Broken Matchmaking: On Purpose?

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October 27th, 2015
shooshmonk

Broken Matchmaking: On Purpose?

Well, as you may know already:
MATCHMAKING IS NEVER EVEN
Even if you have an advantage, there is another clan complaining about it (opponent clan).
Our clan just hit level 9, and our journey while being level 8 was HORRIBLE...
Most times we had 3-5 th10 or less and our enemy clan usually has between 7 (if we are lucky) to 30 (has happened before) which are decently or even max upgraded...
MY THEORY: Supercell can patch this easily but they want us to struggle
so when the update comes out, we will be much happier.

Supercell has made war level a HUGE part of matchmaking.
We have a Sister Clan which is level 5 and recently we were paired against level 8 clan,
and we DESTROYED them and could have easily gotten a perfect war.
(This has happened several times times)

My Conclusion: Lower Level Clans= will be matched with higher level clans with BIG advantage.
Since most clans are level 7+, I believe that if your clan is level 5 or below, you will never have a big mismatch.
October 27th, 2015
OnyxDS

Or... with only a limited number of clans searching at any one time, the chance of one having the exact same combination of TH as you, let alone the same progress within TH is small. Occam's razor.

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Originally Posted by shooshmonk

Most times we had 3-5 th10 or less and our enemy clan usually has between 7 (if we are lucky) to 30 (has happened before) which are decently or even max upgraded...

Obviously SC don't like you, or you've done something to earn very bad karma, because we have 2 TH10s and the enemy has 2 usually. 3 this war, but they are weak ones.
We have had wars where the enemy has 6+, once 20+, but as you would expect those wars were a joke and we walked all over them.

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My Conclusion: Lower Level Clans= will be matched with higher level clans with BIG advantage.
Since most clans are level 7+, I believe that if your clan is level 5 or below, you will never have a big mismatch.

We don't see it. Our feeder is still level 4, and of course mostly wars against level 7 clans. They've had some tough matches. Our main's current war is 8 vs 6 on clan levels - easiest war in terms of base weights and troops we've seen for ages. I've pretty much put us in practice mode on the assumption we've won already - and we're still in prep day.
October 27th, 2015
shooshmonk

Wow

Well iv seen constant posts about bad matchups and similar situations to me so i think your situations is pretty rare and lucky....
October 27th, 2015
whp4

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Originally Posted by shooshmonk

Well iv seen constant posts about bad matchups and similar situations to me so i think your situations is pretty rare and lucky....

Yeah, obviously you are getting a representative sample, because everyone who gets a good matchup takes the time to post a thread here telling us about it, right? Oh, wait...

If there are 10s of millions of Clash of Clans players, how many wars do you think start each day? The number of complaints here is miniscule.

And what is your source for the claim that most clans are level 7+? Easily demonstrated not to be true.
October 27th, 2015
JJ2478

Oh, they have 2 Th7s where we have TH6s! One of our TH7s is matched with a TH5(this makes no sense:P)! They have a TH9 with 1 xbow, ours has 2! They have 2 TH3s where we have TH4s! It evens out.... This match looks terrible, but actually its really not.
October 27th, 2015
TangoFever

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Originally Posted by whp4

Yeah, obviously you are getting a representative sample, because everyone who gets a good matchup takes the time to post a thread here telling us about it, right? Oh, wait...

If there are 10s of millions of Clash of Clans players, how many wars do you think start each day? The number of complaints here is miniscule.

And what is your source for the claim that most clans are level 7+? Easily demonstrated not to be true.

I may add: not only the number of complaints are minuscule, the vast majority of those complaints are unfounded due to lack of knowledge about match making and base weight. BTW, OP your assessment of mismatch is incorrect since you are using irrelevant factors to compare.
October 28th, 2015
athancoreextreme

normally if they have more 10s

even if its 1-30 and you guys only have 7 th10s...that would mean any of the ff. scenario:

1. the opponents have no war troops
2. only infernos, xbows levelled up and other defs will be at mediocre level
3. very low level heroes

it will never happen that the other opponent will have 1-30 maxed th10 accounts and you guys will only have 7.

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Originally Posted by shooshmonk

Well, as you may know already:
MATCHMAKING IS NEVER EVEN
Even if you have an advantage, there is another clan complaining about it (opponent clan).
Our clan just hit level 9, and our journey while being level 8 was HORRIBLE...
Most times we had 3-5 th10 or less and our enemy clan usually has between 7 (if we are lucky) to 30 (has happened before) which are decently or even max upgraded...
MY THEORY: Supercell can patch this easily but they want us to struggle
so when the update comes out, we will be much happier.

Supercell has made war level a HUGE part of matchmaking.
We have a Sister Clan which is level 5 and recently we were paired against level 8 clan,
and we DESTROYED them and could have easily gotten a perfect war.
(This has happened several times times)

My Conclusion: Lower Level Clans= will be matched with higher level clans with BIG advantage.
Since most clans are level 7+, I believe that if your clan is level 5 or below, you will never have a big mismatch.
October 28th, 2015
JKL2207

I doubt matchmaking is broken on purpose.

The very design of the game which doesn't dictate to players on how to play/upgrade path is the reason why mismatches can and do happen. There are strategic elements when players choose to upgrade which is part of the game design, but not all players notice or bother with these until it's too late.
October 28th, 2015
thecoolkyle

Look in your gold storages, add all the hp in all your gold storages together, now compair to it your mirror, this is how it is calculated, mind blown
October 28th, 2015
nerfedname

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Originally Posted by shooshmonk

Since most clans are level 7+

do you really believe this to be true?

For real?
October 28th, 2015
nerfedname

Quote:

Originally Posted by shooshmonk

Well iv seen constant posts about bad matchups and similar situations to me so i think your situations is pretty rare and lucky....

true, but the relative share of the Clans community that comes on the forums to whine is vanishingly small.

Clan war matchups are no where NEARLY as bad as the perception one might get from reading the forums...
October 28th, 2015
hoopstime98

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Originally Posted by shooshmonk

Well iv seen constant posts about bad matchups and similar situations to me so i think your situations is pretty rare and lucky....

That's because:

1. People love to complain.
2. People love to make excuses for losing.
3. People have no idea how matchmaking actually works (people constantly talk about X number of this TH vs X number of this TH...TH has no impact on matchmaking. Same for talking about how "I got matched" with an enemy base, which also has no impact as matchmaking doesn't match individuals, only clans).

In short, people see things that they don't understand, and rather than working to understand them they just decide "it's broken".
January 24th, 2017
MrJackrabbit

Found this little gem on page 111. No need for new posts. It's right here. Interesting I actually recognize the op. He was in a clan I was in at one time.
The last post I like. Tells you there is nothing new under the sun.
January 24th, 2017
MossackFonseca

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Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit

Found this little gem on page 111. No need for new posts. It's right here. Interesting I actually recognize the op. He was in a clan I was in at one time.
The last post I like. Tells you there is nothing new under the sun.

While that is certainly a reasonable and common-sense post, that does not mean that it's totally accurate for today's war climate. It wasn't until March 2016 that the devs foolishly announced that they were placing a huge premium on defense, specifically 3 defenses, for war weight. Things have changed quite a bit for the worse since then, then changed quite a bit for the better more-recently I think.
January 24th, 2017
MrJackrabbit

My interperation was that the oct update went back to more like it was pre march. Yes there might be some small differences but I see a lot is very similar. Ie the closer the top few players got to max for that th the more likely the other side would have 1 a th higher. That higher one could be anywhere beginner, mid, or max.
People still complained about engineer clans or that th levels didn't match. Peoples solutions were the same as we have now.
Again nothing new under the sun.