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Simple logic... real battles don't have time limits; however, in a game it is unfortunately required because without them spys/jerks could tie up opponents indefinetely not allowing others to atk them, so can't get rid of it completely... however, maybe increase the the time limit to 4 or 5 minutes (especially with the upcoming update that adds more buildings and such).
Time limit does not need to be increased, 3 minutes is plenty to get a 3 star. With buffed defense always comes buffed offense.
Obviously when people are battling and RUN OUT OF TIME then their is not ALWAYS enough time!... you don't speak for everyone which is why i made this poll... please everyone no hateful "we don't need this stupid comments"Quote:
Originally Posted by 31rambo
There can always be adjustments made to an army to prevent running out of time. I'm not speaking for everyone, I occasionally run out of time on my attacks too. I don't blame anyone but myself. It's always something that I did not think of before attacking that costs me.
regular battles are 3 minutes but we don't usually go all out in regular battles and most people don't have super base layouts for regular battles... war battles are tougher and if considered on that and the sole basis of uniqueness then it makes sense to have an increased time limit... i think 4 minutes minimum (5 minutes at most)
I feel like you are adding to my argument. In regular raids, people don't go all out and players don't have the hardest bases to 3 star. In war, players do go all out on bases that might be more difficult to 3 star. Both aspects, offense and defense, are scaled up in war. So why is it harder to achieve the same result in the same amount of time?
it's just that "we don't need this" comments are like the ultimate downer and i.m.o. ruin the whole mood of an idea... i'm okay with your opinion i just get annoyed at the whole "we" assumptionQuote:
Originally Posted by 31rambo
...but, as i said the bases are tougher too which negates your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by 31rambo
I think adding just one minute is more than reasonable. and as I said originally too, with the coming update there'll be more buildings to get thru so i.m.o. much needed.
As I also previously stated, there will certainly be added troop levels with TH11 that will do more than enough to eliminate these extra buildings. If SC were to add more time, 5-10 seconds would be plenty. 4 minute battles would be totally unnecessary.
I totally agree with you, I started this ⬇after getting 90 to 99% several times
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...40#post5845640
So because someone posts that they disagree with you that makes them a "hater?" You on a public forum, when you post an idea others will state their opinion, if you don't want to hear criticism then I suggest you don't post.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
As far as your idea, 4 or 5 min battle times is ridiculous and it won't happen. If you are consistently running out of time then you need analyze and rethink your army composition, as well as work on your attacking skills.
With the new update, maybe SC might increase the time by a little, that's up to them on what they believe balances the game correctly with the new features added. At this point in time, there is no need for a time increase in my opinion.
I said that if SC were to add more time, then 5-10 seconds is enough. I'm not necessarily in favor of that, as the only time those added seconds could be needed is at TH11. It seems that anything you dislike about an opinion is automatically "a downer" comment discouraging ideas. I'm simply stating what I believe and what I know for a fact many others believe as well. The point of a game is to challenge people. What you want to do will make it impossible to run out of time if an attack isn't stopped by the defense. The 3 star game isn't meant for everyone, and nobody is able to 3 star every single attack. You need to realize that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
Howabout looking at it from the other side? What about the defense that PREVENTED you from getting 3 stars in 3 minutes? The defense deserves some recognition for that. 3 minutes is enough.
...my suggestion is just for war battles... I believe yours is for all battles. so i'll keep this thread separate.Quote:
Originally Posted by asddib
I like the idea, but your attitude, man, is way off. Don't criticize people about "we"... perhaps they're talking about their fellow clashers and friends. No one's going to agree with you. TH9s and below have time aplenty to 3-star in war. TH10 would be 3.5 minutes. That's it, no more. It's supposed to be hard to get a 3-star.
