Prediction: upcoming sneak peak heroes available all the time

Think about it in light of recent and upcoming changes.

1) removal of DE zapping

2) 3hr kick off to ensure more defending and other changes designed to encourage proper defending (24/7 heroes mean we get them on regular defenses as well as to attack with)

3) No more TH snipes and changes to loot bonuses meaning less DE generated from higher league without spending resources.

I think supercell is going this direction. They will do what everyone is saying they will not. Heroes will be available all the time. DE, not the upgrade time, will be the new constraint in hero progression. They will make the money elsewhere via increased boosting of troops, hero boosting and DE drill boosts. They may also increase the DE amount required to do the upgrades.

I am willing to bet and guessing supercell is thinking the same that increased velocity of micro transactions will net higher profits than the few odd whales who gem their heroes.

People who pay to gem heroes result in no revenue once they quickly max them anyhow. The larger amount of money on the table is all of us with closed wallets not willing to pay to gem hero upgrade times.

Supercell will increase their net profits many times over with this. We all will get a better game. I am looking forward to this sneak peak and very excited for the update! #holiday wish heroes 24/7

your number 1 duh!😑

nope. do you realize that SC makes 10 dollars every time people gem those 7-day hero upgrades? And people are desperate to do that just to win clan wars. This is one of SC's major sources of income.

Sorry to disappoint you...

The 2 most requested feature from the Clash community : Hero's usable in War while upgrading and Clan War Tournaments have already been ruled out from the the so called biggest update of Clash of Clans...

I do realize how much it costs to gem hero time. I also realize the difference between one time purchases (viewing cumulative cost of gemming hero time to max) vs indefinite and ongoing purchases from many people boosting their heroes because they are available all the time.

Its pretty clear to me that heroes 24/7 will be more profitable. With the huge changes being made it looks like now is the time. Good going supercell, # i believe in you.

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Originally Posted by disconnectedFS

Think about it in light of recent and upcoming changes.

1) removal of DE zapping

2) 3hr kick off to ensure more defending and other changes designed to encourage proper defending (24/7 heroes mean we get them on regular defenses as well as to attack with)

3) No more TH snipes and changes to loot bonuses meaning less DE generated from higher league without spending!

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I'd love for this to be accurate, but I can't see it happening. You have to always keep in mind that they are a business first. They have a great game because that's what gets the business, not the other way around.

Same with any company. I know it's in vogue right now to bash "greedy corporations" but they are providing a solid product with some convenience factors to provide profits.

I can't blame you for wanting it though, because I want it too. I also want free twinkies with every purchase of a gallon of milk, but I'd buy the milk even without twinkies free. Just like we will play the game without heros in war while upgrading.

The only options are 1) pray that they find it in their hearts to cut their own profits 2) show them that hero availability costs them more to not have (as in a boycott, mass exodus, etc...)

In'shallah, meaning there will be twinkies if God wills it.

I like where your head is at though!

I do not predict this will happen solely because it is good for the game.

It is going to happen because supercell is a smart company and will realize they can make more $ with this change.

The comments saying "it will not happen because supercell is a business" are missing the point.

I predict this change will happen precisely because supercell is a smart company that wants to maximize their potential profit.

*praying for this to happen*

This thread should be merged with the wishful, not happening sneak peek post.

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Originally Posted by Mystery93

*praying for this to happen*

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Praying against you for this to not happen

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Originally Posted by dkaoboy

Praying against you for this to not happen

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Still *praying for this to happen* :p

Nope, Supersell ain't letting this happen any time soon.

I shall emerge the Nostradamus of clash and necro this thread to make the nay sayers eat their words. Just watch, Supercell will do this because they are smart and will make even more money in alternate ways.

I'm a bit slow. Care to tell me how it will be more profitable?

but...

more profitable because

1) other changes combined resulting in DE being the constraint not upgrade time which results in...

2) more DE drill boosting

3) more hero boosting (you cant boost sleeping heroes)

4) more boosting in general because I cant be the only player who just logs to minis when the heroes on their main is upgrading. (minis if you have a few can live off trees so you don't spend on these accounts)

5) Better long term profits via better retention and a funner game.

