Please Improve Clan War Match-up Search Engine

Hi Guys, I'm New Here in This Forum and This is My First Post Here. Please Pardon Me If I Make Any Mistake In This Thread.

I'm a Almost MAXED TH8 with 272 War Stars.
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I'm a CO-leader in My Clan. My Clan Name is "t()t@l m@yI-Iem", Clan Tag is #PVJQYV99.
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I'm being a CO-leader Since Establishing The Clan by our Leader Joe. Our Clan age is less than 1 Year. It's a Level 6 Clan. We do War Regularly. Our War Log is 64(Won)-3(LOST)-3(DRAW).
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This was The Introduction Part, Let's Come to The Topic. I've put those many Screen Shots just to show how much we are serious about our Wars. One Can See Our War Stars in Each War, We've got more than 90% Stars in each Wars. Our War Motto is to bring Full Stars. We've brought Full Stars in more than 30 wars, Including a 40v40 War. Even we've brought 146 Stras in a 50v50 war too. There is no TH10 in our Clan. We've only two TH9s and a few TH8,7,6,5,4. We always include players TH4s to Th9s all, in clan war.

It is The Second Time This Happened. See The Below Screen Shots.

This is Our War Map.
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This One is Enemy's.
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See Our War Bases.
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See Their War Bases
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Now My Point is How could Supercell Matchup This clan as our enemy?? See The TH10 have got two level3 Infernos and three level4 X-bows along with level 13 Heros. Is this a right matchup for us??


8 Days Ago The same thing happened, There was 1 Th10 with Infernos and Two TH9s. First One was Maxed TH9 with all troops and defences upgraded at their maximum level and with level 10 walls. And the rest one was rushed. This is our war result here below...
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I would like to request SuperCell to take special care about This War MisMatchUps. This is not only for our clan, if you survey properly you can see, many other clans are having the same problem. But probably lack of their Interest they don't put up a thread here on this issue.

We don't want to loose any more wars for just a silly MatchUp. We all in our clan are good enough to 3* more upgraded base of same TH level than us. But comparing a TH9 with a TH10 is too much foolish.

Adding a few Things:
Any of you can say that the time when we started for searching for war no other clans with same matchup(Two TH9s and a few TH8,7,6,5,4) were searching then. But this is quite dumb. I dont need to tell about the popularity of this game, so This isn't possible that no other 35 peopled clan were searching for war then with Two TH9s then. At-least war search result can show up to three or four TH9s there in enemy clan, but a TH10 is not good at all.



Any Type of Comments, Controversies are welcomed about this topic here and will be highly helpfull for me and my clan. Please add your Compliments about this issue.

Thank You.

when two clans are matched, they have similar war weight. When a clan is searching for war, it takes the total weight of everyone in war and searches for a clan with around the same total war weight. The matchmaking system does not match wars based on individual players so that every player gets an equal match, as the searches would take hours and maybe even days. Though the enemy number 1 has a better base than your number 1, your bottom players were weighted more than their bottom players or you had more people weighing more in war than they did, if that makes sense? It's hard to explain. I am sure you had more players that were stronger than their mirrors (same number) or were weighed more than the enemy players that weighted more than their mirror.

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Originally Posted by BFMatteus

when two clans are matched, they have similar war weight. When a clan is searching for war, it takes the total weight of everyone in war and searches for a clan with around the same total war weight. The matchmaking system does not match wars based on individual players so that every player gets an equal match, as the searches would take hours and maybe even days. Though the enemy number 1 has a better base than your number 1, your bottom players were weighted more than their bottom players or you had more people weighing more in war than they did, if that makes sense? It's hard to explain. I am sure you had more players that were stronger than their mirrors (same number) or were weighed more than the enemy players that weighted more than their mirror.