He never even said "we" anywhere. Jeez...Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
You didn't realize there are other threads about this topic? There are almost ALWAYS threads about a topic. Rarely is an idea new. Look what I found using the handy-dandy search function:Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ar-attack-time
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ime-for-attack
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...24-Attack-Time
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ime-for-attack
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...re-Attack-Time
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...time-fkn-short
CoC isn't real war. Obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
You don't have to re-explain yourself with capital letters. I heard you the first time. I thought this was a poll and not an argument. My vote is that 3 minutes is a good time limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
no i didnt realize there was another thread on this cause there are so many threads and i only go back so many and i hadn't seen this thread or any like every before which is in the total realm of possibilitiesQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyPC
Lol suppressing opinions. You can say whatever you want, and have been, and people are going to say what they want back. If you can't take the heat then get of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
If you are unable to 3 star a base in 3 minutes, kindly improve your attacks but 4 or 5 minutes is insane. Only giants and golems will destroy a whole base in 5 minutes which will destroy this game. 3 minutes are perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
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Originally Posted by JohnnyPC
ok.... this was kinda lame of me... i never noticed the search field at the very top till now... up until now i've just been scrolling thru each thread till i got tired of scrolling and then i'd post. on a side note... the last time i did post on an old thread i was told it was inappropriate to "resurrect" old threads to which my response was if it's not deleted then its not ruled outQuote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
I usually use GoWiPe attacks and usually either i end up totally defeated with less than 3 stars or victorious with 3 stars within the current 3 minute time limit however:Quote:
Originally Posted by BadBoy101
1. i'm not always attacking the same person with the same base layout and regardless of whether i did everything perfect or not, there are rare times when i run out of time...
2. basically the same as #1 but reversed for someone attacking me.... sometimes in war my attacker may get 3 stars or fewer and within the current time limit of 3 minutes however sometimes they run out of time too regardless of whether they did something wrong or not... i'm advocating this increase to atleast 4 minutes for everyone to remedy this problem because obviously if anyone can run out of time, even if it's only once, even if its because of a mistake or many mistakes..... then there obviously isn't enough time ALWAYS and as such so that there isn't this problem there should be an increase. Maybe 5 minutes is too much which is why after my first few messages i've tried to refer to a 4 minute time because it would be pointless to add only 5 - 10 seconds because then somewhere down the line someone will have this complaint again... and keep in mind even though it would be 4 minutes, as you and a couple others have stated.... MOST battles can be finished in 3 minutes... you're just refusing to see that MOST is not ALL. regardless of what led to the time of the end of the battle.
Well there is your problem, you're using gowipe. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
my unit levels currently offer me better probability with GoWiPe... i'm top rank in my clan so i usually atk #1 and #2 and usually get 2 stars maybe 1 and rarely i screw something up in my atk and get 40 somewhat percent no star... most my atks end well before the current time limit and some i run out of time as everyone sometimes runs out of time one time or another. my overall point is that if some people are running out of time even once then the current time is not enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by 31rambo
Even 3 starring a max th10 have seen possible in 3 minutes, if we believe in fair chances on both the sides then 3 minutes are enough, with th11 may be 3:30 min but 4 or 5 is just unfair.
The concept of the game is designed such that you have to plan your attack in 30 seconds & 3 minutes to attack as the way you want. Now it depends on the attacker that how he/she attacks. Many players are able to finish fully in 3 minutes, they are comfortable with it, with th11 SC might think about 3:30 mins but if some of players lack in timing then it can be learned.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
I don't see a reason to add this. 3 Minutes is usually enough for me. If you run out of time, spend less time taking out clan troops, or cut to the main part of the attack more quickly.
you cannot learn probability and chance... your argument is invalid... the game is designed so that it's not possible to ALWAYS win EVERY battle and as such there's currently 5 possibilities...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xropelayton
1. 3 star
2. less than 3 star victory all units defeated
3. less than 3 star victory out of time
4. no star loss all units defeated
5. no star loss out of time
3:30 ACTUAL battle time MIGHT be enough but it's always best to leave some room for FUTURE developement(s) / additions so 4 minutes would definetely be enought and contrary to some nay sayers out there; 4 minutes WOULD NOT BREAK THE GAME.... all it does it give the attacker a little more time and make the game more fair but someone like you is only thinking of their own defense and worried they might lose more battles if there was a little more time. I'm for more fairness and 4 minutes war battle times... regular battles is iffy... i don't yet know what all they're adding so i don't know if it'd be necessary to increase regular battle times... just war times for sure.
Yes, increasing the time limit is a good idea, but only for the higher TH levels. I would say giving an extra 30 sec to TH10 and extra minute to TH11 should be enough.
