Revenge Solution: Inspection List

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Originally Posted by AxionXD

This still doesn't fix the underlining issue that created the current state of Revenge.

The reason revenge was nerfed was to prevent Cheap Shielding. Your feature would only bring that feature back, the only difference is you basically made it GUARANTEED that you'll get the Cheap Shield while before, you at least had to time things right and still heavily relied on luck.

Good try, back to the drawing board...

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Axion; always a pleasure to read your replies, very through and polite. I do however- disagree with the notion that because something can happen at high levels, that everyone else needs to suffer. We do know the revenge system is useless around Masters league and higher. I personally think this is a plausible idea at lower levels; having the right to revenge someone who attacked you first- regardless of how long ago it was. So to me there is a good idea in the works here..


Rather than the entire community having to pay the price for cheap shielding at higher leagues, I believe it should be inverted: What if revenge was just flat removed from champs and higher? This would solve the cheap shielding issue, and simultaneously widen the parameters for an improved revenge system in lower leagues.

Its up to us to hammer out the ideas that will improve the game in the long run.

Clash on!

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Originally Posted by AxionXD

I forgot I had this pre-made in my saved folders:


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Revenge was modified in the past to combat "Cheap Shielding".

Cheap Shielding
What is it? This was a major issue in higher league game play. With there being lower population and thus a low pool for potential matchmaking, higher league (Champions) players would routinely see the same bases multiple times. Some creative clasher(s) discovered a way to take advantage of this phenomena.

A member of a clan who wanted a free shield without risk losing his loot would coordinate with a clan mate (and now a days can easily use an alternate account) and expose his TH while leaving the clan. He would then time it so as he exited the game and became available for attack, his friend or alt would begin searching. Noting that there's so little bases available in the higher leagues, it was quiet common and almost too easy to find this base.

So now this player got a free shield but it doesn't end there. The second player, or alternate account, now has this player on his defense log. So now when the second player wanted a free shield, it was even easier to get it because all he had to do was leave the clan and time it so the first player, or alternate account, would revenge him immediately.

This kept everyone's loot and trophies safe but made the Cloud (matchmaking) problem even worse.

Revenge - As It Is Today
So how did this affect revenge? Supercell added a 5-7 minute buffer so when someone logs out, they are placed in queue for regular matchmaking. Revenge is NOT available during this 5-7 minute period.

With anyone in Crystal or above, where league bonuses for TH sniping is profitable, you are unlikely to survive matchmaking longer than the 5-7 minute buffer. As an exposed TH9 in Crystal 2, I get sniped within 30 seconds. So there are probably dozens if not hundreds of defense logs that I appear on with players just like you hitting my revenge button and can never get to me.

How many players do you think are also hitting your revenge button but are unable to get through?

The current revenge system protects you as much as it protects them.

Notifications of User Status
I know a common question and concern, even to the extent of accusing players of h@cking, is how could one second a player is "online" then all of the sudden he has a shield.

The answer to this question is, the status of being online over rules the status of having a shield. Just because a user is online doesn't mean he broke his shield. He could be using his war attacks, logged on to build troops for future use or otherwise not breaking his shield. As he logs out, the message then becomes "shielded" without seeing "currently under attack"

Easier Revenges
Do we really want easier revenges? Some suggest bypassing shields or online protection.

Let me ask you this:

How many people have you attacked today? This week? This month?
How many people have attacked you and took enough loot for you to get Nesson Angry?

Any decent farmer will have far more people wanting to revenge them then they have to revenge. By making it easier, or making it so revenges can bypass shield, imagine what you may wake up to the next day after a full day of farming. Imagine all 10 people that you rocked for 350k each and 2k of dark elixir are all able to study your base, build the perfect war army, bypass your shield and take it all back. ALL 10 OF THEM. Now imagine if you did more. Attacked 20, 30, 40 people....

I would not want to open myself up to that. The pandemonium that would result for something like this would be equivalent to the internet's reaction the day after Game of Throne's Red Wedding episode aired.

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Thank you for this super- detailed explanation! :)

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Originally Posted by pixlon

So, you probably all know that there isn't often a chance to revenge. When I click on all revenge buttons in my defense log, there are maybe 3 or 4
players who are not online or have no shield. And of course the ones who you could attack, have no loot. So I thought about that problem a while.

