80% of raids were snipes, now they're trophy drops. How is this an improvement again?

A lot of PBT update supporters have been saying how eliminating the free shield somehow makes more sense in terms of how the game should "appropriately" be played. Most of these discussions revolve around the concern that essentially not having to really worry about resource protection de-legitimizes the game. But what I've been observing is that the "legitimate" attacks inspired by this new update that would purportedly be motivated by winning, trophies, stars, loot, and/or percent destruction (in other words, attacking for anything other than JUST loot) simply just haven't appeared yet for me.

My defense log has changed drastically altered ever since throwing down all my de on my AQ29 upgrade as a near max TH9 - which makes sense because only maybe 20% of all players raiding at any given time are looking for something other than loot, right?

Looking at the log, 8/11 of my previous defenses are people attacking me with a single troop so they can drop trophies, including the 1st five raids immediately after my de store was basically emptied. Guess what the very next raid was? Someone most likely hitting my full mines/collectors/drills within an hour of me waking up (played this game a long time, I instinctively check it 1st thing in the morning) because the entire night people were clicking next upon seeing my base. I can't 100% confirm that was what the raid was, because the newer version of the update's maintenance break wiped it out. But then again, why would anyone attack a nearly max th9 with very little available loot? And yes, the first person to do so was a terrible attack by a guy that dropped 28 giants, and 100 archers straight into my ringus base. Hmm, makes me feel SO much better about my resource defending ability, thanks update!

The largest false assumption that the pro-PBT update community makes with this argument is that the majority of players raiding at any given time are motivated by 'glory', or whatever you want to call it, not loot. At least prior to this update players got something for properly farming - a free shield. Now, to better protect my loot I've been given an additional chore of making sure I disseminate enough of my trophies to everyone protecting their loot before I prep my base to farm. I've been given a unique perspective to this update as a nearly max th9, and I would feel no less "legit" a clasher if I went back to only occasionally getting my de store robbed by a th9+ even with my th in the corner, instead of losing 10k de across 4 straight raids while trying to save up for my 6th-to-last hero upgrade at th9. But then again, I'm probably just an inexperienced clasher with yet another complaint thread...

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...phies-dropping

I wasn't the first one to make this observation

Funny how the majority of players are not playing the game SC wants. How dare people drop trophies.....we need to fix that! :facepalm:

If they want people to do full on raids, then why do they allow people to drop a single troop? Why do they allow people to raid without full army camps? :rolleyes:

No amount of logic or reasoning will change the opinions of either the fanboys or SC - despite some highly intelligent posts on the subject of why their update was not good. Unfortunately it's not about the gameplay - it's about gems.

I shouldn't have to spell this out but for those who don't do irony - the opening sentences are not meant to be taken literally....

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Originally Posted by Ferg

If they want people to do full on raids, then why do they allow people to drop a single troop? Why do they allow people to raid without full army camps? :rolleyes:

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Seems like an easy fix to me...

i havent dropped yet... i actually find good loot at masters using my still relatively cheap attack (loonion and max haste is OP especially with everyone and their bad sweeper placement)

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Originally Posted by agentcabbage

A lot of PBT update supporters have been saying how eliminating the free shield somehow makes more sense in terms of how the game should "appropriately" be played. Most of these discussions revolve around the concern that essentially not having to really worry about resource protection de-legitimizes the game. But what I've been observing is that the "legitimate" attacks inspired by this new update that would purportedly be motivated by winning, trophies, stars, loot, and/or percent destruction (in other words, attacking for anything other than JUST loot) simply just haven't appeared yet for me.

My defense log has changed drastically altered ever since throwing down all my de on my AQ29 upgrade as a near max TH9 - which makes sense because only maybe 20% of all players raiding at any given time are looking for something other than loot, right?

Looking at the log, 8/11 of my previous defenses are people attacking me with a single troop so they can drop trophies, including the 1st five raids immediately after my de store was basically emptied. Guess what the very next raid was? Someone most likely hitting my full mines/collectors/drills within an hour of me waking up (played this game a long time, I instinctively check it 1st thing in the morning) because the entire night people were clicking next upon seeing my base. I can't 100% confirm that was what the raid was, because the newer version of the update's maintenance break wiped it out. But then again, why would anyone attack a nearly max th9 with very little available loot? And yes, the first person to do so was a terrible attack by a guy that dropped 28 giants, and 100 archers straight into my ringus base. Hmm, makes me feel SO much better about my resource defending ability, thanks update!

The largest false assumption that the pro-PBT update community makes with this argument is that the majority of players raiding at any given time are motivated by 'glory', or whatever you want to call it, not loot. At least prior to this update players got something for properly farming - a free shield. Now, to better protect my loot I've been given an additional chore of making sure I disseminate enough of my trophies to everyone protecting their loot before I prep my base to farm. I've been given a unique perspective to this update as a nearly max th9, and I would feel no less "legit" a clasher if I went back to only occasionally getting my de store robbed by a th9+ even with my th in the corner, instead of losing 10k de across 4 straight raids while trying to save up for my 6th-to-last hero upgrade at th9. But then again, I'm probably just an inexperienced clasher with yet another complaint thread...

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1) pro-update does not mean automatically accepting every part of the update. Almost every pro-update were not happy about the PBT. It was buggy and unreasonable, but now it is fixed. At best, it is seen as necessary inconvenience.

2) dropping trophies do not hide bases like th-snipe raids. So the comparison is invalid. Furthermore, trophy dropping and climbing were always part of the farming component of the game. Unless you are the kind of player content in being in one spot.

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Originally Posted by HaveANiceDay

1) pro-update does not mean automatically accepting every part of the update. Almost every pro-update were not happy about the PBT. It was buggy and unreasonable, but now it is fixed. At best, it is seen as necessary inconvenience.