This is too much added time to begin with, and giving different battle lengths for different TH levels would have people in uproar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mznorling
someone else said that too and as i replied to them, increasing for some and not others is not a good idea...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mznorling
1. it would complicate battles and replays and the overall game to have multiple different time limits
and
2. it would create a feeling of unfairness in the game with everyone who didn't get the time limit increase complaining and wanting more time...
if you do time limit change for some you have to for all.
10-15 seconds to be added is enough to 3 star a base.Otherwise it would not be challenging
...it's just most people are afraid of change even when it's for the good and they automatically cry we don't need this without giving the idea a good chance if any at all.
So you want to win all the battles and not lose even a single one. If using GOWIPE's, you are able to 3 star some bases, isn't that helping the point that bases can be 3 starred in 3 minutes. No body is perfect and no body can take 3 stars all the time. Mistakes will always happen and its the beauty of the game that sometimes we have to improvise after making some mistake during the attack. If you watch cricket, you will know that T20 has only 20 overs and you have to do everything in those enthralling limited overs, but you are asking for a boring Test match and I hope you understood the analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
I fully agree Everyone wants to win all the time however I realize that's not possible, and I've stated that before, and I'm not seeing how anything I've ever said in this thread would bring you to think that I would think that... just because I'm asking for a increase to the time limit doesn't mean I think that is gonna get me or anyone a win.... what the heck are you talking about? Test match? I have never said anything about a test match... are you crossing your threads?Quote:
Originally Posted by BadBoy101
Hmmm, this is going to be tricky.. Ok, so avenger, I 100% get where your coming from. It's annoying, we all know it is, but it also adds this element of fun because you know that you have to be quick with your attack, however, 5-10 seconds couldn't hurt right? Yeah, I agree we could use a couple more seconds to get that last but in the corner or something. However, I don't think it matters whether someone spoke on behalf of others, I think what everyone else is trying to say is that 4-5 minutes is way too much, that is on behalf to what appears the majority, but just because someone disagrees with you dosent mean their a hater, it simply means that they would not enjoy this idea and have a different view then you. So just try to be a little more open minded and take things with a grain of salt. Thanks! :)
-ZT
He really did say "we don't need this" (maybe he deleted the comment idk... and I've seen people say that exact same thing so many times on so many other threads; it's one of those things that has worked it's way into my top list of things that annoy me; it's like they're saying it's their opinion it's not good and nothing else matters but their opinion and project it as if everyone else automatically agrees with them. I can't stand it when someone just assumes the whole community agrees with them. The phrase "we don't need this" should be banned as its totally disrespectful of the person and their idea it's directed to. The fact he won't admit to it irks me more. I've said it before but I'll say it again... I would've been ok if he had said "I don't think it's needed" and for whatever reason; and I would've reacted better on my rebuttal argument had it been that way and we wouldn't be at or over 100 comments LoL. As I was taught there's constructive criticism and there's destructive criticism. He started it with his destructive criticism and I may have a tendency to focus back destructive criticism onto the original criticizer with the intent of getting them to see the err in their ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZachTyler
Here is an option
3m limit to release all troops but Battle won't finish until all troops die
Good addition, I hadn't thought of that b4 :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Delingerb
That's essentially the same thing as having no timer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delingerb
i like to think that SC would give higher TH more time due to it has higher defense and more walls etc. its makes attacking strategy more complicated, but not so much that it will add 1 min or 2 to make a 4min or 5min battle..maybe 5sec added every th lvl starting from th8..so that th9 will have 5sec added th10 have 10sec and th11 have 15sec added time.and furthermore this is a strategy game, and time pressure is one barrier we need to overcome in attacking..good attacker can plan and destroy his/her enemy with outmost damage in the fastest way possible.