Of course it would destroy the game balance if you could revenge everybody, even if he has a shield. It would be very dangerous to attack, and that shouldn't happen. So this is my idea of a balanced revenge system solution:

You can put ONE player of your defense log on an inspection list. If this player is offline and doesn't have a shield, you will get a notification. If you hurry up, you can attack this player before he gets a shield again. So you can look which player would be worth to attack and then put him on your inspection list.

Balancing:
1. You can use your list only once a day for one player.
2. You can't use your list if you are a champion or above, because you would attack simply anybody who is destroyable.

Hope you like it! Please comment!

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excilent idea. very good

You guys have too much time on your hands. Think of how many revenge opportunities you have missed because you were discussing an idea that a majority of people would never want to see after it is implemented and they realize they are on the same list for other people and lose 300 to 500k when they have to run to the bathroom or have to put their phone down before the teacher confiscates it.
That has to be the longest sentence I have ever written.

Besides, what is 1 revenge worth 200-300k when compared to earning 400k on a random base in the nexting process after factoring the League bonus that you wouldn't get in a revenge. I rarely ever use revenge except to teach the attacker that sniped me to build up their base before they try to climb to the top of the mountain. :) Air gets thin up here, don't it. :D

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Originally Posted by Oditio

excilent idea. very good

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5 million players as an example all decide to use this new feature so 5 million other players will need to be monitored every second all the time so as soon as they log off the server can immediately send a notification so the wronged party can get in their revenge before anyone else has the chance. Imagine the additonal server/network load from constantly checking the 5 million players in our example. The game will likely not run fast, infact it's liable to become unplayable.

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Originally Posted by kyleksq

Axion; always a pleasure to read your replies, very through and polite. I do however- disagree with the notion that because something can happen at high levels, that everyone else needs to suffer. We do know the revenge system is useless around Masters league and higher. I personally think this is a plausible idea at lower levels; having the right to revenge someone who attacked you first- regardless of how long ago it was. So to me there is a good idea in the works here..


Rather than the entire community having to pay the price for cheap shielding at higher leagues, I believe it should be inverted: What if revenge was just flat removed from champs and higher? This would solve the cheap shielding issue, and simultaneously widen the parameters for an improved revenge system in lower leagues.

Its up to us to hammer out the ideas that will improve the game in the long run.

Clash on!

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Thank you, I try my best not to just bash ideas but to give explanations and constructive criticism.

The issue is that this is not just some theoretical problems that we're envisioning.

This was a real problem that caused significant cloud and matchmaking issues in Champions. The same issue would rise again and would be amplified now that we have Titan and Legend leagues. A significant population in the higher leagues were never available through regular matchmaking as they made it a real business performing cheap shields all day, every day.

There's already a large complaint about clouds and bad cup offerings in Champions and above, allowing cheap shielding to return will only make it worse. It definitely will not make it better.

The only solution that I've seen and agree with is a reduction in the matchmaking buffer the lower you go in leagues. There should be no buffer either by Crystal 1, but definitely at least by Gold 1. However, it seems that most people below Gold 1 don't have issues with getting a revenge in, so it may be a fix that is somewhat unnecessary.

Your idea to completely removing it at Champions and higher, removing the buffer for Masters and lower would be acceptable as well, I think.



But that would be the only acceptable way of fixing revenge for at least SOME clashers, but to make it viable in higher leagues... it's just not worth making matchmaking even worse for those playing up there.

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Originally Posted by pixlon

So, you probably all know that there isn't often a chance to revenge. When I click on all revenge buttons in my defense log, there are maybe 3 or 4
players who are not online or have no shield. And of course the ones who you could attack, have no loot. So I thought about that problem a while.

Of course it would destroy the game balance if you could revenge everybody, even if he has a shield. It would be very dangerous to attack, and that shouldn't happen. So this is my idea of a balanced revenge system solution:

You can put ONE player of your defense log on an inspection list. If this player is offline and doesn't have a shield, you will get a notification. If you hurry up, you can attack this player before he gets a shield again. So you can look which player would be worth to attack and then put him on your inspection list.

Balancing:
1. You can use your list only once a day for one player.
2. You can't use your list if you are a champion or above, because you would attack simply anybody who is destroyable.

Hope you like it! Please comment!

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Currently Ruled Out:
Here are some amazing ideas that have been ruled out by the dev time for the time being. Posting these ideas will result in your thread being removed without notice
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Active/ Live “Online Status” examples: colored icons, on/off indicator, etc.

So it is ruled out. The part I bolded is kind of like a "Online Status", but it tells you when it is offline