Reversed pentalaloon with "zapquake" -- could it even be the new best th9 option?

Background

Just a little short background. I've been doing mostly the penta and some cold-blood attacks forever it seems (the penta has just been the best 3-star option with a hero upgrading). When they changed the AI on the pups making them travel a shorter distance to go after an AQ a while back I think the penta on stronger TH9s just became too risky, and especially if you only had one hero. The penta never worked on all max TH9s with stronger heros, but now the problem was that even on good bases the risk was that when you go in by the AQ it seemed like more often than not you would take our the AD without killing the AQ which would result in the lavas flying away from the AQ while she was still alive and she could pick of your loons and pups from behind.

Hence I started to experiment with going in from the opposite direction of the AQ, so that the AD by the AQ was the last AD standing. Hence I would park all surviving lavas by the AQ. Any experienced laloon attacker will understand that you cannot take out any maxed TH9 with this strategy. By saving the AQ for last, you let a "mobile AD" in the AQ fire away with like 200 damage per sec on your lavas for a lot longer time than she would if you could take her out right away, and against many maxed TH9s it will just take too long time for you to get the ADs before the lavas burst. But you could take many mid-th9s with it even with a hero upgrading.

The reversed pentalaloon with "zapquake"

It took me a while to get lightning spell lvl 6 since I had just started drags to 4 when it was released, but after I got it I've been doing this attack -- that I call the reversed pentalaloon with zapquake -- non-stop. The results have been very very promising and I am starting to wonder if it might not even be the best 3-star option on TH9s. But of course it needs to be battled tested a lot more before any firm recommendation can be made either way.

This is the basics. Lets say you attack a base that fundamentally from an air point of view constructed like this: 4 AD lvl 7's in a square in the base (with fairly good lines of Ds from the outside and in so that it won't take forever for the loons to get to the ADs) in the positions NW/NE/SW/SE, and lets say that the AQ is fairly at center but in this case a little closer to the SE AD just for example (some never get the north/south stuff so like the scheme below ;)).

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---NW AD-------NE AD---
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---------------TH---------------
------------------AQ-----------
---SW AD--------SE AD---
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Use the following spell set-up: 2 lightning spells (lvl6); 1 EQ; 2 haste; 1 rage.

Use the following army set-up: 5 lavas (1 max in CC) and 20 loons.

-Pull CC with 2-3 loons and kill the drag (?) with your AQ.

-Put two lightning spells and the EQ on the SW AD.

-Go in from the opposite side of all instruction videos (hence why its called the "reversed penta [...]"), on the far end from the AQ, i.e. from the north with 2 lavas each on the NW AD and NE AD followed by like 12-15 loons. Use the 2 haste spells on them to take out the NW and NE AD as soon as possible.

-Then fairly fast send in the max lava from the CC from the side on the SE AD by the AQ followed by the remaining 3-6 loons (time-it so that the SE AD does -- not -- go down before the NE AD and the NE AD). This way all surviving lavas will travel to the last AD standing by the AQ. Then put the rage on top of that last SE AD so that it also covers the AQ, just when the first lava there starts to pop. Use king whenever (or upgrade him ;)).

I am not sure if other uses it or I invented it myself, but so far it seems almost too over-powering. 5 lavas against 3 AD lvl 7s survive most of the time. You always get the AQ without any problem. I've been upgrading both heros at the same time the last week, but before that I got 4 straight 3 stars on max or almost max TH9s and without both heros its still been a walk in the park getting 3 stars on TH9s when I went lower.

I don't have videos, have never done them and I am short on time as it is, but I think experienced laloons get this attack without moving picture.

Would love to hear your guys thoughts. I am starting to wonder if this attack even could be the new best thing lol.

In COC:
Nick: Al Svanberg
Clan: assass1n Nat1on

Hey I saw you on one of the other threads taking about this! I loved the idea so much that I decided to try it out. Turns out you need lvl5 lightning lol which I'm going to get asap. But even failing to destroy the first ad I was able to get the job done by making the final ad the one nearest the queen. I'm looking forward to using this attack and sharing it with my clanmates because I know it will work!

