Players show no real engagement in derby

Hi,
some members of my farm refuse opting out of the derby, although they claim not to have enough time to do the job properly. They say they would give their best, but do not realize that in the derby the best is not always enough and that they keep us from winning trophies. Instead they are reproaching me with dictatorship and other very bad insults when I urge them into opting out of the derby or even leaving the neighborhood. Others simply forget opting out and are not playing at all, but are counted in the task list, of course.
I know that other leaders of neighborhods are very strict in this matter, but I have already skipped so many players from my neighborhood since the derby has started. I am tired of this.
Cannot HayDay improve a button that allows leaders to skip players from the derby, too? This would help a lot, I think. I love the game very much, but since the derby has started it is troubling me. The improvements having been made are very clever and helpful, too, but the above mentioned issue is maybe a good addition, or?:confused:

If anyone was insulting me I would certainly send them away.

Two choices:

1. Stick to kicking out people who don't follow your rules. I know, you are tired of this.
2. Change the reason and how you play the derby. Since your neighborhood members are pushing back on your rules, maybe you all need to decide if winning is your goal or the horseshoe prizes. My group wins at times but not every time and we enjoy helping each other being successful at both the game and the derby. Win or not, the derby is a small part of our gameplay.

Thank you so much! Your answers helped me getting back my self confidence and usual strength to handle problems :heart::thumbsup::heart:

You might want to have a hood of yourself, but when it does not run well and you do not enjoy micro managing it, how about joining some successful and competitive hood to play together?

I mean, you can learn their way, how to deal with members causing problem, how they organise for tasks... And when you feel you are ready to run your own hood, you will know what to do.

Or alternatively SC could do what has been repeatedly asked of them and make Leaders able to opt players out of the Derby.

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Originally Posted by SmallChange

Or alternatively SC could do what has been repeatedly asked of them and make Leaders able to opt players out of the Derby.

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And when player opt back in, then what? They apparently want to participate but just not in the manner op wants. Or are you suggesting only the leader have option of opt in or out?

Hi,
thx again for your answers. I have really thought about leaving my neighborhood and joining another or opening a new one ( would be the 2nd time). But, alas, I am really fond of most of my team as we have been playing together right from the beginning. It is only for 2 players who refuse to follow our rules. I have already kicked out one of them by now and as for the other I am waiting till Monday after the derby has finished - kind of giving a last chance :smirk:
I still think an opt out button would help in this case. Why not for leaders only? Maybe SC could think about it:confused:
I wish you a wonderful Hay Day :heart:

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Originally Posted by hekla

Hi,
some members of my farm refuse opting out of the derby, although they claim not to have enough time to do the job properly. They say they would give their best, but do not realize that in the derby the best is not always enough and that they keep us from winning trophies. Instead they are reproaching me with dictatorship and other very bad insults when I urge them into opting out of the derby or even leaving the neighborhood. Others simply forget opting out and are not playing at all, but are counted in the task list, of course.
I know that other leaders of neighborhods are very strict in this matter, but I have already skipped so many players from my neighborhood since the derby has started. I am tired of this.
Cannot HayDay improve a button that allows leaders to skip players from the derby, too? This would help a lot, I think. I love the game very much, but since the derby has started it is troubling me. The improvements having been made are very clever and helpful, too, but the above mentioned issue is maybe a good addition, or?:confused:

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Kick them , you do not need players like that. Lol. Quality is better than quantity.

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Originally Posted by Kartat

Kick them , you do not need players like that. Lol. Quality is better than quantity.

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The derby favors large, full neighborhoods. I have the unique perspective that my daughter and I are not in the same nh. Mine is 20 active players and hers is a mix of 30. We always got max horseshoes from the start of the derby. Hers rarely got more than 1 or 2. First derby change. We immediately were paired with insanely competitive nh and won maybe once or twice. Hers started doing more tasks, slowly moving toward 5 horseshoes and WON all the time! They went from around 20 to 30 also. The impact of the change made us evolve how we played derby and it is less important than derby-focused people here seem to be. With the leagues, we are able to win again and are just below the championship league as is my daughter's nh. Hers will likely move there and mine probably won't. Why? We clearly outscore hers every derby but they get the win and we don't. They have 6-8 marginal players and 4-5 who do no tasks and my nh does them all. Those extra members, even though they marginally play, help them with the matching system as it is.

