Loot, League Bonuses and Trophy Offers <-- Discuss it HERE!

Galadon said "think of it like a tax increase but with the opportunity for an increase in income if you raid harder". I see the increase in tax but not the mitigation. More % loot will now be lost to a good attacker. Cost of traps xbows etc same. As sc said. You will get raided more often. So loot loss to raiding will go up. Cost of defence will go up due to more defences expected over time. If you want to persuade ppl to play this game only the way you insist then why the stick and stick approach? Surely defence bonus would have removed the need for all these changes? What encoragement is their to improve defence for farmers? (I dont mean cos your gonna lose everything if you dont. That's not encoraging, its blackmailing) we could always get more loot by raiding harder but there are a few players who enjoy raiding once or twice only on most days because they have to fit in around work/school/real life. Despite supercells insistance that forcing people to play in one way only rather than the plethora of play styles previously found by the customer base. We do not all play or want to play the way th10 utubers do. Get it through your heads this stick and stick but no carrot approach is by far the worst idea ive ever seen in a game and ive been gaming since pong first came out

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Originally Posted by ItsZez

They can't give something back to you if you already have it.

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It's a petition I'm advance to avoid the unavoidable disaster... :p...

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Originally Posted by ItsZez

Yes you can...you change it. If you leave the game the same and only add more content it is just more of the same. This change will not only spiff up the
game but will also make it more competitive and attract a variety of people. I believe this is a great change for the game...some will quit, that's for sure but there are always others to take their place. I believe most will love this update when it comes out and will realize it's not as complicated and horrible as they believe it to be.

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I got it... Supercell developer trying defend they failed concept...


well you wrong. The ppl only download the game from AppStore so much if they hear or see it by other ppl... Like at school/work/bus/train..... But when nobody will want you game after the update no1 will downloaded again.

SC have clearly a) living in the box without even knowing how realy they game is played and why it is so successful
or. b) they forced by the investors to milk out this cow completely to death.... Probably the last one is the true..... Since lots of other game company's runned by the same fat wallet investor ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s who completely don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about game experience or the quality.... They see this simply as product what need to generate so much bucks as possible before it dies.

that the toxic age of gaming design we living now. Wish the 80-90 were back in game production.

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Originally Posted by SCOTE

You can still pick off collectors, you're just going to find less bases with their th out... collector may not be as full as they won't be building for twelve hours if the th was out...but they're not going away

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Yes that is correct and most of the ones that didn't get the shield will be in higher leagues because they are gaining trophies...which is good loot with the bonus.

with this sneak peak, the next sneak peak needs to be telling us that troop/spell COST AND TRAINING TIME has been reduced. otherwise all of the elixir farmed is dropped right back into these expensive troops you want us to use. not to mention the time it takes to create these armies. I see elixir/dark elixir running dry quickly and the economy breaking down. it will be as bad as when you let everyone dump all their elixir into their walls ♥♥♥♥.. what a fiasco :facepalm:

http://www.androidheadlines.com/2015...ash-clans.html

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Originally Posted by jamlc1m

#NotGoingToUpgrade ?

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#MandatoryUpdate...

I've actively been farming and rushed to th8, because I enjoy min/maxing and have been able to compensate for losses by farming more with maxed farming troops. Rushing hasn't been popular to begin with, but I think it should be possible for people to play the game in more than one way.

I spent money to get more builders, since enough loot has been coming in to keep them busy. Now with the upcoming update, I won't be able to defend any loot and I'm at a high risk to get attacked by less than 50% of my th's potential troop capacity.

Basically, with these upcoming changes I fear I won't be able to reasonably progress anymore and that I'll lose interest in a game that has started to become really fun for me, now that I'm at a townhall level where the gameplay is getting rich and varied, especially in clan wars.

I think that anyone who has TH9 will suffer a lot to farm, since it will not show low level of village to attack. TH9 attacking TH10 to get resources without ice spell and still having to face hell towers? Like this is going to be pretty boring to play ...

sorry my english...

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Originally Posted by Sidss007

#MandatoryUpdate...

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#IhaveMyLifeback

seriously... looks like the game won't be fun anymore...

I was fine with the previous 2 changes. I'm very apprehensive about this one though. I was really hoping for changes to defensive wins so that winning on defense actually means something. Plus I was hoping for a little relief from re-arming traps.

But the loot bonuses don't seem to be dramatically increased. It'd be one thing if it stopped there, but the percentage thing...really? I really don't know about that. It does seem as if they are pushing people to do more full attacks, which is ok I guess but that's what war us for. I'm not concerned with loot in war except for the bonus of winning. When not in war I'm farming. From time to time I do full attacks to practice, but it's time consuming and expensive. That's why no one does full attacks all the time.

I don't see how I'm supposed to do full attacks all the time and somehow make more loot than the previous game model. So I'll be raiding less frequently with more expensive armies, and the loot is better?

I don't know about this one.....

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Originally Posted by cyberus

I got it... Supercell developer trying defend they failed concept...


well you wrong. The ppl only download the game from AppStore so much if they hear or see it by other ppl... Like at school/work/bus/train..... But when nobody will want you game after the update no1 will downloaded again.

SC have clearly a) living in the box without even knowing how realy they game is played and why it is so successful
or. b) they forced by the investors to milk out this cow completely to death.... Probably the last one is the true..... Since lots of other game company's runned by the same fat wallet investor ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s who completely don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about game experience or the quality.... They see this simply as product what need to generate so much bucks as possible before it dies.

that the toxic age of gaming design we living now. Wish the 80-90 were back in game production.

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Advertising is a big player draw...they can make an add announcing th11 and advertise the new shield and loot system saying the game is more competive than ever. That would draw lots in! The 80s and 90s they released a game and left it for 7 years without being updated. That is why gaming wasn't as big back then. They care about the game experience and the quality. If the clashers arent happy they don't get any money...

Someone at supercell needs to grow a pair and suspend this intended update before its too late. Novel idea that nearly all successful companies adopt is to ask what their customers want and try to give it to them not just pander to a minority because they were here first

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Originally Posted by bougb

Under the old system:
loonion 50% get 100% of 100% bonus.

Under the new system:
loonion 50% get 80% of 110% bonus (new bonus is increased). 80% of 110% is 88%. Loot bonus decreased.

Under old system:
raid for 50% plus 8 collectors. get all the loot plus all the bonus.

Under new system:
raid for 50% plus 8 collectors. get 80% of the loot and 88% of the bonus. Loot decreased.

Under old system:
could raid with cheap troops.

Under new system:
need war army to get 70% on a max th10 (as I am a max th10 I get matched with max th10s). A popular war army that I use is GoWiWi to get th + at least 50% sometimes 60% but 70% is a stretch. So if I get th + 70% I get 100% of the DE + bonus. In Champs III that bonus is 1220. The DE is 3000. 4220de is gross. But I spent 4k DE to make those troops. Now I get 220 DE net. So if I do that, I just need to raid 681 times to get my AQ from level 30 to level 31. !?!?

So the net effect of the new system is drop down to low leagues and farm dead bases. This is a major fail SC. The league loot bonuses needed a multiplicative modifier. Like x2 for 2 stars, x3 for 3 stars. Not a division factor.

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That's my impression of this too. I've actually been pretty happy with the first 2 sneak peaks, but this sounds like a decent blow to farming efficiency, at least at the higher levels. Conceptually, I don't mind a progressive loot bonus system based on damage. That makes sense. But, if they're going to take away sniping (which is fine) and make a move toward a need for stronger, more expensive and time consuming, troops for looting, I would have liked to have seen more than a 10% increase.

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Originally Posted by R0ver

Galadon said "think of it like a tax increase but with the opportunity for an increase in income if you raid harder". I see the increase in tax but not the mitigation. More % loot will now be lost to a good attacker. Cost of traps xbows etc same. As sc said. You will get raided more often. So loot loss to raiding will go up. Cost of defence will go up due to more defences expected over time. If you want to persuade ppl to play this game only the way you insist then why the stick and stick approach? Surely defence bonus would have removed the need for all these changes? What encoragement is their to improve defence for farmers? (I dont mean cos your gonna lose everything if you dont. That's not encoraging, its blackmailing) we could always get more loot by raiding harder but there are a few players who enjoy raiding once or twice only on most days because they have to fit in around work/school/real life. Despite supercells insistance that forcing people to play in one way only rather than the plethora of play styles previously found by the customer base. We do not all play or want to play the way th10 utubers do. Get it through your heads this stick and stick but no carrot approach is by far the worst idea ive ever seen in a game and ive been gaming since pong first came out

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It does seem as if they are forcing people to play a certain way doesn't it? So much for diversity. I'm hoping the rest of the update balances all this out.

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Originally Posted by Azizgibrail

I think that anyone who has TH9 will suffer a lot to farm, since it will not show low level of village to attack. TH9 attacking TH10 to get resources without ice spell and still having to face hell towers? Like this is going to be pretty boring to play ...

sorry my english...

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TH10 versus TH9 has become less of an incentive though.

So, I'm in M3 atm making 100k gg from a successful attack using a relatively cheap gibarch, typically getting 50-60% damage or less if I can get the th. Under the new system, I MAY get 10k gg more for getting 70% which will cost a more expensive army and even require a few spells which will far outweigh the miniscule increase...

What kind of idiots do you think we are to consider that an increase in league bonus?

Im pretty sure SC isn't throwing out their last flare in hopes of making their final stand. Farming wasn't intended to be as it is now, with placing the TH outside the walls for a free shield. This has been exploited and has become a part of our routine. It's something we accept as the "norm". Now that SC is coming in with an update and threatening to change that upsets a lot of people because it screams change. So what, SC doesn't care who likes it or who doesn't. It wasn't intended on being that way from the start. And come on people, do you really think SC is going to listen to all the negativitity and respond accordingly? "If you do that we'LL all quit!" I highly doubt that is even going to roll with anyone that has invested a good amount of time and money. I know this isn't WoW, but look what happened there. Blizzard catered to all the whining people, easy, hard, easy, easy, and look what happened. They lost over 4 to 5 million subs. Why? Because all the complainers got on the forums and described how hard their lives were without the game receiving more changes. SC is a business, they have to do what They think is best for their company. If you're afraid to lose loot because you can't be on every 5 hours, then play more. Isn't that the idea?

Everyday it seems just more and more bad news

I would like to address a few concerns.

Farming is not dead, the loot bonus increase so you do not need to get the full 70% damage to get a decent loot bonus. Yes if you only get 50% damage the bonus will be less than the current bonus, but this also encourages you to be a stronger attacker.

You should be able to barch your TH lvl for 50% damage and get 80% of the league bonus. This will force people to actually attack at their level and become better attackers. People will have to settle into a league where they can be competitive and surrounded by their TH lvl. This will also make the new shield system work as you will want to get at least 50% to get the win and the league bonus, and this will give your opponent a 12hr shield.

Yes TH sniping will be dead, but lets face it, there was no skill involved in that. This game is a skill based game, it should reward the people who take the time to learn good attack strategies.

You may get attacked more or you may not. If you are sitting on a lot of loot you will most likely be mauled over and get a good shield. If you are not sitting on a lot of loot you will go without a shield and be able to attack as you wish. You can also attack during your shield to offset what you lost. And there will be more of a loot penalty for attacking a lower TH than your own, so this reduces the chances you will be smashed by a higher TH.

I think this will bring a good balance to the game and reward the people who "play" the game and not just TH snipe.

In the end it is what it is, and whining before the actual update is release is crazy. Once everything is launched things will settle in and the game will progress. Give it a chance, and I am sure some tweaks are in the future if things do not work as expected.

So what are your alternatives going to be for Clash of Clans? Any good remakes out there?

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Originally Posted by jamlc1m

#NotGoingToUpgrade ?

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I didn't mean it that way. I meant the current version is still available to play,half of the new version hasn't been announced, and you shouldn't decide you don't like something before you try it. I'm not saying everyone is going to like this update and I'm not saying I am going to like this update. We won't know until we try it until then I would just prepare for the update as best you can. ☺

When 4 of 5 people are talking about quitting, it's not "sure a few will quit" it more like a few will stay. Those few that do stay will wake up one day playing alone in a dead clan. Who asked for these changes, or is SC arrogant enough to tell us how to play and expect us to follow suit. Because telling a human what to do instead of asking what they want has always worked so well in the past.

