:

2 Phoenixes, 2 Golems, 2 Pekkas, Wizards and a Witch. And a Barbs/Archers in the CC.

You attempted to edit that it is an air troop, but you failed and accidentally typed that it targets air troops. :smirk: That would make it a terrible troop if it can only do that. :smirk:
(Add a poll!!!!!!)

So this is pretty much a lava hound that targets inferno towers, but it's actually expected to destroy them and is fully regenerated when it does so? Another way of defending them is to put your inferno tower to single target, because with a 1v1, the inferno tower would win in this case.

Other than the fact that it's a lava hound that targets something else, i kind of like this troop

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Originally Posted by DemonSage

No I don't think so. The damage could be equivalent to 10% of their Max HP. Or it could leave a burning effect that lasts 5 seconds that's equivalent to 15% of their Max HP. I really like troops that activate a unique ability upon their "death". Like Lavahounds and Golems.

Edit: Here are some examples(lets call the ability Blaze for now):

Level 1: Phoenix deals 100 damage in a 2 tile radius upon death.
Level 2: Phoenix deals 150 damage in a 2 tile radius upon death.
Level 3: Phoenix deals 200 damage in a 2 tile radius upon death.

OR Alternatively -

Level 1: Phoenix leaves enemy buildings in a 2 tile radius with a burn that lasts 5 seconds. Each second of burn deals 30 damage, for a total of 150 damage.
Level 2: Burn damage increased to 45 DPS, for a total of 225 damage.
Level 3: Burn increased to 60 DPS, for a total of 300 damage.

Its not OP if you think about it. Only TH10+ players would have access to it and you can have only 8 in maxed out camps. And you said yourself that this troop can't take town halls on its own so its more of a meat shield to protect other troops from Inferno Tower. Giving it a little more juice won't hurt it, it'll help it.

I see army comps integrating this troop like this:

2 Phoenixes, 2 Golems, 2 Pekkas, Wizards and a Witch. And a Barbs/Archers in the CC.

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That's true. I'll take a look at it.

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Originally Posted by Nolanvw

You attempted to edit that it is an air troop, but you failed and accidentally typed that it targets air troops. :smirk: That would make it a terrible troop if it can only do that. :smirk:
(Add a poll!!!!!!)

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Whoops. Fixed.

I honestly don't like polls, as ideas can be edited to make people change their minds. So they might vote that this is a bad idea at the beginning and then change their minds.

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Originally Posted by uikluspe

So this is pretty much a lava hound that targets inferno towers, but it's actually expected to destroy them and is fully regenerated when it does so? Another way of defending them is to put your inferno tower to single target, because with a 1v1, the inferno tower would win in this case.

Other than the fact that it's a lava hound that targets something else, i kind of like this troop

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Sp what would you suggest the Phoenix do instead?

I noticed that you decided to reduce its health on all levels by 1000 but it only has 1000 health at lvl 1 so I am assuming u meant 100 health?
Very good idea on the whole. I'm not familiar with TH 10 very much but it seems like the phoenix's will go charging of into the middle of the base by themselves like the lava hounds. The lava hounds have far more health than your phoenix preposition and they seem to get melted as it is. aAlso the inferno towers are almost always directly in the middle of the base. Your practically saying that a low level drag goes solo/duo into the middle of a TH 10 base and is expected to survive lvl 7-8 ADs. Maybe it takes less damage from ADs as well?

Maybe give it some utility power as well. Maybe a frost phoenix...? Slows down attack speed of defenses in an area around it? Maybe 2x damage verses infernos?

This is a great idea! I would love to see this in the game! It would unlock so many different strategies. Can't wait to see if Supercell adds this to the game.

a couple of questions and suggestions:

-please explain the rebirth effect. (do they instantly respawn with full health? do they respawn when they die? how is it indicated?)

-The attack scaling is too high. it gets 3 times his original DPS over the course of 3 levels, which is really high. (Dragons only get like 1.5 times the attack over the course of 5 levels.)
The same goes for the hp.
I suggest it having 1,200/1,500/1,800 Hp (which is still incredibly high scaling, just a bit reduced) and 160/220/280 DPS.

-you can increase its attack speed to balance him a bit more. with its 30 housing space, you generally won't use more than 2, which means their rebirth should be easier to accomplish (if i understand the mechanic right, it isn't explained). This means you want to have him dealing the last blow, which is better done by increasing the attack speed (DPS stays the same, DPH changes)

-increase the research cost by a few thousands, don't forget it's dark barracks level 7.

i like ur idea,3 starring th10 or 11 might be a bit easy

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Originally Posted by Liwa

i like ur idea,3 starring th10 or 11 might be a bit easy

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Agreed. :smirk:

One thing I think would be cool to add to this is an increasing attack stat while locked on to the same target (like the inferno tower) and the ability to change to multi target at the expense of attack damage and range. Something to think about! Cool idea

I like the pheonix as a myth - would be great to have it in game!
Problem: There are many good ideas and SC have to decide, maybe a third type of barracks were a good idea :)