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Originally Posted by Tyler1821

Hey I saw you on one of the other threads taking about this! I loved the idea so much that I decided to try it out. Turns out you need lvl5 lightning lol which I'm going to get asap. But even failing to destroy the first ad I was able to get the job done by making the final ad the one nearest the queen. I'm looking forward to using this attack and sharing it with my clanmates because I know it will work!

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Thanks Tyler, go get lightning lvl 5 and come back and tell us how it went!

I've only used this strategy with lightning lvl 6 since I normally almost always face AD lvl 7s.

If you use two lightning lvl 6 on a AD lvl 6 or lower, you practically do not need an earth quake spell because a lava hound attacking that AD will kill take it out within seconds. Can bring a poison or additional haste if you want.

I like it very interesting

Seems very interesting. How do you deal with the cc drag when your AQ is upgrading?

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Originally Posted by achilles22

Seems very interesting. How do you deal with the cc drag when your AQ is upgrading?

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When I still have my king, I have pulled the CC with loons. Lured it to a corner with an archer. Then put in the king followed by 2 wiz and 1 archer when the drag locks on the king. My king is lvl 20 so it takes a good while for a drag to take it out, but the king is basically wasted on killing the CC.

At first, I used the king plus 2 wiz and 7 archers. I've cut down since to only use to 2 wiz and 2 arch. It feels kind of shaky but I've not failed yet. Thinking about it, I however don't think I ever faced anything else than a CC with a drag in it and 2 loons when killing it with this approach. When you pull the CC with loons, any loons in it naturally don't come out so I think I only faced the drag. I am not sure if a different CC content would have an impact on the outcome.

When I don't have either hero (like right now) I go with 4 lavas, 21 loons; 1-2 archers and 3-4 barbarians; 1 drag and naturally I have to attack lower (I look at max 2 AD 7s (where I zap one) and a good airbase otherwise). OTOH, I've never tried a tougher base either but it seems like 4 lavas and 21 loons are a bit on the weak side against three ADs 7s with only one range and two haste and no heros.

I'll have to try this. I've tried similar tactics, but not exactly the same.

Last time I tried a similar attack without a poison spell, the CC was full of max wiz, which instafried my queen. Of course I was relying on the queen to take out the CC. As you can imagine, the attack just went downhill from there!

I'll try this in our current war. Base is somewhat spread so I'm wondering if quad might be better to make sure they all pop with all lvl 6 ad and lvl5 aq. I usually have a hero down so a go to like this would be nice.

As a huge fan of penta attacks, I've been considering how to implement the new EQ-light into penta attacks since it came out. The spells make perfect sense and I tend to agree. 5 hounds against 3 ADs, with 2 haste and 1 rage remaining...advantage attacker.

I'm definitely going to be trying this out soon. It just seems like too damn much fun

Tried one of these today and it worked well. My loon deployment could have been better but result was a 95% 2 star on a max defense TH9 with xbows on air and a lvl 18 AQ. My lightning is only lvl5 with my eq lvl 3 but I had no problems with lvl 7 ad. Excited to try some more. Thanks for strategy advice.

This sounds like a much more consistent attack than the older 4 rage pentaloon.

I'm sure it works, and I may give it a go, but in all reality, i haven't seen a base lately that the M4X GoHo or GoLaloon attack were better candidates.

I want to try this army but I don't have a haste yet. Will see if 2 rage will do instead. Is lv1 quake and lv5 zap work against lv7 AD? Sorry not a fan of air attacks so my knowledge is limited.

Cheers :)

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Originally Posted by GeneralHavoc

This sounds like a much more consistent attack than the older 4 rage pentaloon.

I'm sure it works, and I may give it a go, but in all reality, i haven't seen a base lately that the M4X GoHo or GoLaloon attack were better candidates.

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Well the real potential benefit of this is being able to 3 star tough TH9 with heroes down. Gohog and GoLa both need heroes.

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Originally Posted by MackeyS

I want to try this army but I don't have a haste yet. Will see if 2 rage will do instead. Is lv1 quake and lv5 zap work against lv7 AD? Sorry not a fan of air attacks so my knowledge is limited.

Cheers :)

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No Mackey, I tried 2 lvl 5 light and a lvl 1 eq on my th8 acct vs. the gobs and it couldn't take a lvl 7 ad down.