6) greater incentive to straight out buy DE. You would have to be a pretty hardcore gemmer to gem both upgrade time and the DE itself. But if you can arn't looking at losing your heroes you might buy that last remaining DE at the end of a session and start the upgrade knowing you can farm more with the hero later.

7) goodwill: my first gem purchase was not because i wanted an in game advantage. What broke my cherry was playing for months in a game i enjoyed and wanting to reward the company for a job well done. That first purchase was only a $4.99 thank you to supercell.

Make a good game and consumers will reward. Once you lose that gemming virginity you just want it.

Note: Gemming hero upgrade time is finite. Once max level you stop gemming that. Happy customers boosting the things listed in the above points is indefinite, an infinite source of revenue.

They might not do it, because it will surely be not fair to countless no of players who have gemmed their heroes up until now.

But yea I do wish for it.

Galadon talked with Jonas and he made a video answering some questions last Friday.

The developer said about upgrading Heroes available in War: Not at this time, but we are, however, looking into other ways to help dedicated war players keep warring at full strength more often.
For example: if we add a clan war tournament game mode to the game for these players, it would absolutely always have heroes always available during war.

https://youtu.be/A-FU9ZaBnTw

@ mido, good information. I am glad i am out here trying to make some coherent points that will hopefully catch the right eyes and sway the decision.

@kantu. What about those who allready maxed heroes? If I am correct and the change results in greater revenue then supercell can keep putting out those updates. 24/7 use while upgrading will also help maxed hero players as there will be new heroes and new hero levels.

Also as I have suggested earlier, if DE is the new constraint, it is not as if max heroes becomes free. There will be even greater competition for DE as everyone who was casually working on heroes will be scrambling for the resource. Suddenly options like i listed above such as boosting drills becomes more attractive.

It is not like max heroes is exclusive. Anyone can come along and spend to get them instantly. I am not suggesting a free ride, but a more fun way to achieve the same goal. Supercell can make just as much, I would argue more, with 24/7 available heroes and for the reasons i outlined in the OP I believe they know this and are closer to acting than ever before.

highly doubt it. when i reached th8 i gemmed my bk time all the way to lvl 10, at th9 ive gemmed my aq time 3 times for lvl5 to lvl8 and il gem her again to lvl 10 and prob keep doing it as im a huge war fan i need heroes and hate missing wars.
i am not the only one either there are thousands of players like me and there will be thousands more.
but you say that ppl who gem hereos arent like the ppl with a tight wallet and may only spend small amounts here and there just for boosting? along with gemming hero time i also nearly always boost when i raid and now with the cut in boost time and price il prob boost more often. i dont spend a crazy amount on gems either maybe 20-30 euros a month and i dont mind paying it as its a great game, i play and enjoy playing it everyday, i dont drink that much i work hard for my money and il spend it on something i enjoy doing and i can be sure its the same with most ppl who spend cash on gems. so as long as theres ppl like me playing, sc will never kill a cash cow like a hero down during war im sorry

Edit: SC also ruled it out in a recent interview, not in so many words but you'd have to be stupid not to know that its what he was implying

yet in your own post you state the change in boosting from 10 gems for 2hrs to 5 gems for 1 hr will result in you spending more, why is that?

It is the same logic.

Giving greater control to the consumer regarding boost gemming and 24/7 hero usage is the same. It improves the fun element of the game. People spend more on things they enjoy more.

The trick is to change the value proposition so more want to spend on it. For the reasons outlined in my OP and other posts I think supercell is seeing the potential and making moves towards it.

Still trying to understand how supercell is gonna make money if they add this to the game. that make no sense what so ever and i got a headache just reading that. the're not gonna add that now and i doubt they ever will

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Originally Posted by disconnectedFS

yet in your own post you state the change in boosting from 10 gems for 2hrs to 5 gems for 1 hr will result in you spending more, why is that?

