Wasted (hog?) DPS? Please explain what that means.Quote:
Originally Posted by castnblast
Pure rubbishQuote:
Originally Posted by sessions
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Wasted (hog?) DPS? Please explain what that means.Quote:
Originally Posted by castnblast
Pure rubbishQuote:
Originally Posted by sessions
Why do you say pure rubbish, i have had more success going this route then using mass drag, dragaloon, gowipe etc, th8 is hard fun, gowipe is a 90% 2 star atk, mass drag, or dragaloon dealing with ad's that are all lvl 6 can be quite frustrating, i would say i respect your opinion but you really didn't give 1, just said pure rubbish, most of the time in war most bases that i have to deal with are max th8, thats why i prefer to surgical hog. There are some bases that are obviously not hog base bases. I'm not a 3 star master yet nor claim to be.
I'm just giving a opinion or prefered method of atk.
Apologies, am rushing and probably wasn't the best wording. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sessions
Nitpick, but you said, "the only way to go." I only surgical at TH9. TH8? I almost always group my hogs together, as substantially all (defined as 90% or greater) either (1) don't even have DGB or (2) they don't pop at the same time (bad setup). It's much easier and efficient to heal one huge group of hogs than 2 or more groups.
Note that I'm not saying surgical won't work at TH8, I'm just saying that you can, "one-group" your hogs with massive success as well.
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Originally Posted by ThatSuspiciousSuspect
Attack strategy videos belong in the attack strategy section of the forum - it has always been that way and until you came along, nobody was complaining. You are not a forum mod so stop spamming every video post with this same ridiculous response.
Never had good luck just one grouping my hogs, always have to go 3-5 hogs at a time and just letting them come back as a group eventually. Farming i 100% agree with that with one groupQuote:
Originally Posted by Lunaticfringe
Thank you guys for the response. I decided to start this TH8 hog series of videos because I saw most YouTube channels ignoring TH8s. I have also ignored TH8s and purely done 3 star TH9 videos, but I wanted to test some theories i had at TH8 and try and help my clan as well as other clans with some sounds 3 star methods.
I watch players try and 3 star bases with mass hogs at th8 and fail over and over again. I even tried mass group hogs and did not see as much success as the using the methods that I am showing. This also depends largely on how the base is set up, where the traps are set, where the king is at, and to a lesser degree what device you play on so you can direct your troops while seeing the whole screen.
I have used hogs at TH9 and made 3 star videos on them for quite awhile now so the method of spreading them out was second nature to me and made more sense when you talk about dps vs defensive HP. To put it simply imagine 1 defense with take 5 hogs 1 hammer swing to take it down, then why would you waste the time on putting 12 hogs on that same defence as they get shot by two sided by side defenses. It would make more sense to split that group at both those defense so they take 2 down in that same amount of time and take away 2 points of fire. Furthermore if you can tank those front line defense with 1 giant then you can heal that pack as they combine into the next ring of defenses. Hope that makes sense.
Thank you for the comments and suggestions. Like I stated i will have much more examples uploaded.
Also look up Onehive Raids How To Use Hogs At Th8 In Clash Of Clans for more helpful videos
Props for video, as submitting these types of things for public scrutiny is tough.
AgreeQuote:
Originally Posted by tyler4
Agree once again. I have no idea how spreading your hogs is a, "waste of DPS." That doesn't make much sense. Further, there is a drawback to spreading your hogs to cover more defenses in that you increase the number of defenses in action, which, stated another way, increases the DPS being done to your hogs. By keeping them tighter, you engage less defenses, reducing DPS against you.Quote:
Originally Posted by tyler4
And I tend to agree with OneHive that using a giant as a distraction isn't necessary at TH8, primarily based on the minor increase in hog stats to L5 vs. the huge increase in Giant stats to L6 (both, of course at TH9).
This is where I think you should spend your time. I would recommend against saying things like, "it's a waste of DPS," for that simply isn't true/comes at a cost. One/few groups of hogs works for many others stunningly well, so I caution against even suggesting it doesn't. What consistently works for you, however, I think is valuable information and worthy of sharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by castnblast
See comment above about base DPS and also understand that you want your hogs to, "one touch" a defense and it be destroyed, especially early. The faster you destroy a host of defenses at the beginning, the better; that's all the less DPS that can be used against you for the remainder of the raid.Quote:
Originally Posted by castnblast
Also, see comment above
No, it takes them much longer to destroy said defense as well, to say nothing about spring traps which cause you to make adjustments mid-run (not a good thing in my mind), while a "single" group just fills in behind whatever hogs got sprung.Quote:
Originally Posted by castnblast
See reference above to OneHive videos where they recommend against such. That's much better at TH9 due to massive increase in L6 giant statsQuote:
Originally Posted by castnblast
Please don't take my comments to be rude or disrespectful, I just don't agree with many arguments you are making here. Like I said, it's not easy opening yourself to criticism on a public forum, so I give major props to helping the community, unlike others who boast ludicrous claims then won't back them up with proof/videos...
Thank you for your input and encouragement you bring up may valid points and ideas. I agree with much you have to say. As I always state every base you encounter has a type of attack that will work better than others. I may have not been specific about what i mean at " spreading hogs out a bit. I do agree that spreading them out too thin will leave you to get over powered by too many defenses and possibly thrown off by spring traps and start to lose the DPS/HP battle against the base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lunaticfringe
I have spent most the game attacking town hall 9's and making videos for those alone. Most my thoughts and attack methods I have taken from that experience. It has worked great for me at TH8 now so that is what i am trying to share. When i do attack I am not spreading Hogs as thin as 9 since I am also no using interior golems to tank at the mid levels. Hopefully what I have learned with TH8 hogs will help other. Of course i will keep perfecting my theories with my TH8 account and sharing what i learn with the community.
I appreciate your write up. I do not take it as rude as your points are thought out and you are sharing your plans as well. So far my ideas have worked great but everyone will have a style that works best for them. The heals are most important so if people get lost working their troops into the base and are not on point with their heals then neither attack style will work. I have noticed as you stated that the giant tanking method is not as effective at th8 as it is at th9 but for bases with exterior wiz towers and spread out base styles it has been great for me.
Here is another quick video I did as a follow up showing my same theory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfXxZyQEIhk
As always I would love to hear thoughts and ideas.
Well, it's a sentiment that OneHive promotes, I just happen to agree with it. I'd be curious about your results if you did your exact same strat, except lose the giants. I bet you'll have just as much success, but I'd be interested if you could point to some examples where it failed, but otherwise would have worked with giants as distract.Quote:
Originally Posted by castnblast