Legitimate ideas to return casual gameplay

Let me start this by saying I don't have a problem defending once in a while. 2-4 times per day is fine in my book. My problem is that it will be exceedingly difficult to save DE for big ticket hero upgrades or even higher level research at TH9. You do get hit...hard...if you are anywhere near the loot cap for DE now. Casual folks who only raid a couple times a day will now find it very hard to get something like level 2 witches. I will list some proposed changes. I am hoping for serious discussion. I like the new system as a whole but feel it has ruined the game for several clan members, so hopefully one or two of these ideas will be taken up by Supercell.

1. Have a "free" attack per day or per shield that does nothing to your shield. Can still charge the usual nexting cost, just don't deduct shield. Just one. After that, start deducting the shield.
2. Extend the village guard for lower trophy levels. Honestly, 15 minutes is nearly pointless. If you aren't in a clan that has someone online 24/7, you are guaranteed to get smashed if you didn't get a good shield after getting hit once. Bump it up to an hour to line up with a 5 gem boost.
3. Reduced cost of collector boosting. Perhaps tie this to whichever resource was stolen. If you got hit for 80% of the loot cap for that resource, make the gem boost for that resource half off or a flat rate 5 gems or whatever. Shorten the length of this boost if you want to make it work.
4. Longer shield for getting hit hard. My least favorite idea but probably easiest to implement.

Hopefully the community here can think of other items. Just trying to keep a few guys who I've been mates with from quitting.

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Originally Posted by gregenstein

Let me start this by saying I don't have a problem defending once in a while. 2-4 times per day is fine in my book. My problem is that it will be exceedingly difficult to save DE for big ticket hero upgrades or even higher level research at TH9. You do get hit...hard...if you are anywhere near the loot cap for DE now. Casual folks who only raid a couple times a day will now find it very hard to get something like level 2 witches. I will list some proposed changes. I am hoping for serious discussion. I like the new system as a whole but feel it has ruined the game for several clan members, so hopefully one or two of these ideas will be taken up by Supercell.

1. Have a "free" attack per day or per shield that does nothing to your shield. Can still charge the usual nexting cost, just don't deduct shield. Just one. After that, start deducting the shield. Would like to see this happen
2. Extend the village guard for lower trophy levels. Honestly, 15 minutes is nearly pointless. If you aren't in a clan that has someone online 24/7, you are guaranteed to get smashed if you didn't get a good shield after getting hit once. Bump it up to an hour to line up with a 5 gem boost. That's so people push higher...think it is fine as is.
3. Reduced cost of collector boosting. Perhaps tie this to whichever resource was stolen. If you got hit for 80% of the loot cap for that resource, make the gem boost for that resource half off or a flat rate 5 gems or whatever. Shorten the length of this boost if you want to make it work. Collector farming isn't what should be promoted.
4. Longer shield for getting hit hard. My least favorite idea but probably easiest to implement. Any suggestions on how long?

Hopefully the community here can think of other items. Just trying to keep a few guys who I've been mates with from quitting.

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Responses in bold.

I'll tell you exactly how to fix this game in 3 simple updates.

Update #1: Remove PBT and implement the 6 hour rule as previous. The coding exists and should be super simple to put back in.

Update #2: Base your league bonus on the % of your troops costs and the % done to the base your attacking. If you want to promote higher game play, then REWARD the players to use the more expensive troops.

Examples of #2:
Silver: 40% refunded
Gold: 60% refunded
Crystal: 80% refunded
Masters: 90% refunded
Champs: 100% refunded
Titan+: 110% refunded

You know what this means? If you use an army that costs 500k elixir and 7k Dark Elixir, and you 100% someone while in champs league, you will profit the amount you "traded" stole from another player. The cost of the attack was FREE to you, while you only transfered the loot between players. Now if I attacked someone and only got 60%, I would only get 60% of those troops back. At least its not a kick in the mouth and complete loss. This will promote trophy pushing, while promoting war style attacks.

Update #3: Reduce training times, simply just takes too long to do, game gets very boring when you have to sit and wait 2 hours for your troops to train.

Please post your feedback on this.

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Originally Posted by Radiating

Responses in bold.

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For the longer shield, I think it would probably have to be maybe up to an additional 6 hours, depending on % damage.

I am not openly advocating outright collector farming. Just a small, cheap, up to 5 gem boost for maybe 6 hours. Again, just to allow a more a better recovery of losses.

One other thought I had just now was to decrease the loot caps so you don't lose as much, but increase the league bonuses. So the loot cap for DE at TH9 maybe drops from 2500 to 2000, but the league bonus for a successful attack increases depending on your league. This way you lose a little less when you get raked over the coals, but stand to gain more from being in higher leagues. But it can't just apply to Titan leagues and Legends. Crystal, Masters, and Champion would all need proportionate increases.