It is the same logic.

Giving greater control to the consumer regarding boost gemming and 24/7 hero usage is the same. It improves the fun element of the game. People spend more on things they enjoy more.

The trick is to change the value proposition so more want to spend on it. For the reasons outlined in my OP and other posts I think supercell is seeing the potential and making moves towards it.

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of course il spend more to boost now, but il still also gem my hero builds and so will everyone else who does the same. people post threads like this saying eventually heroes will be maxed and less whales for sc but you dont realise that coc is always growing, there's new players every day and that means new and a constant flow of cash as they too will also want their heroes in war , not all of them but more than a few

I spend 90 gems for every boost session.


I boost at absolute minimum 2X a day but only when heroes are up. So 90X2X7= 1260 gems.


1260 gems or possibly much more since 2X is absolute minimum and on some days i do 6-8X.


1260 gems not spent because I was not playing my main account and was on a mini that I do not spend $ on for one week.

Cost of gemming heroes 7 days is less. 1000 gems will gem a 7 day hero upgrade.


I am sure that I am not the only player like this. It is not that I am too cheap and unwilling to spend money on a game. It is that the value proposition is currently wrong.


So what of the people who will boost and gem hero time? I am willing to bet with a high degree of certainty that there are far more people out there to offset this amount willing to boost more if they could only use heroes all the time.

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Originally Posted by disconnectedFS

I spend 90 gems for every boost session.


I boost at absolute minimum 2X a day but only when heroes are up. So 90X2X7= 1260 gems.


1260 gems or possibly much more since 2X is absolute minimum and on some days i do 6-8X.


1260 gems not spent because I was not playing my main account and was on a mini that I do not spend $ on for one week.

Cost of gemming heroes 7 days is less. 1000 gems will gem a 7 day hero upgrade.


I am sure that I am not the only player like this. It is not that I am too cheap and unwilling to spend money on a game. It is that the value proposition is currently wrong.


So what of the people who will boost and gem hero time? I am willing to bet with a high degree of certainty that there are far more people out there to offset this amount willing to boost more if they could only use heroes all the time.

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not likely, a minimum of 4 hrs boosting a day? a minimum? and thats not including the time off boost just chatting to clan... man i play this game alot but you my friend, need to get out for some air before you turn into that idiot that claps at trees all day. i doubt theres many players that boost like this, most ppl have a life

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Originally Posted by HeroInWarWhileUpgrading

Sorry to disappoint you...

The 2 most requested feature from the Clash community : Hero's usable in War while upgrading and Clan War Tournaments have already been ruled out from the the so called biggest update of Clash of Clans...

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Actually buddy, Jonas in an interview with galadon said they are looking into/working on tournaments. Also because of how long a tournament would last galadon hinted at heros being available.

Is that what the sneaky mountain top is going to tell us?

It will never happen. It is sad, but you can see Supercell has given up on the game. There is only minimal development. TH11 is only to get a few more dollars from trophy pushers that need to gem it, because loot sucks. TH8 is what you can reach without boosting. You dont provide any income for Supercell, but your job is to get your friends to start playing. TH9 and th10 is where they get some gems from you with boosting and that is fair and if you want the newest th level, you have to gem it and gem every attack, because loot and league bonus do not pay your army costs. Loot has always been awful for th10s. It is only the last year that was acceptable, because they needed to prepare players for th11.

Op. I hope you are right. I'd be ok even be okay with just heroes available during wars.

i am concerned about not having heroes available for defense since there will be no town hall shields. If I see a base without aq, I have no qualms coring to the de with gibarch even with full lavas on a th9. It will be very hard to keep enough de to upgrade heroes.

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Originally Posted by disconnectedFS

I do not predict this will happen solely because it is good for the game.

It is going to happen because supercell is a smart company and will realize they can make more $ with this change.

The comments saying "it will not happen because supercell is a business" are missing the point.

I predict this change will happen precisely because supercell is a smart company that wants to maximize their potential profit.

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Real world example:

Who wins US presidential elections?

Statisically: the most money.

