Enough with the "potential of abuse" argument

Let us consider several ideas that have been proposed several times in this forum:

-The ability to challenge a friend to a duel (one on one mini war)
-The ability to challenge another clan to war (arranged matchup)
-The ability to attack one's own base

Every time such an idea comes up, it gets shot down by some forum members who point out that "there is potential for abuse", because then the said friend, or clan, or myself, respectively, could create a base I am interested in attacking and then practice attacking it.

Yes, I agree, this is a possibility. It is also a possibility that will be hit by a thunder when I walk out of my office, or be eaten by a shark when I swim in the sea. But is any of this really plausible?

Socrates urged us to know ourselves, so I asked myself the question: would I abuse these features if they were available? So say I am in a tough war, and I want to 3 star the enemy I have chosen. Surely I can go ahead and copy the enemy base, and then attack my base as many times as I please. Right? Wrong!!!

Let us consider what is involved here:

i) I do not know the contents of the enemy cc
ii) I do not know the locations of the traps

Someone may object that I can send a clanmate to attack the base with the explicit purpose of scouting it, namely reveal the contents of the cc and the locations of (some of) the traps. Sure, this is possible but:

iii) Just how many times am I going to redesign my base?

Am I going to change my base design every time we are at war, just so that I can 3 star the enemy? Hell no! Are we serious? My clan is constantly at war! Do you have any idea how long it takes to build a base from scratch? Of course you do, you have built your bases too, just like I have. Do you change your base often? Would you change it for every war? I bet not! The process of building a base takes me more than an hour. When I went to TH9 I built a farming base and a war base... and that was it! And I have been in TH9 for about 6 months now. Sure, I will build a new base... when I get to TH10. But change my base like once a week? Even once a month? Give me a break!

On the other hand, consider how much more fun the game would be if you were able to arrange a war with another clan, or if you were able to challenge a clanmate to a duel (just for fun, say no loot is involved to avoid any unpleasant situations)?

The bottom line is: do not be discouraged if a fun idea has "potential for abuse" and please do not be too quick to dismiss great ideas just because there is a minuscule and very unlikely "potential for abuse."

I have seen so many interesting ideas go down cuz of those three words. The gameplay could be vastly improved and have amazing variations, but then we have these people yelling "Potential of Abuse" in the threads. Yet I see no "potential of banning" people who already use ♥♥♥♥/Bots/other modding software and practise sandbox attacks on any base. Irony. :straightface:

The reason and importance for taking in to consideration "PFA" is extensive, as already identified there have been a number of abuses that have had to be combatted such as sandboxing - which has harmed the usability in terms of the game being fun for all.

By adding in more features that have good reason or strong likelyhood of PFA you are increasing the chances and although you seem to think it is the same chances of being hit by lightning - I disagree the game is orientated on getting one over on your opponent and there are a lot of serious gamers out there this feature will almost certainly add to these serious gamers repertoire of tools to this end. The ability to tests bases is exactly the same as sandboxing in my opinion. Your base is tested every time you don't have a shield and that was the way the game is designed and it is those attacks you can learn strategies used and ways of combatting it.

Alternatives would be inviting other clans or players to a sort of mini league, or the current league table you are in could have a competition included of somekind, that would be a more reasonable expectation.

All your 3 starting ideas have PFA , no doubt !! People will use it for abusing majorly. To make them non-abusable , they shall grant no reward , no elixir , no gold , no dark elixir , no trophies , no increase in achievement stats , no XP but only cost to battle !! Then yup !

All need not be added in the same update !

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Originally Posted by kdrakakis

Let us consider several ideas that have been proposed several times in this forum:

-The ability to challenge a friend to a duel (one on one mini war)
-The ability to challenge another clan to war (arranged matchup)
-The ability to attack one's own base

Every time such an idea comes up, it gets shot down by some forum members who point out that "there is potential for abuse", because then the said friend, or clan, or myself, respectively, could create a base I am interested in attacking and then practice attacking it.

Yes, I agree, this is a possibility. It is also a possibility that will be hit by a thunder when I walk out of my office, or be eaten by a shark when I swim in the sea. But is any of this really plausible?

Socrates urged us to know ourselves, so I asked myself the question: would I abuse these features if they were available? So say I am in a tough war, and I want to 3 star the enemy I have chosen. Surely I can go ahead and copy the enemy base, and then attack my base as many times as I please. Right? Wrong!!!