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Originally Posted by AeroCloud

I'll tell you exactly how to fix this game in 3 simple updates.

Update #1: Remove PBT and implement the 6 hour rule as previous. The coding exists and should be super simple to put back in.

Update #2: Base your league bonus on the % of your troops costs and the % done to the base your attacking. If you want to promote higher game play, then REWARD the players to use the more expensive troops.

Examples of #2:
Silver: 40% refunded
Gold: 60% refunded
Crystal: 80% refunded
Masters: 90% refunded
Champs: 100% refunded
Titan+: 110% refunded

You know what this means? If you use an army that costs 500k elixir and 7k Dark Elixir, and you 100% someone while in champs league, you will profit the amount you "traded" stole from another player. The cost of the attack was FREE to you, while you only transfered the loot between players. Now if I attacked someone and only got 60%, I would only get 60% of those troops back. At least its not a kick in the mouth and complete loss. This will promote trophy pushing, while promoting war style attacks.

Update #3: Reduce training times, simply just takes too long to do, game gets very boring when you have to sit and wait 2 hours for your troops to train.

Please post your feedback on this.

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i don't like the idea of refunding based on troops used. I'm good at attacking with giant/healer, a few wiz, 8 wb's, and a gaggle of barbs and archers. It would kind of eliminate the "preciousness" of dark elixir, which I don't think would be good.

The personal break timer I am ok with. I'd be ok with eliminating it whilst under shield. I've never run into it yet. I like forcing people to have to defend; I just don't like losing up to 10k de every day, depending on how much I raid. Once in a while I have gotten a good defence, but mostly, a semi skilled TH9 is typically able to 2 star just about any other TH9 and get their DE 75-85% of the time. And in Masters up, everyone pretty much has skill.

Some good ideas so far guys. My solution is this;

double the length of shields but also double length of time that your shield is reduced by, when you attack.

Lets say you're on holiday and you don't even want to think about clash, your base gets wrecked once. Shields up for a day, not a big deal.

You're busy but you're getting in your raids when you can, sweet as your shield will be down in the same amount of time as it is now.

You've found some time to clash, perfect. Shield isn't a factor.

First, what is the reason for getting rid of farming? I don't understand what the issue is. I don't have time to consistently raid to build up resources. Now, I've already lost 8000 DE since yesterday and I am the one many go to for help in regards to building a decent defending base. My drill only make 2400 DE a day. I can't attack multiple times a day. How do I keep up?
Second, if this can't go back so farming is available, then we do need some strategies like these guys are posting that will at least give a chance to someone like me to recoop some loot. Also, I like the idea of getting your percentage of successful raid back in elixer to compensate for army cost. Another way I'm loosing resources. Not many bases can give enough elixer to pay for my army.

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Originally Posted by gregenstein

i don't like the idea of refunding based on troops used. I'm good at attacking with giant/healer, a few wiz, 8 wb's, and a gaggle of barbs and archers. It would kind of eliminate the "preciousness" of dark elixir, which I don't think would be good.

The personal break timer I am ok with. I'd be ok with eliminating it whilst under shield. I've never run into it yet. I like forcing people to have to defend; I just don't like losing up to 10k de every day, depending on how much I raid. Once in a while I have gotten a good defence, but mostly, a semi skilled TH9 is typically able to 2 star just about any other TH9 and get their DE 75-85% of the time. And in Masters up, everyone pretty much has skill.

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THAT is a huge problem with the update, so you are forcing me to guard my TH so I get a shield but always lose 2000 DE because of it, this is more stupid then when zaping was allowed.

What can be done to fit the changes:
higher win bonus, I MEAN HIGHER loot bonus, like double to triple to the current loot bonuses in higher leagues, basically enough so that actually winning with a time cost army (what you need to do in higher leagues) basically gives you more gold/ elixer/ DDE per hour then having th 8/9/10 in 500 trophies or less farming 300000elixer/gold off barsh on inactive bases. The problem with this game since I started to play was not the free shield for letting the TH sit out, but how much more you get from inactive attacks with cheap armies vs being high up in league having to use a more expensive army.

having something cost 5+ million or 100000+DE for just some upgrade while losing 200000gold/elixir and 2000 DE every 5 hours is a bit ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by gregenstein

Let me start this by saying I don't have a problem defending once in a while. 2-4 times per day is fine in my book. My problem is that it will be exceedingly difficult to save DE for big ticket hero upgrades or even higher level research at TH9. You do get hit...hard...if you are anywhere near the loot cap for DE now. Casual folks who only raid a couple times a day will now find it very hard to get something like level 2 witches. I will list some proposed changes. I am hoping for serious discussion. I like the new system as a whole but feel it has ruined the game for several clan members, so hopefully one or two of these ideas will be taken up by Supercell.

