improving max level units that are donated (clan perk)

so i really like the clan perk of donated units going up 1 level, and then 2 levels later on, it's really useful especially for low level players

the problem is when everything is maxed the perk becomes useless, max level units don't improve so it kind of feels like a bit of a ripoff

my idea is to have special max+1 and max+2 levels that would only apply to donated units, separate from the normal level progression so that whatever max+1/+2 is doesn't dictate what a new unit level would have to be in a future update

visual representation: no new models needed for max+ units, just an aura/glow around them to show what they are, also the level icon would be different colors for +1 and +2 with the actual number still being whatever the max level is

gameplay effect: instead of being a straight damage/health increase like a whole proper level, it would be a very mild buff or passive ability, slightly improved at max+2, and different for each unit

Barbarian: minor damage reduction against splash damage

Archer: slight attack range increase

Giant: defenses under attack from giants take a minor penalty to attack rate similar to the poison spell's effect on units (would not be cumulative from multiple giants)

Goblin: tiny amount of bonus loot taken from collectors, storages, and castles

Wallbreaker: this is the trickiest one to think about because wallbreakers are not normally donated. the running theme in all these buffs is that they make the units better in their role. i thought about it and the only way to improve the wallbreaker outside of a simple damage/health increase is to increase his probability of success. i've thought about outright invincibility, immunity to traps, immunity to splash damage, immunity to direct damage but not splash damage, invisibility to towers and only being effected by traps. The problem that comes up in my mind is the possibility of a new tactic (which is not the desired outcome of any of these they're only supposed to be mild improvements); a mass wallbreaker rush from a full clan castle. seems really op imo. this one will require some more thought.

Balloon: a fractional amount of splash damage in an area large enough to hit all buildings touching the target, maybe visualized as little cluster bomblets

Wizard: a magic shield that makes the wizard invincible, activates the first time a wizard would normally take damage and only lasts a few seconds, can only be used once per wizard (OR another way to phrase it is each wizard has the invincibility shield active from the beginning, and the first time the shield intercepts damage that triggers a countdown to make the shield go away a few seconds later, either way the effect is the same) does not protect against spring traps

Healer: small amount of temporary overheal (think medic from team fortress 2)

Dragon: buildings catch on fire taking a small amount of damage continuously, not cumulative with multiple dragons, continues for a few seconds if the dragon dies or stops attacking

PEKKA: minor damage reduction against all attacks except teslas

Minion: small chance that a direct attack against a minion will miss, does not apply to area attacks like wizard/sweeper or air mines

Hogrider: traps triggered by these hogriders will have a slight increase to the delay before going off

Valkyrie: small chance that direct attacks against the valkyrie when she is attacking will reflect off of her and damage nearby buildings instead

Golem: slight increase to damage against walls and a small splash effect against walls dealing damage to any building directly behind the wall (applies to golemites as well)

Witch: when the witch dies a number of skeletons appear in her place, separate from her normal maximum (max+1 death skeletons equal to her normal max, max+2 skeletons equal to 1.5x or 2x her max)

Lavahound: as the lavahound takes damage, it drops mildly damaging embers in a small area directly beneath it

post your thoughts, ideas, criticisms, questions, feedback etc

one glaring problem that i've already thought of is that while all units are improved offensively, not all are improved defensively, but hey that's what discussions are for

another thing to keep in mind is that all of these buffs are meant to be very very mild, any percentage increase/decrease would have to be less than 10% possibly less than 5% so dont think this would mean golems are punching through walls with 2 hits or that barbarians would be immune to mortars

This is interesting. Requires lots of work from SC's side though. Obviously you e put some effort and you have some nice ideas as these stats of donated troops might change all the strategies as to which troop will worth carrying in clan castle. I am a bit concerned though if this would make some attacks OP.

things to consider if you're worried about things being overpowered

1: this would mostly be limited to the highest levels of play
2: availability is entirely dependent on what your clanmates have AND their generosity

another concern i've been mulling over in my head is clan war matchmaking, 2 clans that might be evenly matched based on what level towers/walls/units they have, but one clan may have a distinct tactical advantage by having the perk if the other clan doesn't have it as well, none of the other clan perks do this, which is why i stress the importance of the buffs being mild

Could be cool. A slight increase just in the CC is not going to make a poor player all of the sudden 3 star everything...

Yes, having been thinking this for some time. There should be some bonus for donating already maxed troops.


As an aside...

it is nice to be able to donate 6 or 8 troops instead, and to have to wait less time to re-request after the newcomer kid gave level 1 barbs, but the only real perks are the +1 and +2 to donation levels at levels 5 & 10.