Bottom line, like it or not, agree with it or not, the best place for a nh is to be filled up with some marginal players than to be full of "quality players" because it is geared toward full, relatively active members, not just a few hardcore ones. At least that is how my daughter's nh seems to win over and over with more players and less points than mine. Her competition is MUCH LESS FIERCE than the ones my group is matched with.

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Originally Posted by godzsogood

The derby favors large, full neighborhoods. I have the unique perspective that my daughter and I are not in the same nh. Mine is 20 active players and hers is a mix of 30. We always got max horseshoes from the start of the derby. Hers rarely got more than 1 or 2. First derby change. We immediately were paired with insanely competitive nh and won maybe once or twice. Hers started doing more tasks, slowly moving toward 5 horseshoes and WON all the time! They went from around 20 to 30 also. The impact of the change made us evolve how we played derby and it is less important than derby-focused people here seem to be. With the leagues, we are able to win again and are just below the championship league as is my daughter's nh. Hers will likely move there and mine probably won't. Why? We clearly outscore hers every derby but they get the win and we don't. They have 6-8 marginal players and 4-5 who do no tasks and my nh does them all. Those extra members, even though they marginally play, help them with the matching system as it is.

Bottom line, like it or not, agree with it or not, the best place for a nh is to be filled up with some marginal players than to be full of "quality players" because it is geared toward full, relatively active members, not just a few hardcore ones. At least that is how my daughter's nh seems to win over and over with more players and less points than mine. Her competition is MUCH LESS FIERCE than the ones my group is matched with.

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I am also in 30 hood with inactive players, on track to win this derby to move into champ league. No extra tasks done. No diamond to trash. No one opt out. I am confirmation of godzsogood's observation

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Originally Posted by haydayforum

And when player opt back in, then what? They apparently want to participate but just not in the manner op wants. Or are you suggesting only the leader have option of opt in or out?

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not to mention, I can see a potential problem with this, leaders will find a way to abuse such power, it isnt at all a good idea to give so much power to one person.

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Originally Posted by rbcrewser

I am reading your post interpreting that you are the leader? Then simply show those who don't play the way you want to in your NH the exit door. There are so many seeking very competitive NH I doubt you would have a hard time recruiting.

But, I will leave you with a thought. If those other players can't trash tasks and thus are stuck with ones they might find undesirable or impossible with their time schedule to finish, then you can't really get mad at them if there is simply nothing there they want to do.

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I agree ⬆️.

Are you the leader? Being the leader in a nh now that we have derby can be very hard. Feelings get hurt. Do you have a voting system in your nh? We do in ours. It has worked well for us. While I am "leader" I hope its by title only. If there are players you are not happy with, warn them privatly by email/kik/pm. If this does not resolve the problem, then your only choice is to remove them. Some love the derby and are very competitive. Others don't see the point and could care less. If you would like to have your nh in the top every week I think you know what needs to be done.

While I was totally against being able to see the derby log I have found it is very helpful for all of us in our nh. We can see who needs help without pestering them. While I really don't think it is a good idea for a leader to be able to have the opt in/out feature control, I can see where some would be able to use this wisely.

Do whats best for your game. It is your game after all. Remember we are here to have fun right?? 😀

I agree with you that opting out can be a tough process to figure out. I agree with the other posters that you should book out the people that don't comply (after a few warnings). You don't want a few people ruining it for the others.

"While I was totally against being able to see the derby log I have found it is very helpful for all of us in our nh."

Hmmm.

I was kicked out of neighbor hood. I tried to keep up with tasks and was able to get my 8 tasks done until this last derby task as my husband needed me and could not spend the time this last derby. I told them my husband did not want me on the I pad all the time to play the derby. How does one opt out of a derby, but still likes the neighbour hood . Now I cannot collect my horse shoes. So I get nothing for last derby and I joined another NH and still cannot collect. One has to understand marriage is priority number one. Jlaw128. Riverview farm

After you opt into derby in a new nh, you should get your prizes. If not, contact SC through the in app support. But you have to be in a new hood.

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Originally Posted by godzsogood

The derby favors large, full neighborhoods. I have the unique perspective that my daughter and I are not in the same nh. Mine is 20 active players and hers is a mix of 30. We always got max horseshoes from the start of the derby. Hers rarely got more than 1 or 2. First derby change. We immediately were paired with insanely competitive nh and won maybe once or twice. Hers started doing more tasks, slowly moving toward 5 horseshoes and WON all the time! They went from around 20 to 30 also. The impact of the change made us evolve how we played derby and it is less important than derby-focused people here seem to be. With the leagues, we are able to win again and are just below the championship league as is my daughter's nh. Hers will likely move there and mine probably won't. Why? We clearly outscore hers every derby but they get the win and we don't. They have 6-8 marginal players and 4-5 who do no tasks and my nh does them all. Those extra members, even though they marginally play, help them with the matching system as it is.

Bottom line, like it or not, agree with it or not, the best place for a nh is to be filled up with some marginal players than to be full of "quality players" because it is geared toward full, relatively active members, not just a few hardcore ones. At least that is how my daughter's nh seems to win over and over with more players and less points than mine. Her competition is MUCH LESS FIERCE than the ones my group is matched with.

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I have not seen the same thing with my NH, so I don't agree with you and Haydayforum.

Since you said your daughters NH normally wins with less derby points than your NH, it would mean she is not facing as tough opponents as you. Despite all hay days supposed tweaking of the algorithyms, one week you can get NHs you blow away, while doing the same points as last week, where you didn't place at all.

It is all about the luck of the algorithym draw really. My NH mostly seems to have gotten tougher matches, so players that did not meet minimum or were inactive hurt us badly. My NH is 30 strong and last derby in the champions league, we came 3rd with over 66000 points.

So, all these theories about what is best ratio of players for a NH, are based on the shakey foundation, of the luck of the draw algorithym. Anyone who says its only based on how many points you do by how many players you have, simply doesn't pan out for me. If one week you can be in a dogfight, and the next you are blowing the competition away, it seems based on a lot of luck of the draw.

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Originally Posted by FurryButt

I have not seen the same thing with my NH, so I don't agree with you and Haydayforum.

Since you said your daughters NH normally wins with less derby points than your NH, it would mean she is not facing as tough opponents as you. Despite all hay days supposed tweaking of the algorithyms, one week you can get NHs you blow away, while doing the same points as last week, where you didn't place at all.

It is all about the luck of the algorithym draw really. My NH mostly seems to have gotten tougher matches, so players that did not meet minimum or were inactive hurt us badly. My NH is 30 strong and last derby in the champions league, we came 3rd with over 66000 points.

So, all these theories about what is best ratio of players for a NH, are based on the shakey foundation, of the luck of the draw algorithym. Anyone who says its only based on how many points you do by how many players you have, simply doesn't pan out for me. If one week you can be in a dogfight, and the next you are blowing the competition away, it seems based on a lot of luck of the draw.

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I agree with you about luck of draw. We certainly do not win each time. But we are in champ league, so won enough. The point i was trying to make is that we do not have to do all 320 point tasks each and every derby. So we have less stress that way. If hood is determined to win at all costs each derby, there is added stress and drama no matter your size. At least in large hood you can be successful regardless of playing style. For that reason, i think SC designed derby around large hoods, so small hoods are finding it much more difficult. Many of the demands being posted are only requirements for small hoods. They may be beneficial for all hoods, but the rhetoric and anger stems mostly from frustration built in dynamics of small hoods.

Oh I do agree with you there Haydayforum. Despite us being a large hood, in the Champions League, us leaders discussed it and decided on a minimum derby total of 1000, individual derby tasks not less than 200. For a NH that is very derby oriented like mine, 1000 points is a low minimum, but we like it that way. You can do more than 1000 and most of our neighbours do, but you don't have to.

We feel a low minimum takes into account people have real lives and things happen. Real life comes first. With such a low minimum, we are strict about it. If someone doesn't make it once, and hasn't said a reason why, or opted out of the derby, the leaders notice and we watch them the next derby.

Personally, I feel a low minimum makes things more fun, because we are not forcing people. So when they do 2700 t0 2800 points in a derby, or more, it is their choice :).

Yes, there is the luck of the draw aspect to matchups. The larger nh my daughter is in has little competition week to week so they win frequently. It seems about 2 out of 3 derbies or better. Week before championship league, first and second were separated by over 10,000 points. That same derby for us saw less than a hundred and from first to last differed by maybe 1000. We had 20 people in to their 30 member nh. Last week, they again placed in the top 3. My only point is the more players you have, the easier matchups because, for lack of a better word, the deadwood in larger nh is experienced by nearly all of them while in my "leaner" nh, deadwood is a huge disadvantage.