#stopbuyinggems

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Originally Posted by pleiroma

So what are your alternatives going to be for Clash of Clans? Any good remakes out there?

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If I do clash I do have a backup plan in mind but please keep in mind discussing competitor's games is explicitly against the rules.

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Originally Posted by ItsZez

Advertising is a big player draw...they can make an add announcing th11 and advertise the new shield and loot system saying the game is more competive than ever. That would draw lots in! The 80s and 90s they released a game and left it for 7 years without being updated. That is why gaming wasn't as big back then. They care about the game experience and the quality. If the clashers arent happy they don't get any money...

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Cs marketeer have been spotted! Good luck with adverts! I have still have to come across one game since 2000 which have been giving so much game experience and enjoyment as the titles which were build before this era. And trust me....this is not only my opinion .

The game development never have been toxic as it is now since each and every capitalist put they money in it to generate significant amount of cash flow out it without carrying much about the product it self.

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Originally Posted by Kelpie

So, basically this update will force us to make full, strong armies that take hours to make, therefore force us to use gems to attack effectively.
The new leagues bonuses aren't even increased that much, and now to get the full bonus you need to 70% it? I imagine what TH10's struggle will be now.

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Since when do you gem your armies to do basic multiplayer attacks?

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Originally Posted by Radiating

If I do clash I do have a backup plan in mind but please keep in mind discussing competitor's games is explicitly against the rules.

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Thanks for the hint, I didn't know that. Gonna have to do my own research I guess :)

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Originally Posted by squirlz

I would like to address a few concerns.

Farming is not dead, the loot bonus increase so you do not need to get the full 70% damage to get a decent loot bonus. Yes if you only get 50% damage the bonus will be less than the current bonus, but this also encourages you to be a stronger attacker.

You should be able to barch your TH lvl for 50% damage and get 80% of the league bonus. This will force people to actually attack at their level and become better attackers. People will have to settle into a league where they can be competitive and surrounded by their TH lvl. This will also make the new shield system work as you will want to get at least 50% to get the win and the league bonus, and this will give your opponent a 12hr shield.

Yes TH sniping will be dead, but lets face it, there was no skill involved in that. This game is a skill based game, it should reward the people who take the time to learn good attack strategies.

You may get attacked more or you may not. If you are sitting on a lot of loot you will most likely be mauled over and get a good shield. If you are not sitting on a lot of loot you will go without a shield and be able to attack as you wish. You can also attack during your shield to offset what you lost. And there will be more of a loot penalty for attacking a lower TH than your own, so this reduces the chances you will be smashed by a higher TH.

I think this will bring a good balance to the game and reward the people who "play" the game and not just TH snipe.

In the end it is what it is, and whining before the actual update is release is crazy. Once everything is launched things will settle in and the game will progress. Give it a chance, and I am sure some tweaks are in the future if things do not work as expected.

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You are Jon Snow and you know nothing... :p...

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Originally Posted by NewJackJohnson

So, I'm in M3 atm making 100k gg from a successful attack using a relatively cheap gibarch, typically getting 50-60% damage or less if I can get the th. Under the new system, I MAY get 10k gg more for getting 70% which will cost a more expensive army and even require a few spells which will far outweigh the miniscule increase...

What kind of idiots do you think we are to consider that an increase in league bonus?

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There will be more cups higher up in the game so master league won't be as difficult to get to and stay in...therefore having easier bases to raid.

when do you think you will start to see the threads that say " supercell we need new players all the bases are destroyed and the is no loot now"

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Originally Posted by cloudd2

Im pretty sure SC isn't throwing out their last flare in hopes of making their final stand. Farming wasn't intended to be as it is now, with placing the TH outside the walls for a free shield. This has been exploited and has become a part of our routine. It's something we accept as the "norm". Now that SC is coming in with an update and threatening to change that upsets a lot of people because it screams change. So what, SC doesn't care who likes it or who doesn't. It wasn't intended on being that way from the start. And come on people, do you really think SC is going to listen to all the negativitity and respond accordingly? "If you do that we'LL all quit!" I highly doubt that is even going to roll with anyone that has invested a good amount of time and money. I know this isn't WoW, but look what happened there. Blizzard catered to all the whining people, easy, hard, easy, easy, and look what happened. They lost over 4 to 5 million subs. Why? Because all the complainers got on the forums and described how hard their lives were without the game receiving more changes. SC is a business, they have to do what They think is best for their company. If you're afraid to lose loot because you can't be on every 5 hours, then play more. Isn't that the idea?

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If it wasn't intended from the start why wait 3 years to fix it? I mean sure. If it was an unwanted exploit which manifested early on, they should have changed it back then. Why leave it for 3 years to have people get used to it and many MANY people base their gameplay around it and then change it?
I got hooked to this game (almost 2 years ago now) and I liked the game because it was easy to start even if there were many players that were a much higher level than me back then. The game didn't penalize you at all. SOME of the planned changes are going to change that.

Technically I couldn't care less as I'm a max TH10 (sans heroes and walls) but still this annoys me. It IS going to be a VERY different game on the day the update drops

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Originally Posted by cloudd2

Im pretty sure SC isn't throwing out their last flare in hopes of making their final stand. Farming wasn't intended to be as it is now, with placing the TH outside the walls for a free shield. This has been exploited and has become a part of our routine. It's something we accept as the "norm". Now that SC is coming in with an update and threatening to change that upsets a lot of people because it screams change. So what, SC doesn't care who likes it or who doesn't. It wasn't intended on being that way from the start. And come on people, do you really think SC is going to listen to all the negativitity and respond accordingly? "If you do that we'LL all quit!" I highly doubt that is even going to roll with anyone that has invested a good amount of time and money. I know this isn't WoW, but look what happened there. Blizzard catered to all the whining people, easy, hard, easy, easy, and look what happened. They lost over 4 to 5 million subs. Why? Because all the complainers got on the forums and described how hard their lives were without the game receiving more changes. SC is a business, they have to do what They think is best for their company. If you're afraid to lose loot because you can't be on every 5 hours, then play more. Isn't that the idea?

