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With the decrease of theft in CV with a lower level. Should have an increase in the mines and collectors. Would not have a decrease in the mines and collectors CV 1 level lower. And with 2 lower level, only 30% decrease.

I can not write in English, so excuse the mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Devilq

I think this part of the update is the best yet. No matter what people said it is so far very beneficial to all the players. We will probably realize it later but these new systems are actually great.

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I think it's funny that you say this factually erroneous ♥♥, and of course have no reasoning to support your ridiculous opinion.

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Originally Posted by DrGnomlet

I'm glad someone else thought about this and laid it out for everyone. With the new loot bonus systems and those example league bonuses given, this seems like a major DECREASE in loot bonus. Even ignoring the increases build time for better armies the bonus will be less. It looks like you'll have to do around 60% damage to get the loot bonus you used to get for 50% or a townhall. Granted I understand we don't want TH sniping in the game anymore, some well designed bases are easier to defeat with a piercing attack charging the TH and getting 1 star with 30%. But now this attack will leave you with little loot bonus. All and all I would say most winning attacks, especially in higher leagues, are closer to 50% or less than they are to 70%, meaning the average loot bonus will be LESS than before the update.
Since we've had some changes made by supercell already, I think we need the whole community to understand this and bring it to their attention.

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I completely concur with everything you're saying. After all is said and done, Supercell is effectively lowering loot payouts AND removing the easily manifested loot from TH snipes, which is going to ultimately drain resources from everyone and infuriate players. Very poor choice on their part to be stingy with this pathetic 12% increase to league bonuses.

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Originally Posted by kdrakakis

What causes to me the most concern in this update is that story with the league bonus. I am currently a TH9 in Champion 3, and I am pretty much forced to attack TH10s, as these are the only options I get. Because of the infernos, I mostly manage to clear 40% of the base and get one star (I funnel all of my troops to the TH as quickly as I can). And they now tell me I have to clear 70% of the base to get the full league bonus?! Dear SC developers, why don't you try to do that and tell me how it worked for you?

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Then drop your league to get the 70% and attack th 9 or 8 ... thats the whole point of these changes .. if you are in a league that u can get 70% then you are ok to move on in a new league

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Originally Posted by IcewolfBlizzard

Nicely said. So no more town hall snipe bases for me.....:insert sad face here:

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We don't know that maybe they will put the th outside to reset the PBT

Hi all.

One of the biggest concerns with regards to the loss of TH snipes is the loss of "free" loot daily. Let's break down the math.

I'm going to look at the loot injected in Crystal, Masters, and Champs because then we can deal with higher level TH, which is where most of the concern is.

In Crystal 1, the league bonus is 65,000 G/E, 300 DE.

Lets say that crystal is mostly made up of TH 8s. Currently, someone can take out a TH for a few barbs, making a net profit of 65,000 G, 64,000 E, and 300 DE (if the player is a TH8). If it is a higher TH, take on elixir may be a little lower.

Let's say the same player sees the same base, but with a TH inside. However, that player has a decent amount of total loot. Let's say the loot for a TH 8 is 300,000 G/E and 2000 DE. Our TH8 attacker spends his entire army of barchers to grab 2 or 3 storages. If he gets one gold and one elixir, he takes 100,000 G/E. The cost of a barch army is 45,000 elixir. This means he gets a net profit of 55,000 elixir and 100,000 gold.

In Masters 1, the league bonus is 140,000 G/E and 900 DE.

Let's assume a TH9 is attacking a TH 9. This TH9 snipes, making a profit of 140,000 gold, 139,000 elixir, and 900 DE.

If the same player raids the TH9, lets say the loot is 350,000 G/E and 2500 DE. Our TH9 spends his entire army of barchers for 3 storages (because a TH9 has more troops). If he gets one gold and two elixir, he takes 87,500 gold and 175,000 elixir. The cost of a barch army is 60,000 elixir, so he gets a profit of 87,500 gold and 115,000 elixir. He would get 22,500 elixir if he only got 1 elixir storage.