Now, who donates this money? Thousands upon thousands of citizens willing to do their part?

Or 5 seperate 1 billion dollar organizations?

You bet your behind its the conglomerates.

Microtransactions do NOT work economically. Selling high quantities of things at cheap prices is worse as opposed to selling a few really expensive things.

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Originally Posted by andrgin

It will never happen. It is sad, but you can see Supercell has given up on the game. There is only minimal development. TH11 is only to get a few more dollars from trophy pushers that need to gem it, because loot sucks. TH8 is what you can reach without boosting. You dont provide any income for Supercell, but your job is to get your friends to start playing. TH9 and th10 is where they get some gems from you with boosting and that is fair and if you want the newest th level, you have to gem it and gem every attack, because loot and league bonus do not pay your army costs. Loot has always been awful for th10s. It is only the last year that was acceptable, because they needed to prepare players for th11.

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Dude, you are a bit too positive XD

But on that heroes availability in wars. I don't think gemming heroes is THAT common than people here on forums think. No one in my clan of 45-50ppl gem heroes, we just pass wars when heroes are sleeping. Our opponents seems to do same. Forum people are more active players, but i think hero gemming is done in less than 1% of whole coc population. Its just too expensive for these 2 attacks.

So solution would be get them usable in war way that more than that 1% will use gems. Profit for players and SC, you know.

Like pausing update for one attack, cost like 10-20 gems. With that price gems would be used a LOT on this. Someone said, pausing upgrade for attack should cost 100 gems, but that would lead to same situation than now, no gems used (or used, but by very rare people).

I think SC main income come from large playerbase doing boosts here and there. Of course there is always whales, but they are rare.

They wouldn't make more money by doing that.

They already ruled this out of the update in the interview with Chief Pat, and insinuated it will never happen in the same interview when discussing the likely future addition of challenging clans to a war.

By introducing the village guard shield and its relatively low gem cost, I suspect SC are moving toward recurrent micro-transactions. To make these micro-transactions consistently profitable, they have to increase offense (i.e., people need to attack more often) and defense (i.e., people need to defend more often). They need players to lose resources so they'll attack more often. To compensate for losses, players will spend more gems on boosting heroes, collectors, DE pumps, spell factories, and barracks.

By shifting the profit generation away from content development (i.e., making money from players that spend gems on one time upgrades) toward continuous micro-transactions, it will 'disconnect' specific game content from real world profit. Along with many other benefits, it will allow SC a greater ability to introduce highly requested features (i.e., heroes in war) that will facilitate consumer satisfaction along with profit (i.e., players will boost heroes more often). It will also create a more stable/consistent source of real world profit. Profit will not be dependent on game content or player progress; instead, profit will be dependent on player activity level. Players who attack and defend more often will spend more gems.

I suspect heroes will not be available in war for a while. However, if the village guard shield is profitable, they will likely make heroes available more often so players can spend more gems.

SC will never have Heros in war whilst they are upgrading as they earn too much money and they are very greedy.

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Originally Posted by OMCKG

nope. do you realize that SC makes 10 dollars every time people gem those 7-day hero upgrades? And people are desperate to do that just to win clan wars. This is one of SC's major sources of income.

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Not even close, but ok

I understand what you are saying about boosting, but consider this: why wouldn't SC just have you gem the upgrade time AND boost the heroes?

Why would they eliminate one when they can just as easily push you into spending on both?

Nope.

10 nopes.

Supercell ain't going to do that anyone soon, probably when a better alternative comes along and the game starts to lose momentum. By that it will be all too late and they will suffer the faith of every other company that became too greedy.

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Originally Posted by HeroInWarWhileUpgrading

Sorry to disappoint you...

The 2 most requested feature from the Clash community : Hero's usable in War while upgrading and Clan War Tournaments have already been ruled out from the the so called biggest update of Clash of Clans...

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They ruled out th11.... so....

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Originally Posted by cargovroomvroom

They ruled out th11.... so....

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They did not. They ruled out antizapping, but not th11