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If the majority of people prefer playing the way they do now it doesn't matter what was intended from the start. If SC will increase their profits with these changes, then sure, it makes sense that they're changing the game. However that remains to be seen. People that don't spend on gems are still important for promoting the game to those who will spend on gemming.

If a large number of casuals and such leave the game because of these updates will the cash cows still want to spend and play? Supercell is betting that they will clearly but I wonder. Game hype, popularity, prestige etc. is a big reason cash cows spend to be at the top of that game. If the game isn't as popular or prestigious will they stay?

Not a rhetorical question... I really don't know.

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Originally Posted by pleiroma

Thanks for the hint, I didn't know that. Gonna have to do my own research I guess :)

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Heard there was a good game called Boom Beach though :smirk:

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Originally Posted by ItsZez

There will be more cups higher up in the game so master league won't be as difficult to get to and stay in...therefore having easier bases to raid.

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If anything the new strategy would be farming the loot bonus with barch in m3 perhaps?

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Originally Posted by SilentStorm

So now we lose even more loot in defenses?

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Yeah. I'm still trying to come up with a farming equivalent xD:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by cloudd2

Farming wasn't intended to be as it is now

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Wait, it maybe wasn't intended this way but it has become one of the most popular games of all time .... would it be so sucsessfull if everything where like they intended ? IDK?!? maybe .. maybe not but sometimes the best things happens without beiing intended ... sry for bad english but you got what i mean ?!?

RIP townhall sniping
RIP farming
RIP easy shields
RIP Clash of Clans

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I use a GiBarchWi army for raids.. im able to get good loot, good destruction, and i make more than i spend... Army takes me 35-40 minutes to cook BUT SPELLS TAKE ME 1.5-1.75 HOURS... I Could cook 2 armys in the time spells take...

1. Cut The Spells Traininh Time.. yes AGAIN!
2. Cut The Troops AND Spells COSTS since it will be harder to hold on to loot... You wanna see us ATTACK AND DEFEND more right??? Obviously FASTER N CHEAPER armies will bring loads of that! DONT ♥♥♥♥ THIS UP SC

I think you are 100% correct. This makes so much sense! They are trying to create competition for their new TH11s.

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Originally Posted by Destructo74

So basically the changes so far are BEGGING us to rush to TH10 for the following reasons:

(1) TH10 has more damage on defense, making it tougher to take down in a raid
(2) With even less chance of a TH8 attacking you, rushing to TH10 limits the number of players who can attack you.
(3) Inferno towers for defense of loot.
(4) higher level troops for raiding

I see no reason NOT to rush to TH10 at this point with the new changes.

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Ive seen mentioned a few times that these new changes have been tested thoroughly. By whom? Galadon, ash and their ilk or 1000 8 year old kids? If your intent is to have a game with only around 1000 players in total then bravo and good luck all you top guys. Gonna be more clouds than ever if noone can make headway. I will never push trophies. Gaining different colour pixels has never interested me in any game and i see nothing else to be gained by trying to top the league tables. Gaining the ability to perform more and better game actions through concerted effort in upgrading and building gives me a smile. Changing a digital badge from silver to gold to purple to ...... is so boring i have never understood the drive to do it. If that was all there was to developing a successful game then mafia wars would be the world class top ranking game and still be played by more than 8 people. But it's not.

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Originally Posted by Radiating

Heard there was a good game called Boom Beach though :smirk:

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I heard they ruined Boom Beach in a similar way like how they are ruining Clash of Clans now :)

I don'k know why theres so much hating with every sneak peak, this is looking better than ever, now the game will be as is suppose to be, attack get attacked, get rich playing while you can enjoy your life, this is just making the game more competitive and fun, now people will hide the TH and protect the loot making good and interesting bases, i just feel sad that as a new TH9 a TH10 can rekt my base with barch (level 7 both) and as a new th9, i have 2 x-bows level 2 and the new defenses maxed at th8 level, with 52 legos, but still after saying that, we haven't even tried the update, so we can't know how it going to be certainly.

PS. Poor dead villages with the th outside, and sorry for my grammar, English isn't my mother language ;)

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Originally Posted by Radiating

If anything the new strategy would be farming the loot bonus with barch in m3 perhaps?

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This could possibly be one of the new farming strategies!! How do you respond to multiple comments in one post, so I don't have too many posts in this thread?

So basically after 3rd sneak peek:

I get looted more often. i Have to defend more storages, so its even easier to loot me. On the other side i get less loot from league bonus and (nearly) get no free loot from snipes, even if i found one.

Thx devs i really really really love this, this is gonna be so much fun getting bullied by th10 that loots me for 600k recources every time.

I really wanna say the f word, but ill just wont do it since it doesnt change anything anyway. Maybe we should create a Thread with where we all boycot gem buying ....

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Originally Posted by R0ver

Ive seen mentioned a few times that these new changes have been tested thoroughly. By whom? Galadon, ash and their ilk or 1000 8 year old kids? If your intent is to have a game with only around 1000 players in total then bravo and good luck all you top guys. Gonna be more clouds than ever if noone can make headway. I will never push trophies. Gaining different colour pixels has never interested me in any game and i see nothing else to be gained by trying to top the league tables. Gaining the ability to perform more and better game actions through concerted effort in upgrading and building gives me a smile. Changing a digital badge from silver to gold to purple to ...... is so boring i have never understood the drive to do it. If that was all there was to developing a successful game then mafia wars would be the world class top ranking game and still be played by more than 8 people. But it's not.

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One round of applause to this guy! Nailed it!

Yeaahhh I am a constant farmer in CoC, but I don't really play much, so I get attacked quite a lot... I've tried trophy pushing before, but since I don't play much I don't get much loot or trophies... I'm not really sure what to do about this; I'm a mid level TH9 and I'm pretty sure my game is dead now :p:(

I guess my last post was deleted, this update is a bad ideal it is going to kill the casual player, I have playing for over 2 years and love the ideal of building a base and upgrading my defense but have never really been into attacking. And from what I see farming is dead

No "Next tomorrow, same time" ?