2) dropping trophies do not hide bases like th-snipe raids. So the comparison is invalid. Furthermore, trophy dropping and climbing were always part of the farming component of the game. Unless you are the kind of player content in being in one spot.

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Don't remember bringing up PBT at all in my post, I'm simply just calling it the "PBT update" We could call it the "trophy dropping update" if that's more preferred nomenclature. I'd say its 2/3rds "fixed" and nowhere near necessary, its a clever bandwidth saving device...

The only time I've had to switch leagues in the last 6 months has been to push up to Masters for de pre-update, and once to drop a lot to save de post-update. Plenty of upward lift post-update from the trophy droppers too, I have to drop trophies myself occasionally just to stay in Crystal I.

So, how is this comparison invalid when they are roughly numerically identical? I know 8/11 is 72%, just slightly generous on my rounding. But then again, others are saying the same thing, the 5th pst on this similar thread shows 31/40, so even closer to 80% with 4x more trials...

Showing last 20 raids were snipes

If only that happened to me, it would be easier to stay in champs while farming. Oh wait, I'm not hiding in low leagues.

If you don't like dropping trophies then stop dropping trophies.

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Originally Posted by Genos1213

I'm not hiding in low leagues

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Neither am I. Its called FARMING. 21 previous raids, lost a combined 2,636 de, none of those raids individually took over 1k de. If you can essentially eliminate your lost loot, you basically gain everything you earn from raiding. And besides, being in Champs doesn't mean what it used to - across these raids I'm up 199 trophies and moved from C1 to M3. I could run up to Champs at any time, buy why risk entering an arena with people that more than likely are looking for my de? Oh yeah, 'glory', right?

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...D-Cup-Droppage

Lolz

On average, 6 out of 7 attacks for me are now trophy drops as I can't survive in higher league. Sorry if it troubles people.

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1 upside of the update is being able to scroll though revenges without losing shield or any penalty. I rarely revenge attacked before the update, but now I have a constant supply of new options with all of the trophy dropping attacks. I am up 50k DE today mainly from revenge raids using Giants/barch/hero combos.

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Originally Posted by Hammad80

If you get attacked 3 times whether you get 30% destruction on your base or not, you automatically get a shield.

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NO you don't

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Originally Posted by Monkeyhole

NO you don't

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You don't? I read somewhere in the update SC mentioned the "mercy" or something where you get a shield on the third attack regardless. Let me try to find the source.

Or... Maybe you are just noticing the snipes now because you aren't hidden behind a free shield anymore?

Food for thought.

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Originally Posted by Monkeyhole

NO you don't

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Originally Posted by Hammad80

You don't? I read somewhere in the update SC mentioned the "mercy" or something where you get a shield on the third attack regardless. Let me try to find the source.

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Yep you're right. I misread it. Here's what I was referring to: http://imgur.com/QuK9XR3

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Originally Posted by LachNessMeownster

Or... Maybe you are just noticing the snipes now because you aren't hidden behind a free shield anymore?

Food for thought.

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I guess their solution to this will be you won't lose trophies if you lose raid like in boombeach. I wish they just introduced daily reward for trophy level and regardless of base current loot, the base will hold some loot. Like in bb again. That itself would have solved this issue.

Like add "so and so loot to th levels" th10 will have 200k of gold and lix added to their base as target regardless of they have any loot. Extra loot to be gained will be added over this and taken from player's base loot.

And simple incentive like daily reward for trophy league level like 5 times of league bonus every day would solve people going to lower leagues. But no they want to force us to move up but don't want to give us anything that makes us want to get there ourselves

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Originally Posted by LachNessMeownster

Or... Maybe you are just noticing the snipes now because you aren't hidden behind a free shield anymore?

Food for thought.

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I always paid attention to defenses pre-update just to make sure I didn't lose resources. I would say AT MOST 1 out of every 50 raids pre-update were trophy drops.

What does PBT mean?

I farm with war troops!! 4x max golem, 20x max wiz, 1x max pekka, 6x max wall breakers, 3x max archers,
2x freeze spells, 2x rage spells, 1x jump spell, 1x haste spell.....
this is me farming in champ league. WAY TO GO SUPERCELL! :facepalm::mad::thumbsdown:

Next update you will only get a % of lost cups depending on how many troops are deployed

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Originally Posted by lanesteele240

Next update you will only get a % of lost cups depending on how many troops are deployed

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Then next update I will simply stop playing

I'm in Silver II and every night I get trophy dumped on and I go all the way up to Silver I. It's getting real annoying as I have to keep dropping down again. I have 50 defence wins now lol.

Edit: Wow, I just got another one...

I still don't get it. So the game wasn't played the way they envisioned, but some did. You could push or you could expose your th and farm. Now we no longer have the choice to play the way we want.

I really wish I hadn't spent years of my life and some of my hard earned money on this game. I'll be uninstalling in a couple of weeks unless something changes.

Hey Supercell? I think if you were to change it back, we'd be so happy to get back to our game we wouldn't even point out how much egg was on your face.

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Originally Posted by MuSone

I farm with war troops!! 4x max golem, 20x max wiz, 1x max pekka, 6x max wall breakers, 3x max archers,
2x freeze spells, 2x rage spells, 1x jump spell, 1x haste spell.....
this is me farming in champ league. WAY TO GO SUPERCELL! :facepalm::mad::thumbsdown:

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Either you are way too high (trophy pushing) and not farming at all, or you need to learn how to use more efficient troops. (Hint: I made it to 3700 without trying as a TH10 without using any troop more expensive than a wizard). Either way, you can't blame SC.