Let us consider what is involved here:

i) I do not know the contents of the enemy cc
ii) I do not know the locations of the traps


The bottom line is: do not be discouraged if a fun idea has "potential for abuse" and please do not be too quick to dismiss great ideas just because there is a minuscule and very unlikely "potential for abuse."

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At th9 you should have already figured out how to guess with a pretty high degree of accuracy where the traps are and what is in the cc... It's a dragon BTW...

And people make elaborate addons just to game the system, I don't think just a quick redesign would stop people from practicing war attacks... Heck, I would use this feature that way if it was implemenrd, maybe not every time, but when it really mattered. And sure if everyone could do it, it might make it fair, but don't say it is a miniscule chance people would abuse these features.

I like a lot of the abusable features too, and it sucks that we won't get them because people would abuse them, but sadly, this is the case. People would take advantage so we won't see them. You might as well get used to seeing the forum post saying " no, because abuse" because its just the way it is.

In the specific case of building a base and attacking it to learn, the PFE is actually mitigated by the fact that the other team can do it to. So instead of abuse it would become a planning strategy/necessity. Over time, we'd see bases become much stronger. The variety of bases would decrease as clan members shift their bases to known strong defensible bases probably. Then again maybe not because if you used a common base then there would probably be a common attack for it.

You will not be hit by thunder. You will never ever be hit by thunder. Thunder is just the noise that lightning makes. There is a possibility that you will get hit by lightning. But you will never get hit by thunder.

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Originally Posted by kdrakakis

Let us consider several ideas that have been proposed several times in this forum:

-The ability to challenge a friend to a duel (one on one mini war)
-The ability to challenge another clan to war (arranged matchup)
-The ability to attack one's own base

Every time such an idea comes up, it gets shot down by some forum members who point out that "there is potential for abuse", because then the said friend, or clan, or myself, respectively, could create a base I am interested in attacking and then practice attacking it.

Yes, I agree, this is a possibility. It is also a possibility that will be hit by a thunder when I walk out of my office, or be eaten by a shark when I swim in the sea. But is any of this really plausible?

Socrates urged us to know ourselves, so I asked myself the question: would I abuse these features if they were available? So say I am in a tough war, and I want to 3 star the enemy I have chosen. Surely I can go ahead and copy the enemy base, and then attack my base as many times as I please. Right? Wrong!!!

Let us consider what is involved here:

i) I do not know the contents of the enemy cc
ii) I do not know the locations of the traps

Someone may object that I can send a clanmate to attack the base with the explicit purpose of scouting it, namely reveal the contents of the cc and the locations of (some of) the traps. Sure, this is possible but:

iii) Just how many times am I going to redesign my base?

Am I going to change my base design every time we are at war, just so that I can 3 star the enemy? Hell no! Are we serious? My clan is constantly at war! Do you have any idea how long it takes to build a base from scratch? Of course you do, you have built your bases too, just like I have. Do you change your base often? Would you change it for every war? I bet not! The process of building a base takes me more than an hour. When I went to TH9 I built a farming base and a war base... and that was it! And I have been in TH9 for about 6 months now. Sure, I will build a new base... when I get to TH10. But change my base like once a week? Even once a month? Give me a break!

On the other hand, consider how much more fun the game would be if you were able to arrange a war with another clan, or if you were able to challenge a clanmate to a duel (just for fun, say no loot is involved to avoid any unpleasant situations)?

The bottom line is: do not be discouraged if a fun idea has "potential for abuse" and please do not be too quick to dismiss great ideas just because there is a minuscule and very unlikely "potential for abuse."

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It's totally possible to change your base once a week. You've heard of people who play for hours per day, right? These ideas could be abusable and will not be implemented, and BTW war clans could just matchup with a tiny 10 person inactive clan. Attacking friends is also abusable as they could have a popular base. Then you would know where the traps are. In poor bases teslas and traps are far too obvious. Do enemy CCs vary that much? I bet not.

@ andrewchang: Yes, I am myself one of those people playing several hours per day, but I typically barch other people and amass huge amounts of resources to upgrade my defenses and troops. I do not build bases, I must admit.

Just because you wouldn't abuse it doesn't mean everyone else wouldn't. You know all those people who take war to a new level? they sure would be copying their opponents base to practice on. Think about what everyone would do, not just about what you would do.