Blurp ? no more ? finish ?

It's already hard enough protecting loot as a Town Hall 9 in the Master's League as it is... if a TH 10 wants to, they can take everything and the kitchen sink without a second thought because of how we have to protect loot. This isn't like war where we can freely throw our storages anywhere.

I may have to just drop back down into Gold/Silver, because honestly... it's not like I'll be getting 70% very often, so I might as well ignore Loot Bonus.

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Originally Posted by pleiroma

I heard they ruined Boom Beach in a similar way like how they are ruining Clash of Clans now :)

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Yeah I quit Boom Beach a few months ago, I've never played Hay Day and I'm starting to wonder if I'm actually gonna carry on with CoC... of course, SC won't care much about me coz I don't play 24/7 and I haven't spent any money on the game... :straightface:

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Originally Posted by Drewby77

Sneak peek 4: boostable building
Sneak peek 5: boostable building
Sneak peek 6: 10 gems to start an attack
Sneak peek 7: 10 gems to collect loot u raided
Sneak peek 8: 10 gems to train troops
Sneak peek 9: 10 gems to talk in clan chat
Sneak peek 10: 10 gems to donate troops
Sneak peek 11: 10 gems start an upgrade
Sneak peek 12: 10 gems to use war attack
Sneak peek 13: 10 gems to make spells
Sneak peek 14: 10 gems just for logging on

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10 gems to download the game. :smirk:

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Originally Posted by ItsZez

This could possibly be one of the new farming strategies!! How do you respond to multiple comments in one post, so I don't have too many posts in this thread?

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Multiquote. Right next to the Reply with Quote on the right, there's a small box with a quote box and a plus sign. CLick on that. Click on Reply to thread when you're done. Then there'll be all the quotes all lined up for you and ready to go.

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Originally Posted by jamlc1m

If it wasn't intended from the start why wait 3 years to fix it? I mean sure. If it was an unwanted exploit which manifested early on, they should have changed it back then. Why leave it for 3 years to have people get used to it and many MANY people base their gameplay around it and then change it?

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I agree it should have been addressed a Lot sooner than this, but most games that have exploits than give an advantage are usually dealt with relatively quick. It's just a mere bump in the road. We'll just have to see how they plan this out.
But don't worry, a month from now there'll be a video on YouTube showing how to get a shield by leaving camps, huts, barracks, and other non essential buildings, along with th outside for an easy shield.

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Originally Posted by Zharthex

That's why I started today both heroes upgrading,at least 2 upgrades b4 the update.

Your answer is gems.

I'm sure, VERY SURE, if they add heroes in war while upgrading players would be more grateful and happy.

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1. Like you, I am in a race to finish off the last three levels of the King to get 30/30 before the update. I fear the worst once it comes. I am very, VERY glad I grinded those royals all these months, with this disaster of an update now around the corner.

2. If they are trying to squeeze ten gems out of as many players as possible, it is completely laughable to even suggest upgrading heroes being allowed in war.

This "significant increase" spin makes me think back to last years Hero nerf update, where they tried to disguise the nerf with "strong Hero abilities". Kind of wish I could find that sneak peek to compare.

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Originally Posted by cloudd2

I agree it should have been addressed a Lot sooner than this, but most games that have exploits than give an advantage are usually dealt with relatively quick. It's just a mere bump in the road. We'll just have to see how they plan this out.
But don't worry, a month from now there'll be a video on YouTube showing how to get a shield by leaving camps, huts, barracks, and other non essential buildings, along with th outside for an easy shield.

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I would say it is much more easier to implement a complex fix to the 'Free shield' issue, with 2 and a half years of game data than say just 6 months.

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Wait for more sneak peaks they said, SC will bring better news they said...♥♥♥♥. In short, buy gems or ♥♥♥♥.

Unless you fix all the Chinese Bunnying... update is a FAIL.

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The major issue I see with the first 3 sneak peeks are that they are emphasizing on "FULL ATTACKS".

The question is what kind of "full attack" can you create in 3 hours playing time before getting kicked off?

AT TH9
Hero recovery : 1 hour at LVL 16
Spell creation: 1 hour and 20 mins (for lightning or heals only) Add 10 more minutes for each rage, jump, freeze you need.

By the looks of this, I can only do 2 "full attacks" per playing time before getting kicked off, granted I don't have any barracks upgrading.

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Originally Posted by bbodega

HAHAHAHAHA I love reading these 'clash will be rubbish' posts, please keep them coming you bunch of whining 15 year olds.

hahahahahahaha

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I'm 38 and I still think these new game mechanics will be making the game less fun...

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Originally Posted by Meks1

Wait, it maybe wasn't intended this way but it has become one of the most popular games of all time .... would it be so sucsessfull if everything where like they intended ? IDK?!? maybe .. maybe not but sometimes the best things happens without beiing intended ... sry for bad english but you got what i mean ?!?

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If banks gave out 16% interst on a 1 yr CD instead of 6%, don't you think people would capitalize on that? It definitely wasn't their intentions, but once they change it doesn't mean people will stop buying CDs. Especially if that's a competitive % rate.

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Originally Posted by cloudd2

I agree it should have been addressed a Lot sooner than this, but most games that have exploits than give an advantage are usually dealt with relatively quick. It's just a mere bump in the road. We'll just have to see how they plan this out.
But don't worry, a month from now there'll be a video on YouTube showing how to get a shield by leaving camps, huts, barracks, and other non essential buildings, along with th outside for an easy shield.

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remember the 50% of the army rule... this will be rather difficult to achieve unless they make the game field that much larger that you can basically set up two bases on it which would mimic the current TH out scenario while forcing the user to use 50% of his army....

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Originally Posted by jamlc1m

I'm 38 and I still think these new game mechanics will be making the game less fun...

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I do hope you have the maturity to actually experience the update before writing it off?

btw I am older than you, so I can still pull rank ;)

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Originally Posted by austex

Unless you fix all the Chinese Bunnying... update is a FAIL.