Level 5 is good, it takes a bit of effort to get there.

Level 10, after what, two years? OK, fair enough for a massive advantage.


The loot bonuses, and CC loot capacity increases, who cares?

This might be a little too OP don't you think

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Originally Posted by Temur

This might be a little too OP don't you think

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Yes, it could be OP specially on lower level town halls.

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Originally Posted by Temur

This might be a little too OP don't you think

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is there any one thing in particular that sticks out to you?

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Originally Posted by GWhizzard

so i really like the clan perk of donated units going up 1 level, and then 2 levels later on, it's really useful especially for low level players

the problem is when everything is maxed the perk becomes useless, max level units don't improve so it kind of feels like a bit of a ripoff

my idea is to have special max+1 and max+2 levels that would only apply to donated units, separate from the normal level progression so that whatever max+1/+2 is doesn't dictate what a new unit level would have to be in a future update

visual representation: no new models needed for max+ units, just an aura/glow around them to show what they are, also the level icon would be different colors for +1 and +2 with the actual number still being whatever the max level is

gameplay effect: instead of being a straight damage/health increase like a whole proper level, it would be a very mild buff or passive ability, slightly improved at max+2, and different for each unit

Barbarian: minor damage reduction against splash damage

Archer: slight attack range increase

Giant: defenses under attack from giants take a minor penalty to attack rate similar to the poison spell's effect on units (would not be cumulative from multiple giants)

Goblin: tiny amount of bonus loot taken from collectors, storages, and castles

Wallbreaker: this is the trickiest one to think about because wallbreakers are not normally donated. the running theme in all these buffs is that they make the units better in their role. i thought about it and the only way to improve the wallbreaker outside of a simple damage/health increase is to increase his probability of success. i've thought about outright invincibility, immunity to traps, immunity to splash damage, immunity to direct damage but not splash damage, invisibility to towers and only being effected by traps. The problem that comes up in my mind is the possibility of a new tactic (which is not the desired outcome of any of these they're only supposed to be mild improvements); a mass wallbreaker rush from a full clan castle. seems really op imo. this one will require some more thought.

Balloon: a fractional amount of splash damage in an area large enough to hit all buildings touching the target, maybe visualized as little cluster bomblets

Wizard: a magic shield that makes the wizard invincible, activates the first time a wizard would normally take damage and only lasts a few seconds, can only be used once per wizard (OR another way to phrase it is each wizard has the invincibility shield active from the beginning, and the first time the shield intercepts damage that triggers a countdown to make the shield go away a few seconds later, either way the effect is the same) does not protect against spring traps

Healer: small amount of temporary overheal (think medic from team fortress 2)

Dragon: buildings catch on fire taking a small amount of damage continuously, not cumulative with multiple dragons, continues for a few seconds if the dragon dies or stops attacking

PEKKA: minor damage reduction against all attacks except teslas

Minion: small chance that a direct attack against a minion will miss, does not apply to area attacks like wizard/sweeper or air mines

Hogrider: traps triggered by these hogriders will have a slight increase to the delay before going off

Valkyrie: small chance that direct attacks against the valkyrie when she is attacking will reflect off of her and damage nearby buildings instead

Golem: slight increase to damage against walls and a small splash effect against walls dealing damage to any building directly behind the wall (applies to golemites as well)

Witch: when the witch dies a number of skeletons appear in her place, separate from her normal maximum (max+1 death skeletons equal to her normal max, max+2 skeletons equal to 1.5x or 2x her max)

Lavahound: as the lavahound takes damage, it drops mildly damaging embers in a small area directly beneath it

post your thoughts, ideas, criticisms, questions, feedback etc

one glaring problem that i've already thought of is that while all units are improved offensively, not all are improved defensively, but hey that's what discussions are for

another thing to keep in mind is that all of these buffs are meant to be very very mild, any percentage increase/decrease would have to be less than 10% possibly less than 5% so dont think this would mean golems are punching through walls with 2 hits or that barbarians would be immune to mortars

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I agree with the basic idea that you should get something for donating a max level troop if you have the +1 or +2 perk, I like most of these, and would not object to some sort of system like this getting introduced. However, if you are too worried about a clan getting an "advantage" from these types of bonuses, make it something as simple as getting an additional 20% donation refund per level added. Example: If you donate a max unit and are in a level 10 clan you get a 90% donation refund, 50% for the perk, and 40% for the two level bonus. If you are in a level 10 clan and donate a level 4 hog, you get a 70% donation refund, 50% for the perk, 1 level added, then 1 level over max means an additional 20%.

The whole idea is a little too op can't you see especially for wars:unsure: