Bigger punishment for early war quitter

What should happen is something on their profile shows that they're a war deserter, so the leader/co will know not to put them in the war

You shouldn't put someone in a clan war if he still has the red "new" tag under his name that goes away after 4 days

What happens if this really loyal player is in war, says his friend can go on his base or something and his friend leaves the clan mid-war?

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Originally Posted by TheDragonClasher

What happens if this really loyal player is in war, says his friend can go on his base or something and his friend leaves the clan mid-war?

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As much as I disagree with most of the opinions on this thread...even I believe that a loyal player who is knucklehead enough to let his untrustworthy friend on his account is...
1. An extreme rarity and not what we are talking about
2. Not exactly the definition of a quality clan member

Also, most of the suggestions include that a player returning before war ends is exempt from punishment. If he is loyal he would return.

I won't go point for point as the goal still seems to be looking for a defect in the clan rather than the deserter. Clan management philosophy is a vast and largely unrelated topic. You believe it's relevant. I believe that it doesn't stop people from deserting. I'm confident that we have a very well run clan, but also have been around the block and seen this behavior at clans across the spectrum.

Pointing at the clan as the source of the problem comes across like saying "sorry miss, but you really shouldn't have worn that sexy dress to a place like that."

I'm also not saying that the results of war hinge upon the act of a single deserter, but I don't believe that outcome is relevant for punishing bad actors.

As as I mentioned, we have different data driven criteria for every TH level, so I would not look at a TH6 and a TH8 with the same filter. Also, it's patently obvious that there is a social component to clan recruiting and membership.

But in the same way I feel that a 100-question purportedly scientific personality screening test is largely ♥♥, I also think that a far less scientific screening via clan chat is naive if you believe it is anything more than a best effort and ymmv.

But the icing on the cake is that you clearly feel you have better clan management skills based upon your premise. It's circular logic. I bet you lose an equal number of potentially great members by putting them through the gauntlet of nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Reddigulous

I'm not exactly clear what you mean by shame-quit. I believe you mean someone quits because they are embarassed by a bad attack. I will answer with that assumption.

Shame-quitters are not easy to manage. But i think some of that can be managed by expectations and clan atmosphere. Is the person e couraged before their attack to just do the best they can? Are they congratulated for a good try after they kess up? Those things help. Rage quitters are a bit different. Usually, in my experience, if you invite them back after a little while when theyve cooled down they will return. However, our policy is not to take them back. We dont want to set ourselves up for that to happen again in the future.

Heres a few things to consider for recruiting....

1. I talk a good deal to players before taking them in the clan. On the forums, in global, on kik...wherever. If a player cannot be bothered to get to know me a bit then I cant be bothered to allow them in my clan.
2. Clan atmoshpere is important. When someone leaves midwar do you litter chat with complaints? Or do you, as clan leader, tell everyone that the player in question is not welcome back and will miss out on the privelege of being a part of your clan? It may seem trivial. But its a big deal. I think understanding this is key to clan managment.
3. And this is big too....I dont accept anyone who is a higher TH level than me. That puts me in position to cover their attacks should they leave midwar.
4. I am not in a rush to get to 50 players. I never add more than 2 new players between wars. If I add one player and he leaves...no problem. If i add 10 and 5 leave....problem.

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Reddigulous, i do the 4 things you and plus the 5: "only confirmed players go to war". I can assure you our atmosphere is fair and even tough, players leave early. Some people thar are too cheap to contribute to war forget that they said they wanted to go to war. Even if this helps on selection, as even you said, it does not eliminates the chance of early what quitters. So, why not create a tool to help wars going smoother?

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Originally Posted by PvtLeeOwned

I won't go point for point as the goal still seems to be looking for a defect in the clan rather than the deserter. Clan management philosophy is a vast and largely unrelated topic. You believe it's relevant. I believe that it doesn't stop people from deserting. I'm confident that we have a very well run clan, but also have been around the block and seen this behavior at clans across the spectrum.

Pointing at the clan as the source of the problem comes across like saying "sorry miss, but you really shouldn't have worn that sexy dress to a place like that."

I'm also not saying that the results of war hinge upon the act of a single deserter, but I don't believe that outcome is relevant for punishing bad actors.

As as I mentioned, we have different data driven criteria for every TH level, so I would not look at a TH6 and a TH8 with the same filter. Also, it's patently obvious that there is a social component to clan recruiting and membership.

But in the same way I feel that a 100-question purportedly scientific personality screening test is largely ♥♥, I also think that a far less scientific screening via clan chat is naive if you believe it is anything more than a best effort and ymmv.

But the icing on the cake is that you clearly feel you have better clan management skills based upon your premise. It's circular logic. I bet you lose an equal number of potentially great members by putting them through the gauntlet of nonsense.

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A few things....

First, I 100% agree with you. There is no 100% method for predicting defectors and no 100% effective strategy for preventing them. My premise is that there is NO magic bullet out there to stop them. There is no punishment Supercell can impose that will stop them. If they are turds, they are turds.

I'm not pointing at the clan as the source of the problem. I'm saying that by participating in a socially driven game you have to be able to account for social factors that effect the game. In my opinion, there is no excuse for leaving a clan high and dry. I make no excuse for their behavior. But as the game is socially driven you have to be aware that not every player shares your (and my) values.

As to my recruitment methods...I don't use a 100 question personality test. That would be absurd. But getting to know someone in some kind of chat is not ♥♥. But agreed, it is only a best effort.

I disagree with your premise that my logic is circular. Draw me the circle? I merely state bad players exist and you can minimize their impact on your clan by following some guidelines. I don't know if I have better clan management skills than you. I don't know of a way to measure that. What I do know is I am not nearly as impacted by war deserters as you appear to be.

I also disagree with your premise that I miss out on an equal number of potentially great players. If they can't be bothered with my recruiting methods then they are not the kind of player I am after. Are they great attackers? Maybe. But I value communication and friendliness above all others. If they can't communicate then they don't meet my minimum requirements.

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Originally Posted by felipebsr

Reddigulous, i do the 4 things you and plus the 5: "only confirmed players go to war". I can assure you our atmosphere is fair and even tough, players leave early. Some people thar are too cheap to contribute to war forget that they said they wanted to go to war. Even if this helps on selection, as even you said, it does not eliminates the chance of early what quitters. So, why not create a tool to help wars going smoother?

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What is the tool you propose? To give a stiffer punishment to players who leave mid war?

What if you kick someone out before the war begins? Would that count as them leaving? Either way, a player who leaves during a clan war is already not eligible for another war until the current one ends, which makes it a bit harder to get into other clans. No larger penalty should be incurred.

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Originally Posted by LemoneyFresh937

What if you kick someone out before the war begins? Would that count as them leaving? Either way, a player who leaves during a clan war is already not eligible for another war until the current one ends, which makes it a bit harder to get into other clans. No larger penalty should be incurred.

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Being kicked and deserting are two different things. The point of this thread is that the eligibility restriction already in place is insufficient penalty for a deserter.