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the robot lovers ,,,,, love these updates

Leaving my TH out and farming already fits MY play schedule SC. Sure hope to see some user telemetry provided showing how many people stop playing after the update. :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

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Originally Posted by robinhood1596

So basically after 3rd sneak peek:

I get looted more often. i Have to defend more storages, so its even easier to loot me. On the other side i get less loot from league bonus and (nearly) get no free loot from snipes, even if i found one.

Thx devs i really really really love this, this is gonna be so much fun getting bullied by th10 that loots me for 600k recources every time.

I really wanna say the f word, but ill just wont do it since it doesnt change anything anyway. Maybe we should create a Thread with where we all boycot gem buying ....

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People need to read all of the 3 sneak peaks and put them together. There is a greater penalty for attacking lower THs, so no, you will not get crushed by a TH10.

I hope most of the people complaining quit, less for me to listen to. The update has not taken effect, how do you know it will be so bad? Go up in a league where you belong and learn how to attack. The game is getting better in my eyes.

ummm i mostly read about how after the update we need to use war army to farm. why? i did read the whole wall of texts but cant find anywhere its says that dead base will be removed from multiplayer matchmaking. sure theres no more easy league bonus by sniping th in higher league and sure theres no more cheap shield by exposing th, but barch or gibarch would still completely be relevant for dead base, no?

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Originally Posted by jamlc1m

remember the 50% of the army rule... this will be rather difficult to achieve unless they make the game field that much larger that you can basically set up two bases on it which would mimic the current TH out scenario while forcing the user to use 50% of his army....

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Lol, you think 50% barch would be a waste?
Someone will find an easier way around the new system and everyone will be doing it, again. There's loop-holes in everything, its just a matter of time.

i hope they will reduce troop training time.:unsure:

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Originally Posted by squirlz

People need to read all of the 3 sneak peaks and put them together. There is a greater penalty for attacking lower THs, so no, you will not get crushed by a TH10.

I hope most of the people complaining quit, less for me to listen to. The update has not taken effect, how do you know it will be so bad? Go up in a league where you belong and learn how to attack. The game is getting better in my eyes.

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IKR....it is like this EVERY time a major change is implemented, and every time the update is a success.

PPL gotta whine. Let's enjoy the ride and mock the moaners.

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You know what... I'm getting tired... just tired of how Supercell treats their players. The three new sneek peeks are garbage. I mean, what was wrong with the old system? Oh yeah, it makes Supercell less money! Thats right! In my opinion, if it isn't broken, don't fix it. Adding loot to the Town Hall, removing sheilds from having your Town Hall destroyed... I understand they want to kill Town Hall sniping, but... they fail to give a reason why. They say "Its to better the game" when it's really just "Its to better our wallets." What they fail to realize is that it is the bottom 90% that make them money... I mean, who first spread the word of clash when it came out? Who are the ones TV ads are geared towards? It really is simple math Supercell. If the bottom 90% of the game were to drop out suddenly, your precious top 10% will have no one to raid anymore, and then they'll quit. Come out with some updates that better us all. I'm still waiting on that new dark troop, and not looking forward to town hall 11 which I will probably never get in my lifetime. :/ Supercell, I really hope you are listening to this. I am voicing the opinions of those who have not spoken or are trying to convince themselves this update is awsome. It isn't. Go back to the way you were before. Before you got famous, before you started raking in all the money that has blinded you, before you treat the lower half of clash like dirt... Really think about this update Supercell. For all of us.

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Originally Posted by squirlz

People need to read all of the 3 sneak peaks and put them together. There is a greater penalty for attacking lower THs, so no, you will not get crushed by a TH10.

I hope most of the people complaining quit, less for me to listen to. The update has not taken effect, how do you know it will be so bad? Go up in a league where you belong and learn how to attack. The game is getting better in my eyes.

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Please show me how to 70% a maxed TH10 with a farming army as TH10. Or how to 70% a max TH9 as a max TH9 with a farming army.

I would love to learn from you, oh mighty awesome person who has apparently "learned to attack"!

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Originally Posted by Hadii

ummm i mostly read about how after the update we need to use war army to farm. why? i did read the whole wall of texts but cant find anywhere its says that dead base will be removed from multiplayer matchmaking. sure theres no more easy league bonus by sniping th in higher league and sure theres no more cheap shield by exposing th, but barch or gibarch would still completely be relevant for dead base, no?

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Barch, BAM etc would still work for dead bases.

But my issue is at higher TH levels you can't barch these bases as easily. That means full war type armies to raid one base to get max loot potential. But that takes a lot of time as it stands.

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Originally Posted by bbodega

I do hope you have the maturity to actually experience the update before writing it off?

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Yes, and a 38+ year old going on forums criticizing alleged 15 year-olds, is very "mature".

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Originally Posted by jamlc1m

remember the 50% of the army rule... this will be rather difficult to achieve unless they make the game field that much larger that you can basically set up two bases on it which would mimic the current TH out scenario while forcing the user to use 50% of his army....

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The great thing about this update is that the premmies have no where to hide now they cannot get a cheap shield.
More bases, more loot.

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The beauty of clash is its simple to pick up and learn about the mechanics in a week tops,so why all this complication and changes to shields? I don't know a single person that has ever had an issue with th shielding so why patch this? surely focus on bots and mods before breaking a stable aspect of clash.Plus why is the town hall a storage now? how tf am i gonna put my town hall and 9 storages inside and expect nothing but a max heavy army since there is no more sniping,you log off and are forces to be hit.Congrats supercell,me and alot of other 2012,13 and even 14 clashers are quitting and taking the money we used to pump into clash elsewhere,in short supercell has made sure every update in 2015 was awful and topped it off by getting rid of snipes.And no you will not get our resources in the corner,as punishment for still playing a recently broken game.:thumbsdown:

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Originally Posted by pleiroma

Please show me how to 70% a maxed TH10 with a farming army as TH10. Or how to 70% a max TH9 as a max TH9 with a farming army.

I would love to learn from you, oh mighty awesome person who has apparently "learned to attack"!

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Im reserving my judgement of this update till its fully out. I am just hoping that training time and maybe boosting costs has dropped significantly. Otherwise to do this amount of damage to a TH9+ is almost impossible with farming armies.

If you use a war type army, you will likely only be able to attack twice before you get kicked off to get raided.