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My present war(my clan on left)
1x TH10/ 1x TH10 (Thiers slightly higher hero's)
1X TH9/ 2x TH9 (Mine new only Tesla being built after match / THIER 1st 2x lvl1 xbows/ 2nd no xbows)
5x TH8/ 4x TH8 (Can't find much difference bar a few walls on bottom 2 of each sides TH)
3x TH7/ 2x TH7 (Total mirror bar THIER BK's slightly higher( not much maybe 1 lvl)
0x TH6/ 1x TH6 (Speaks for itself)

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Originally Posted by BFMatteus

when two clans are matched, they have similar war weight.

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What exactly do you mean by this similar war weight??

You probably wouldn't be here if your clan was the one in advantage. As always, if a clan is mismacthed in the weaker side, it means another clan is having an easy peasy war. Matches can't be always perfect. Troop/Hero levels are also to take into consideration.

Wanna know my clan's last match? (20v20)
Us: ___2 TH9, 8 TH8, 4 TH7, [low THs who dont count much]
Them: 2 TH9, 4 TH8, 5 TH7, [ " " ]

Hands down we won it before it started.

Bottom line is matching is not always perfect. It's easy to complain when you are in the weak side but it's easier to say nothing when you are clearly on the stronger side.


Nice post layout though. Usual threads are more like "SRSLY :heart::heart::heart::heart: SUPERCELL YOUR MATCHING SYSTEM IS ♥♥"

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Originally Posted by Aadi55

What exactly do you mean by this similar war weight??

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When wars are started they take defense levels, building levels, troop levels, etc. Each building/troop carries its own weight and when added all up from every player in war, that is the total weight.

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Originally Posted by hashtagbene

You probably wouldn't be here if your clan was the one in advantage. As always, if a clan is mismacthed in the weaker side, it means another clan is having an easy peasy war. Matches can't be always perfect. Troop/Hero levels are also to take into consideration.

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As I said, We are a level 6 clan and we played 70 wars till now. In these span of time we faced MisMatchUp many times, this is not the first time. We won very easily against 4 Th9s where there was only One TH9 in our team some days ago. We faced 12-14 Th8s with our 7-8 TH8s in war also. So you can't just claim Your first line to be correct. And after all its just a game, not a real life event, so maximum guys don't have much time to argue on this matter, so none complained about this MisMatchUp issue. I wouldn't had post this thread if this one was like the other wars. I already said it is possible to win a war against 4 TH9s with 2 Th9s in our side too, but not a that much upgraded TH10. Level of defences and level of Heroes doesn't matter to us, what matters is if there is a TH10 in enemy side and how much upgraded base he has. There would have 3 or 4 or you can say 5 TH9s as our enemy but a TH10 like this is not expected at all.

And as BFMatteus said, yes I agree that our lower bases are strong enough than them. I already said many of us are good enough attackers to knock down more upgraded bases than his, so it wouldn't matter if there were a MisMatchUp for our lowers, as Example:- for 10 TH7s+3TH6+2TH5, enemy had 15TH7s. That can be cleared also. But what is the point to have a TH10 against two low TH9s?? Now we can say, we lost the war before it starts, only if #1 doesn't use his attacks, or if he uses his attacks in a silly way.

Last of all, I have a keen interest about the "similar war weight" terms and it would be helpful if BFMatteus explains this.

From Helpshift:

Clans will be matched up based on the overall strength of its members. Strength is based on each member’s attacking power (troops, army camp capacity, spells and heroes) and defensive strength (defense buildings, walls, traps and heroes). Unlike the Multiplayer mode, trophies do not factor in when clans are matched.

Different layouts and base designs do not affect strength. The only way a member’s strength can be changed is if they upgrade their troops, defenses, spells, etc.

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Originally Posted by BFMatteus

When wars are started they take defense levels, building levels, troop levels, etc. Each building/troop carries its own weight and when added all up from every player in war, that is the total weight.