In Champions 1, the league bonus is 200,000 G/E and 1400 DE.

If a TH10 snipes a TH10, he makes a profit of 200,000 G/E and 1400 DE.

If the same TH10 raids this player, the loot available is 400,000 G/E and 3000 DE. Our TH10 spends his entire army of barchers for 3 storages. If he gets one gold and two elixir, he takes 100,000 gold and 200,000 elixir. The cost of barch army at TH10 is 75,000 elixir, so he makes a profit of 100,000 gold and 115,000 elixir. He would get 15,000 elixir if he got only 1 elixir storage.


What this tells us:

1) Storage raids almost always create a higher profit than TH sniping

2) Considering that more targets are going to be available after the update, farmers will more easily find targets with full storages and be able to make a profit.

3) Although I didn't explicitly do the math, you can see that the same rule applies for DE as gold and elixir: if you go for the DE storage, you'll make a bigger profit on DE than if you were just TH sniping.

I think this shows that while the "free" loot will be gone, plenty of loot that is hidden right now will come into circulation once the update drops. The economy is not going to crash.

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Originally Posted by Stingray2

Hi all.

One of the biggest concerns with regards to the loss of TH snipes is the loss of "free" loot daily. Let's break down the math.

I'm going to look at the loot injected in Crystal, Masters, and Champs because then we can deal with higher level TH, which is where most of the concern is.

In Crystal 1, the league bonus is 65,000 G/E, 300 DE.

Lets say that crystal is mostly made up of TH 8s. Currently, someone can take out a TH for a few barbs, making a net profit of 65,000 G, 64,000 E, and 300 DE (if the player is a TH8). If it is a higher TH, take on elixir may be a little lower.

Let's say the same player sees the same base, but with a TH inside. However, that player has a decent amount of total loot. Let's say the loot for a TH 8 is 300,000 G/E and 2000 DE. Our TH8 attacker spends his entire army of barchers to grab 2 or 3 storages. If he gets one gold and one elixir, he takes 100,000 G/E. The cost of a barch army is 45,000 elixir. This means he gets a net profit of 55,000 elixir and 100,000 gold.

In Masters 1, the league bonus is 140,000 G/E and 900 DE.

Let's assume a TH9 is attacking a TH 9. This TH9 snipes, making a profit of 140,000 gold, 139,000 elixir, and 900 DE.

If the same player raids the TH9, lets say the loot is 350,000 G/E and 2500 DE. Our TH9 spends his entire army of barchers for 3 storages (because a TH9 has more troops). If he gets one gold and two elixir, he takes 87,500 gold and 175,000 elixir. The cost of a barch army is 60,000 elixir, so he gets a profit of 87,500 gold and 115,000 elixir. He would get 22,500 elixir if he only got 1 elixir storage.

In Champions 1, the league bonus is 200,000 G/E and 1400 DE.

If a TH10 snipes a TH10, he makes a profit of 200,000 G/E and 1400 DE.

If the same TH10 raids this player, the loot available is 400,000 G/E and 3000 DE. Our TH10 spends his entire army of barchers for 3 storages. If he gets one gold and two elixir, he takes 100,000 gold and 200,000 elixir. The cost of barch army at TH10 is 75,000 elixir, so he makes a profit of 100,000 gold and 115,000 elixir. He would get 15,000 elixir if he got only 1 elixir storage.


What this tells us:

1) Storage raids almost always create a higher profit than TH sniping

2) Considering that more targets are going to be available after the update, farmers will more easily find targets with full storages and be able to make a profit.

3) Although I didn't explicitly do the math, you can see that the same rule applies for DE as gold and elixir: if you go for the DE storage, you'll make a bigger profit on DE than if you were just TH sniping.

I think this shows that while the "free" loot will be gone, plenty of loot that is hidden right now will come into circulation once the update drops. The economy is not going to crash.