1. Have a "free" attack per day or per shield that does nothing to your shield. Can still charge the usual nexting cost, just don't deduct shield. Just one. After that, start deducting the shield.
2. Extend the village guard for lower trophy levels. Honestly, 15 minutes is nearly pointless. If you aren't in a clan that has someone online 24/7, you are guaranteed to get smashed if you didn't get a good shield after getting hit once. Bump it up to an hour to line up with a 5 gem boost.
3. Reduced cost of collector boosting. Perhaps tie this to whichever resource was stolen. If you got hit for 80% of the loot cap for that resource, make the gem boost for that resource half off or a flat rate 5 gems or whatever. Shorten the length of this boost if you want to make it work.
4. Longer shield for getting hit hard. My least favorite idea but probably easiest to implement.

Hopefully the community here can think of other items. Just trying to keep a few guys who I've been mates with from quitting.

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Haven't been attacked for 2 days in Silver..

Not even collector raided..

It's just like a shield

I agree completely with momozb!

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Originally Posted by Ahsuntry

Haven't been attacked for 2 days in Silver..

Not even collector raided..

It's just like a shield

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Maybe I'll try that with my second account. Honestly though, this sounds more like a temporary solution to a permanent problem. If enough people go down to Silver, which seems likely to happen with the frustration my clan mates in general are seeing, then it will end up just like Masters is right now.

Well I can report that I just went 24 hours without being attacked in Gold 2 with my TH8.5 account, including a completely unshielded overnight. Note though I only have about 20k DE, so I am not yet at the loot cap. I just picked up the collectors and for over 50k loot in each and over 1000 DE in each lvl5 de drill.

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Originally Posted by AeroCloud

I'll tell you exactly how to fix this game in 3 simple updates.

Update #1: Remove PBT and implement the 6 hour rule as previous. The coding exists and should be super simple to put back in.

Update #2: Base your league bonus on the % of your troops costs and the % done to the base your attacking. If you want to promote higher game play, then REWARD the players to use the more expensive troops.

Examples of #2:
Silver: 40% refunded
Gold: 60% refunded
Crystal: 80% refunded
Masters: 90% refunded
Champs: 100% refunded
Titan+: 110% refunded

You know what this means? If you use an army that costs 500k elixir and 7k Dark Elixir, and you 100% someone while in champs league, you will profit the amount you "traded" stole from another player. The cost of the attack was FREE to you, while you only transfered the loot between players. Now if I attacked someone and only got 60%, I would only get 60% of those troops back. At least its not a kick in the mouth and complete loss. This will promote trophy pushing, while promoting war style attacks.

Update #3: Reduce training times, simply just takes too long to do, game gets very boring when you have to sit and wait 2 hours for your troops to train.

Please post your feedback on this.

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I like all 3 that you've said, but with the bonuses, are you proposing to do away with the gold bonus, make it equal to your elixir bonus, or a percentage of your nexting cost?

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Originally Posted by bkimbro

I like all 3 that you've said, but with the bonuses, are you proposing to do away with the gold bonus, make it equal to your elixir bonus, or a percentage of your nexting cost?

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I would say that you wouldn't really need gold bonus much... because you wouldn't have to be as picky about the bases you raid. However you do bring up a good point, it could not be based upon the nexting costs, but maybe a fixed amount based on your TH level.

Lets say it pays 30 x what a next costs for your TH in win bonus. So the first 30 nexts are free, each after costs you.

Honestly, I had a hard time finding bases that could compensate my army costs. I know I could have made cheaper armies but I also wanted to push myself on bigger bases.

Farming made up for what would be lost in army costs and heavy raids against my base.

It all worked out in the end. Lose some here, farm to regain losses. I don't understand what was broken about that system and what this update is supposed to accomplish.

I can see if a player were to play many, many hours and make a lot of raids through the shield where they may be able to progress. Even good progress.
The problem is that I cannot play more than I already do.

I really like this game... I've supported it by buying gems... I have recruited people to play. But now I am morally convicted about that. this game has the ability to be a destructive tool in people's lives if it becomes an imbalance to their priorities. Now that the only way to progress in this game is to give more (at least for anyone not in the upper echelon) I must choose between my responsibilities or continuing to be successful in a game.

I will not give anymore time in order to be successful. If I cannot play this game and progress (the whole concept of this game) then I will be done. I'd rather not have to make that choice, but that's what I'm left with in the current state of the game.

Supercell, please bring back the option to farm and progress for those of us who cannot give anymore!