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yes thats good, I pretend there is some very much complicated searching algorithm for calculating war weights. So I can assume our war weights are much higher compared to regular clans, for that got a TH10 as our enemy and now with this TH10 our and enemy's war weights are same, so we are each other's enemy. If this is what war search engine does, I just have one thing to say, please try to improve your search engine, war weights are okay, but don't matchup a TH10 against lower Th9s or any other TH levels.
TH8s can face TH9s as their enemy, this is also tolerable, TH10 is not expected. We already lost a war 6days ago for the same issue and we think SuperCell should take care about this MisMatchUps(especially when there is a TH10 against low TH9s) issue.. Thats all, Thank You, for you time.. have a good day!!

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Originally Posted by Aadi55

yes thats good, I pretend there is some very much complicated searching algorithm for calculating war weights. So I can assume our war weights are much higher compared to regular clans, for that got a TH10 as our enemy and now with this TH10 our and enemy's war weights are same, so we are each other's enemy. If this is what war search engine does, I just have one thing to say, please try to improve your search engine, war weights are okay, but don't matchup a TH10 against lower Th9s or any other TH levels.
TH8s can face TH9s as their enemy, this is also tolerable, TH10 is not expected. We already lost a war 6days ago for the same issue and we think SuperCell should take care about this MissMatchUps(especially when there is a TH10 against low TH9s) issue.. Thats all, Thank You, for you time.. have a good day!!

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Sounds like a good idea but what if a Town Hall level 10 joined a new low level player clan that did war. I doubt they would find another clan with a Town Hall level 10, and since Town Hall level 10s can only be matched with Town Hall level 10s, the new clan might have to have a bunch of higher level players just to find a match. Also what of they're was a super rushed Town Hall level 10 with a lot of level 5 walls and low defenses, wouldn't be fair to possibly match him/her with an average or advanced Town Hall level 10?

Maybe if they added more weight towards Town Hall levels, that might help this problem.

Sorry you lost your war, good luck in future wars and I hope you don't find any more Town Hall level 10s against you!

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Originally Posted by BFMatteus

Sounds like a good idea but what if a Town Hall level 10 joined a new low level player clan that did war.

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Yes you are damn right, i didnt think about that point.

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Originally Posted by BFMatteus

Also what of they're was a super rushed Town Hall level 10 with a lot of level 5 walls and low defenses, wouldn't be fair to possibly match him/her with an average or advanced Town Hall level 10?

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No that wont be fair to matchup, but you can match up with us.. like the maxed TH9s or TH8s. we can face a rushed TH10, atleast those TH10s who dont got Infernos. But seeing the ScreenShot can you say that the TH10 is rushed by any angle??
There is a lot difference between a rushed TH10 and a avg TH10... :)

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Originally Posted by Aadi55

No that wont be fair to matchup, but you can match up with us.. like the maxed TH9s or TH8s. we can face a rushed TH10, atleast those TH10s who dont got Infernos. But seeing the ScreenShot can you say that the TH10 is rushed by any angle??
There is a lot difference between a rushed TH10 and a avg TH10... :)

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The Town Hall level 10 was not rushed but that is just how the game works. If your war search is taking longer than 20 minutes you can cancel it and start it again to avoid mismatches.

I am positive there will be tweaks on the matchmaking system, feel free to post any suggestions you have on matchmaking in the "Ideas & Feature Requests" sub-forum :).

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Originally Posted by Aadi55

As I said, We are a level 6 clan and we played 70 wars till now. In these span of time we faced MissMatchUp many times, this is not the first time. We won very easily against 4 Th9s where there was only One TH9 in our team some days ago. We faced 12-14 Th8s with our 7-8 TH8s in war also. So you can't just claim Your first line to be correct. And after all its just a game, not a real life event, so maximum guys don't have much time to argue on this matter, so none complained about this MissMatchUp issue. I wouldn't had post this thread if this one was like the other wars. I already said it is possible to win a war against 4 TH9s with 2 Th9s in our side too, but not a that much upgraded TH10. Level of defences and level of Heroes doesn't matter to us, what matters is if there is a TH10 in enemy side and how much upgraded base he has. There would have 3 or 4 or you can say 5 TH9s as our enemy but a TH10 like this is not expected at all.