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What happens when the hidden loot is raided for and dumped into bases for upgrades?

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Originally Posted by Bighose

What happens when the hidden loot is raided for and dumped into bases for upgrades?

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There's a LOT of hidden loot. Jonas said in the video that 80% of attacks right now are snipes. If even half of those had decent loot, that's 40% of all bases that are now suddenly available more often. In addition, the OP forgot to add the league bonus into the storage raids. Everyone seems to be forgetting that full attacks give league bonus too, not just sniping.

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Originally Posted by Stingray2

Hi all.

One of the biggest concerns with regards to the loss of TH snipes is the loss of "free" loot daily. Let's break down the math.

I'm going to look at the loot injected in Crystal, Masters, and Champs because then we can deal with higher level TH, which is where most of the concern is.

In Crystal 1, the league bonus is 65,000 G/E, 300 DE.

Lets say that crystal is mostly made up of TH 8s. Currently, someone can take out a TH for a few barbs, making a net profit of 65,000 G, 64,000 E, and 300 DE (if the player is a TH8). If it is a higher TH, take on elixir may be a little lower.

Let's say the same player sees the same base, but with a TH inside. However, that player has a decent amount of total loot. Let's say the loot for a TH 8 is 300,000 G/E and 2000 DE. Our TH8 attacker spends his entire army of barchers to grab 2 or 3 storages. If he gets one gold and one elixir, he takes 100,000 G/E. The cost of a barch army is 45,000 elixir. This means he gets a net profit of 55,000 elixir and 100,000 gold.

In Masters 1, the league bonus is 140,000 G/E and 900 DE.

Let's assume a TH9 is attacking a TH 9. This TH9 snipes, making a profit of 140,000 gold, 139,000 elixir, and 900 DE.

If the same player raids the TH9, lets say the loot is 350,000 G/E and 2500 DE. Our TH9 spends his entire army of barchers for 3 storages (because a TH9 has more troops). If he gets one gold and two elixir, he takes 87,500 gold and 175,000 elixir. The cost of a barch army is 60,000 elixir, so he gets a profit of 87,500 gold and 115,000 elixir. He would get 22,500 elixir if he only got 1 elixir storage.

In Champions 1, the league bonus is 200,000 G/E and 1400 DE.

If a TH10 snipes a TH10, he makes a profit of 200,000 G/E and 1400 DE.

If the same TH10 raids this player, the loot available is 400,000 G/E and 3000 DE. Our TH10 spends his entire army of barchers for 3 storages. If he gets one gold and two elixir, he takes 100,000 gold and 200,000 elixir. The cost of barch army at TH10 is 75,000 elixir, so he makes a profit of 100,000 gold and 115,000 elixir. He would get 15,000 elixir if he got only 1 elixir storage.


What this tells us:

1) Storage raids almost always create a higher profit than TH sniping

2) Considering that more targets are going to be available after the update, farmers will more easily find targets with full storages and be able to make a profit.

3) Although I didn't explicitly do the math, you can see that the same rule applies for DE as gold and elixir: if you go for the DE storage, you'll make a bigger profit on DE than if you were just TH sniping.

I think this shows that while the "free" loot will be gone, plenty of loot that is hidden right now will come into circulation once the update drops. The economy is not going to crash.

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You are making one HUGE assumption. You are assuming that the loot available for raiding in the storages will remain constant once the update drops. It wont BECAUSE of the significant decrease in loot pumped into the game through th snipes. We will see a gradual decline in the amount of loot available in the storages because there will be a gradual decrease in overall loot due to the decrease in league bonuses.

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Originally Posted by themariofan

Everyone seems to be forgetting that full attacks give league bonus too, not just sniping.

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Except that the league bonuses will be significantly smaller because it is not sustainable to do 70% while farming on every attack. It works short term, but not long term.

What are the pros and cons of this matter?