He said 3 minutes to play all your troops and then once the last one dies the match ends meaning the battle could end before 3 minutes but once it reaches 3 minutes it would disallow more units from being played so if it goes over 3 minutes then whether the last one dies at 3:01 or 3:37 or whenever that's when the battle ends even regardless of how many units they have left not played.Quote:
Originally Posted by 31rambo
Never have I ever seen a player take more than 3 minutes to put all their troops down.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
Exactly, you will never have a situation where it takes longer than 3 minutes to deploy troops, so this addition would only serve as something to prevent running out of time in any battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle44
Maybe not... it's called a safeguard... most everyone gets all their troops down fairly fast... and then IF some units are still alive the match continues until the last one dies or is victorious... just like the if someone atks in last second of clan war the war continues until everyone currently battling finishesQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle44
But obviously again you're ignoring the fact that as ive said before not all battles currently finish before the time limitQuote:
Originally Posted by 31rambo
Has nobody brought up the fact that this says: POLL even though there is no actual poll? :smirk:
I'm just saying that for when you are able to destroy all defenses, it will not be possible to run out of time on your attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
Ok.. so if I attack and drop one troop, I can wait for as long as I want until the battle is over? What if it was during the last minutes of war? The war would go on for as long as you could keep the raid open. This is honestly a terrible idea and there are so many holes. Don't come out and tell me i'm wrong and i'm "suppressing your opinions". Im not and you can say whatever you please. Come back with a good thread and a better attitude and I would gladly discuss this idea with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
Certain people won't admit they deleted stuff and then lied about it and they continue to try to destroy everyone else's good ideas. They don't know how to properly read what's written nor comprehend what's written and some even try to throw completely different subject into this and others try to support some claiming they were here from the beginning but when confronted about their claims won't step up and confirm or deny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheeserman
Since I have to spell this out.... whichever happens first if either all atking units die or if all defending units and buildings die or are destroyedQuote:
Originally Posted by 31rambo
That's not what he is talking about. You called this a poll in the thread title but there is no actual poll at the top of the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
No... once the timer hits 3 minutes then no more units would be able to be played. It's only terrible idea to those misunderstanding it or not wanting to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle44
Then I guess I am misunderstanding it because it is a terrible idea imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
I completely understand it now..Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
And its still a terrible idea.
Originally I had suggested an approximate time increase to 4 minutes total but this Rambo person who's only been a member for 8 days can't get it thru his head.... later another member added to this making a better idea suggestion that I support...
battle starts and gives 3 minutes; during that time if attacker surrenders then it's over... If there are no atking units in play when the timer hits 3 minutes then the atk ends right there. If there are units left in play when timer hits 3 minutes the list of playable atking units if any, disappears the match then eends when either the last atking unit dies or the last enemy bldg /unit is destroyed /killed. It's the same principle as clan war battles themselves... If someone is battling when clan war timer ends then the clan war continues till the last attacker finishes... If it's okay for clan war then why the heck wouldn't it be okay for the battles themselves. If you can't understand this explanation then you have a bigger problem that I don't think can be solved.
The problem isn't that we don't understand it, cause we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
Its just that we don't agree with it.
Why does it matter that I have had an account for 8 days? I've been around much longer, just thought it was about time to contribute instead of just read.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
If no attacking units are in play by the 3 min mark, they are either dead or attacker hasn't dropped them. If they are dead, battle ends much earlier. If they are still in the troop bar undeployed, battle ends at 3 minutes anyway. So this is already in the game.
If troops are still alive by 3 minutes, chances are defenses will not be there anymore or defenses will kill remaining troops. If defenses are not around, this just serves as an infinite timer for your 1 golemite to destroy 10 buildings in 4 different corners of the base without running out of time. If there are defenses left, it wouldn't matter if you get extra time because you don't get the 3 star anyway.
I hope you understand this.
There is no poll. So.....Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
I agree. I wouldn't suggest adding on a whole other 2 minutes though. I'd suggest at least 10-15 more seconds would be fine by me. Too many "ohhh so close" happen in war because time runs out.
Yes.
An extra 10s for attacking TH8
An extra 20s for attacking TH9
An extra 30s for attacking TH10
At these higher levels, the battle is biased to the defenders, with respect to getting three stars. 10-30 seconds is unlikely to overcorrect, and is likely to encourage some more creative attack strategies.
This new idea to require all troops placed by the 3 minute mark is odd. It doesn't really go the heart of the matter, but why disallow completion of a battle with a couple of very late goblins?
Here's my constructive advice. Stop calling people trolls, stop calling people liars, and accept the fact that it is a very very very slim chance that supercell will put this into the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
Actually if you disconnect in a battle, it will resume until you time out. And you are not necessarily inactive when watching the battle. Fairly easy to just keep tapping the screen while the golemite smashes away.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
I disagree, getting the job done within 3 minutes is part of the challenge.