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My clan with no 9s have once ran into an opponent with a max 10 at the top and a mid 9 as second, what should I have said when it happened?
I saved the screenshots from that lol.
This was our first http://i.imgur.com/Ilo9ToT.png
This was opponent first http://i.imgur.com/jlmVzGM.png

I'm in a lv6 clan too. We know mismatches happen, we won some lost some. Sometimes you're in the weaker sometimes in the stonger side. Matchmaking is not perfect.

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Originally Posted by hashtagbene

My clan with no 9s have once ran into an opponent with a max 10 at the top and a mid 9 as second, what should I have said when it happened?
I saved the screenshots from that lol.
This was our first http://i.imgur.com/Ilo9ToT.png
This was opponent first http://i.imgur.com/jlmVzGM.png

I'm in a lv6 clan too. We know mismatches happen, we won some lost some. Sometimes you're in the weaker sometimes in the stonger side. Matchmaking is not perfect.

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so what do you think?? what should SuperCell do?? They should try to improve their search engine. This COC is now a world wide popular game, and being a part of this famous game we can expect such powerful and perfect search engine.

Oh one more thing. I just cant leave the topic without saying this..

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Originally Posted by BFMatteus

From Helpshift:

Clans will be matched up based on the overall strength of its members. Strength is based on each member’s attacking power (troops, army camp capacity, spells and heroes) and defensive strength (defense buildings, walls, traps and heroes).

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suppose there are two clans having 10 people each. first one has 10 maxed TH7s... with all defences, troops, walls, barracks, camps upgraded at its max level on th7. each th7s are maxed.
another clan has 5TH10s with super rushed base. each having almost like th7 base and walls, only having 4ADs in place of 2ADs as compared to a TH7 base, else everything same, and rest 5 players are avg TH6 or TH5 doesnt matter. What I am trying to say is that, suppose this two clans have almost same war weights, and got each other as their enemy. Then is it a good MatchUp??
I think it might happen as long as i make out the "war weight" thing, this is possible.
And if this kind og MatchUps are possible, then it is worthless to play wars..

I'm not trying to criticise the game, i love COC a lot. All i think is war MatchUps need to be improved a bit..

Just started a 10 vs. 10 war:

US	Them
0x TH11	1x TH 11 maxxed everything except walls
2x TH 10 maxxed def (not walls) lvl 30+ heroes	4x TH 10 2 of them Maxxed def with lvl 30+ heroes 2of them mid TH10 with 2x IT lvl 2
4x TH 9 1 maxxed, except heroes 3 mid range	2x TH 9 1 mid range, 1 beginning
2x TH8	1x TH8
1x TH7	1x TH7
1x TH6	1x TH6

What is wrong with this match up system????

Their TH11 can take out our 2 TH10s
Their 4! TH 10s can take out all our TH 9s and everything below... They even got 2x TH9 spare attacks in case someone doesn't 3 Star.

And us on the other side? Even if we 2 Star the TH11 base and 2-3 Star the 3 of the 4 TH 10 bases, we still don't stand a chance... our TH 9 can't beat their TH 10!


Anyone ever came across a match up unfair like this??
How can this happen??? (no, we didn't restart clan war search, got the miss match up after max. 10 minutes)

Forgot to mention, none of their or our bases are rushed...

I play 4 bases and I've led since war started. My bases combined over 3200 stars. I am war hero on 2 bases. The system is a hoax. I've seen it all. I've tried everything. Just be prepared to lose some and get over it. If u really want to control war. Only take maxxx bases at any th lvl,troops also. U can't take a bunch a bases that r new to mid th and expect it always n ur favor. Also
GIVE THE INDIANS THEIR OWN GLOBAL. GET THEM OFF ENGLISH. AND WHY DO I ONLY GET ATTAKED BY SYMBOL PEOPLE. IS ANYONE ELSE ON