Does sc not give a ♥♥♥♥ about those people who don't raid often like me. Now people will raid me , ton a ton of loot , and I won't benefit anything anymore. This will cancel the loot I get from my collectors , and if things go as expected, many people will quit . The reason your not seeing posted like these , is becuase people like me don't generally go on forums. But I hope everyone is content with killing the game for so many people .

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Originally Posted by auem

i hope they will reduce troop training time.:unsure:

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They have to at thos point! But then again, yesterday i said they HAVE TO boost league bonus significantly and they ♥♥♥♥ed us with that today... so i just don't know anymore if they'll give us anything to favor farming loot

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Originally Posted by LukaSJ

Yes, and a 38+ year old going on forums criticizing alleged 15 year-olds, is very "mature".

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I am not criticising anyone, just enjoying the overwhelmingly ridiculous posts about an update that has not been released yet, and has not even been fully revealed yet.

Ok perhaps it is a little immature, but it's very entertaining :)

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I'm not going to quit, but I'm taking a one month break (ofc storages and collectors outside) to find another game to play, it is the holidays anyway, lots of time at home to play with the computer rather than the phone. Might go back to tf2

So are we getting more gemboxs also ?:confused:

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Originally Posted by iamBUBBA

Barch, BAM etc would still work for dead bases.

But my issue is at higher TH levels you can't barch these bases as easily. That means full war type armies to raid one base to get max loot potential. But that takes a lot of time as it stands.

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barch and bam wont work... because ...

supercell doesn't want you to fight dead bases that's why they hide them

they clearly said its all about clashing with other clashers

Supercell all for pushers and against farmers?

So far, in all the sneak peaks affect us farmers in a bad way. They say this update is good for farmers and there will be "more loot" for us but there wont be. Why? The loot available in the base will remain the same before and after, so theres no more loot there. Secondly, most farmers dont get the 70% or even the TH, so withou t the 70% we wont make much more loot especially in low leagues.

As for pushers, there in higher leagues, usually use all the troops, aim for the TH and can usualy get 70% so everyhing in this update works perfect for then. As for us farmers, it makes farming alot more difficult.

This isnt me hating, I get used to updates after there dropped and end up enjoying then.

Actually I don't know how it will works

sneak peak 1 you can attack while shielded but will decrease the shield time by three hours!!

sneak peak 2 they will decrease time to play to 3 hours only

sneak peak 3 you will not be getting any loot bounce less than 50%

basicly they want us to use full heavy attack which needs at least 2 hours to prepare then attack so you will attack once you may get loot bounce or not then while preparing for 2nd attack you will be kicked out as 3 ours passed someone will come and will attack you and steal what ever you collected and may give you a shield loooool

while shielded you will prepare your troops for an attack so 2 hours is needed then you will attack someone your shield decreased by 3 hours then while preparing for another attack your shield is finish and other folks will come to ♥♥♥♥ your village again hahahahahh

nice one SC

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

Supercell is a very good company, better than most video game companies actually... They will always balance the game.
Stop complaining, you are lucky they are giving you an update at all!

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So if you're not happy with something we can't voice our opinion and disagree? We're their customers. If we're not happy with something, we need to let them know. What they do with that is their own choice. If enough people don't like the changes, then they'll stop playing the game, and SC will either have to change or lose customers. Will people stop playing? Probably not, even those who said they will, but there's no reason we can't say we don't like something they're changing.

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Originally Posted by Malleshprince20

So are we getting more gemboxs also ?:confused:

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And what gives you that idea? SUPERCELL IS TAKING AWAY IIn this update... sheesh they may LOWER gem boxes from 25 to 15 GEMS at this rate

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Originally Posted by bbodega

The great thing about this update is that the premmies have no where to hide now they cannot get a cheap shield.
More bases, more loot.

BB

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What if they quit the game coz they can't hide anymore and you know that some Long Inactive bases are removed from MM . Well any way good luck :)

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Originally Posted by BarbKing061189

And what gives you that idea? SUPERCELL IS TAKING AWAY IIn this update... sheesh they may LOWER gem boxes from 25 to 15 GEMS at this rate

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hahaha.. i understand, you are not happy with sneak peeks !

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Originally Posted by TheBarchGod

The beauty of clash is its simple to pick up and learn about the mechanics in a week tops,so why all this complication and changes to EVERYTHING?

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The simplicity and accessibility of CoC helped to propel it to the top of the mobile gaming world.

It seems, if you believe what you read, 10% of the active players account for as much as 50% of the revenue. Those active players are, for the most part, high league trophy pushers who are asking for these types of changes.

So, as a result, SUPERCELL is willing to alienate or at the very least, confuse and disorient as much as 90% of their active players, in order to appease the top 10%.

I wonder if this level of unrest hit the press and began to impact investors and potential investors, would the parent of SUPERCELL get involved?

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Originally Posted by Brandee

I'm going to have to bring a strong army with me to look for loot. What if I bring say GoWipe... And come across a base with lots of loot but the base has very tight compartments that a hog army would destroy? I have to pass since I don't have the right army composition to be successful? I feel like I'm going to be in a war 24/7 now.

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The only difference between a war and normal village is the fact u need to protect ur storages aswell. So yes raiding will be like warring non-stop as ur gonna need a war type army to take them down

Ive submitted a few comments on the info so far and i hold my hands up im one of the vast majority who have been discoraged and negative in my appraisals. There is one very very clear positive. For the shareholders behind clash of kings. They are going to do extremely well out of this update. Remember supercell you can force players to use your app in only the way you allow but you cannot force people to play in the first place. Other games are available. Some now more popular and more profitable than yours. Your decline in profit started when you tinkered with the matching process and started to adjust the way people farm earlier this year. The definition of stupidity is often given as doing the same thing again and again while expecting different results

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Originally Posted by Malleshprince20

So are we getting more gemboxs also ?:confused:

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Probably not. But who knows, they might yield "significantly" more gems. They'd have to be calculated based on your real-world money spending % though. So if you buy gems at 50% of your active CoC time, you'd get 80% of Gem Box rewards. Paying 70% of the time will get you the full 100%.