Usually when players fail to get the job done in 3 minutes they have wasted too long luring, I've seen many raids where an entire minute is wasted activating CC, luring it to the corner, Poising and killing it with archers.
Yeah, that's how a lot of my clanmates will raid in war. If they get the chance at 3 stars, many times they won't have enough time to finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by daz258
Don't worry, I've deleted a ton of stuff in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by 31rambo
Guys, unless it returns to the topic and remains friendly it's getting locked.
Thank you.
Stitch.
That's very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by daz258
to maintain balance:
Give attackers more time. 10s, 20s, 30s at THs 8, 9, 10
Give defending heroes auto-rage.
Have CC defense troops wander back into the CC if they have no target.
Yep! Especially sad when it was a lava hound that I think is best ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by daz258
Because of only few people who run out of time , it's not any sense in increasing time by 4 minutes rather than learning how to finish it in 3 minutes because 3 minutes are enough for many people. Now because it's possible in 3 minutes, it means you already have a fair chance to finish fully and if not then better you learn first before asking for more time. It's however very good if time limit increases about 20 or 30 seconds but more than that would be uninteresting.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
It would be nice if war was increased by 15 SECONDS at most. If game gave too much time, you would probably see more QueenWalks and other slow armies to gain 3 stars. Increasing time by a minute or two is WAY too long. Those TH10's that use just healers and heroes would literally be able to get three stars without much strategy. Just deploy AQ, healers, have some rage if AQ health gets low and see three stars appear more often than TH7 mass dragon.
Off Topic:Why has the OP bumped his own page several times in a row with multiposting?(I'm talking 4 posts of just that person)
Well, I'm suggesting this to be added as a spell...
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ell-suggestion
Why don't people understand a simple fact that it is a 'Time Trial'. You are given only 3 minutes to complete your task which is to destroy the enemy base as much as you can. If you destroy it completely, it's well and good. But if you are unable to do that, it means the enemy's defense was very good. Starting from TH1, you will observe that as the Townhall level rises, it becomes difficult to attack and comparatively easier to defend. It's the way this game works. To fail to take 3 stars at higher TH levels because of any reason (Time shortage too) is fairly normal because the opponent has expended too much time and resources to avoid easy 3 stars on his base.
I'd say the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by 31rambo
Yeah, there isn't always enough time, but that because people don't bring a suitable clean up crew, or save an archer for that builder hut in the side.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
Because in the early levels, it wasn't. Three minutes is an eternity until you think of trying mass Giants.Quote:
Originally Posted by BadBoy101
Good Idea, I feel like it should be more than 3 minutes. Hate it when you get 2 stars because that dragon was toooooo slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
If by OP you mean me thenQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterOfAllTimeAndMagic
1. I never bumped the thread
2. If there were more than one post by me in a row it's because I was responding to multiple messages and maybe even some of the posts I responded to were deleted idk.
While 2 minutes for destroying a TH 5 is mostly enough, you will get problems when attacking the brand new TH 11. Maybe 15 more seconds for high TH-levels
Assuming you are right and the moderator did indeed delete posts(I think a mod on here recently said that), it should be mostly 2 then. Anyways, it does look weird with you having 3 posts in a row on the first page(with a total of 6):confused:.Quote:
Originally Posted by AvengerKyuubi
On-Topic:Adding on to 15 seconds idea, it should auto add it after you get 75% damage. I don't think all attackers should get the extra time(unless SuperCell wants it) because that could result in those attackers that take too long for 50% to get 50%.(Super Queen, GoWiz, other slower armies for 50%)
Normal 3 minute time limit then depending on what units are left, based on a percentage of their total health and atk strength (I'll leave that to SC to decide what percentages), if normal 3 minute time runs out then all units and abilities left unplayed are disabled from being played or activated... the unit list disappears and all non essential stuff as well and it goes into OT (if there are any remaining units on the field). Basically it looks exactly the same as if you were watching a replay. Units remaining would be allocated a percentage time as mentioned earlier that allows them to do whatever they would've normally done and when OT time runs out the match ends. It is still my opinion for a 4 minute total time meaning 1 minute OT; however I'd be okay with 30 seconds OT for a total of 3:30. Ultimately I realize it would be best for SC to test this out to come up with a best possible OT time and if it would be even possible.