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Originally Posted by bbodega

Feel better?

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No, I don't. Go ahead and bag on me, I'm just trying to save a game I love to play. And, by the way, I can tell just from the sneek peeks this is going to be bad. I've played this game long enough to know where its headed. And, if you could, name 2 benefits for the general populace of clash after this update. I can't wait to be enlightened.

So far update looks lame. If it wasn't broke don't fix it!

All we wanted is for Heroes to be used in Clan War during upgrading.
And maybe Pekka 4 @ Th9.

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Originally Posted by JDPetrillo

These are my unbiased thoughts without any emotions.

#1. League bonus is now rewarded based on percent of damage, from 0% to 70% damage. The key benchmarks are 0%, 50% and 70% damage as follows:

• 0% damage rewards 0% of league bonus
• 50% damage rewards 80% of league bonus
• 70% damage rewards 100% of league bonus

In addition to those key benchmarks, the scale for everything in-between them works as follows:

• You earn 1.6% of league bonus for each 1% of damage starting at 1% through 50% damage
• You earn 1.0% of league bonus for each 1% of damage starting at 51% through 70% damage

​Here are some real life scenarios and the outcome:

• ​You attack a base and do 20% damage. You will be rewarded 32% of league bonus.
• You attack a base and do 65% damage. You will be rewarded 95% of league bonus.
• ​You snipe a town hall and only do 2% damage. You will be rewarded 3.2% of league bonus.

As you can see in the last example, town hall sniping is officially dead now. As an attacker, you will only receive a very small fraction of the league bonus for a town hall snipe. As a defender, many people are now persuaded to protect their town hall. The end result is outside town halls will be few and far between, because most people moved them inside, and the league bonus received for a town hall snipe will not be sufficient to cover the cost of Next'ing. R.I.P. town hall snipes; it was fun.

#2. Based on screenshots within the release notes, league bonuses appear to have increased by approximately 12%. For example, 100% league bonus for Champions III is now 200,000. It was 180,000 previously. This is not a "significant" increase, in my opinion. In fact, some can argue league bonuses have been significantly decreased because now it takes a lot more than it used to in order to earn 100% of league bonus payout.

My comments here are strictly based only on the screenshot within the developers notes, which shows a 200,000 league bonus for Champions III. To the best of my knowledge, this hasn't been officially confirmed and its possible "real" league bonus can be different for better or for worse once the update hits. I will update this section if I receive confirmation of new league bonus values. For now, I'm assuming 12% increase based on the screenshot provided.

#3. The way forward for farmers, in my opinion, will be a new strategy to push as high in trophies as possible where you can consistently receive 100% of league bonus by consistently doing at least 70% damage. You will want to be as high in trophies as possible in order to get the most league bonus, but you will want to make sure you can do at least 50% damage and aim for 70% damage consistently.

#4. As a farmer, aiming to do at least 50% to 70% damage every attack means a few things:

• More time spent training stronger armies
• More resources spent training stronger armies
• Less raids per day

Say for example a person has 6 hours per day to farm. A larger percentage of that person's time will now be spent waiting for armies to train and therefore squeezing in less raids than before during that same 6 hour window, especially with the PBT that will also kick you out at least once during that 6 hours.

In my view, going forward farmers will not raid as frequently as they do now, but their raids will (should) net more loot than they do currently. However, will these fewer high loot raids be enough to offset the cost of less raids per day and more expensive armies? That's my question.

If I can currently make 1,000,000 in resources today during a 6 hour timeframe with many small raids, will I still be able to make 1,000,000 in resources after update during the same 6 hour timeframe with fewer but bigger raids? I know Supercell is good at finding a balance, but I'm concerned about this one.

Its still possible that Supercell will give us more gold mines and collectors, another barracks to train faster, lower training time for certain troops, more spell factories, etc. I know some of these sound like a stretch and I might be going out on a limb, but trying to remain optimistic and hoping for the best.

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Well said and thought out response! I have the same concerns for obtaining the same amount of loot. Will these fewer higher loot raids be enough to offset the cost of less raids per day and much more expensive armies? Added to that you will not obtain shields as easy so more loot will be outgoing. My feeling is NO, but we will need to see. If indeed the answer is NO, SC will be pushing the casual player away from the game and making it harder for the average player to advance in the game. Why not link the amount of destruction and loot taken from a base to the number of hours you are given a shield? Attacker gets more loot the more they destroy, but the defender gets a longer shield if you have a more skilled attacker that takes more of your loot. Its a game and SC needs to keep it interesting and fun for all the different types of game players, without catering to a small percentage.

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Originally Posted by ItsZez

Explain to me how this is all about gems...

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You don't even have to buy gems. Server resources and bandwidth cost $$. By reducing the amount of time you are allowed to stay online and only allowing a couple attacks per day because of big army/spell training times, there are significant savings whether or not you buy gems.

I just don't get why they want people to spend less time playing and not more.

Terrible. Just terrible.

Supercell says, "...these last set of changes aim to make the spoils of battle more rewarding for skilled attackers...", but in the process I think they are going to alienate the unskilled attackers too much; if they don't find the game fun any more because it's too hard to progress, they are going to quit.

My specific comment with regard to goblins targeting the TH and CC: These two buildings are typically in the center of a base along with the DE storage. Currently, when looting for DE, when I bust to the center and release the goblins, they go for the DE storage. Now it's going to be even harder to do this because the goblins will be targeting 3 buildings, not just the one.

I've been looking for an excuse to quit this game and return to a normal life. The last 3 days have given me 3 great excuses.

Supercell killing farming... Awful so far.

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Originally Posted by thrusher

If the majority of people prefer playing the way they do now it doesn't matter what was intended from the start. If SC will increase their profits with these changes, then sure, it makes sense that they're changing the game. However that remains to be seen. People that don't spend on gems are still important for promoting the game to those who will spend on gemming.

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We will have to wait and see.... Its not about giving the customer what the customer asks, is about giving the customer what the customer needs. They are the experts, they have the vision, they have all the data, this is their job and their passion, they have a wider perspective... Yes they can make mistakes, but let wait and see how everything plays out.

im pretty sure they know that non paying players are important too.

i'm out . ✌