Saw this on another thread thanks for isolating it. In my last war I 3* a low to mid th9 with no heros (both upgrading) and my lighting was only lvl 4. The lava took out the ad very easily. Immediately another air attacker started practicing it and loves it. This is such a strong attack.
I also agree on having the lavas end by the aq.
Without heros I use 2 giants, 3 wiz, and 3 archers to kill the cc but like the idea of the dragon. May try that too.

I was going to try this in my current war, but then the b@$t@ad rearranged his base so that the AQ is not very close to any AD. She's a little off center between two ADs. Has anyone tried this in this configuration. The upside of this base is that it's pretty much max defense, except only 1 AD is level 7 (the one closest to the AQ).

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Originally Posted by achilles22

No Mackey, I tried 2 lvl 5 light and a lvl 1 eq on my th8 acct vs. the gobs and it couldn't take a lvl 7 ad down.

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Yeah, thanks for the response. I also tried it in multiplayer and it didnt take out. Guess, I have to settle to lvl6 AD for the meantime until my lightning spell is upgraded.

Cheers :)

Hi guys, thanks for your nice comments. I just got my heros back after a long upgrade and thought I share some pictures I dumped from attacks made with a full army, if it might help someone to grasp the attack better. (I am probably just incompetent, but I cannot enclose the pictures (I reach some kind of limit), so i just post links to them)

1. Scouting

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b167567.png

I watch for: Decent lines to the ADs. Few defensive buildings that does not have an AD within its range (if so they only fire at the loons, some bases for example have all wiz towers away from the ADs and they are tricky). Kind of weak heros.

Most important, I consider if the attack I am considering (reversed pentaloon with zapquake) really is the best option for this base? Isn't this a cold-blood (shattered golaloon) base? Maybe, but I know I can get it with the reversed penta and that attack is easier to execute. Fewer moments that can fail, no WBers, no risk involved in killing CC etc. But IMO this is the most important aspect of COC, pick the right attack for the right base.

2. Zapquake the AD away from the AQ

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b167565.png

As explained in my first post, I zapquake the AD at the far end of the AQ.

3. Pull and kill the drag in CC

I pull the CC with two loons, taking out the low cannon. And then use an archer to pull it to the far right where I kill it with my AQ.

4. Release of 4 lavas

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b167566.png

Differing from the standard pentalaloon I go in at the far end of the AQ to take out these AD's first, so that the surviving lavas will gather around the AD close to the AQ at the end.

5. Surgical deployment of loons

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b167568.png

In this attack I deployed the loons surgically, sometimes I use a line. Its important to get the loons in fast, or scratch that its essential lol. The lavas takes so much fire early on that any second you can save by getting the loons in fast helps and using a line is of course the faster option. But surgical is better if you are afraid that you might fail to save 3-4 loons for the back door lava (see below).

I use two haste on these loons.

6. Backdoor lava followed by a few loons, the rage spell over AQ

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b167569.png

http://www.ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b167570.png

I pretty fast (maybe a bit late on this attack) send in the 5th lava from the CC followed by a few loons on the 3rd and last AD. I use the rage over the AQ when the lavas starts to burst.

7. Clean-up & result

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b167571.png

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b167572.png

This attack went almost too well and two lavas didn't burst, so the clean-up didn't go super fast but I got the base with 10 or so sec left.

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I just want to say that I have lavalooned for a long time (probably several times a week for like a half-year now) and I know that what seems easy for me will take some practicing for players not experienced with lavas and loons. But against a base like that that is a fairly good fit, that even if it have maxed TH9 defense have fairly weak heros etc, this is a very safe three star if you execute decently (especially, get the loons in fast!). Reminds me of when I was attacking with drags when I was TH7. Very few things that can go wrong (but I do screw up every once in a while too lol, you can never get around that in CoC) and you have marginals at the end.

Hope this helped! Don't hesitate to ask any questions and I will try to answer them the best I can.

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Originally Posted by MrJackrabbit

Saw this on another thread thanks for isolating it. In my last war I 3* a low to mid th9 with no heros (both upgrading) and my lighting was only lvl 4. The lava took out the ad very easily. Immediately another air attacker started practicing it and loves it. This is such a strong attack.
I also agree on having the lavas end by the aq.
Without heros I use 2 giants, 3 wiz, and 3 archers to kill the cc but like the idea of the dragon. May try that too.

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Thanks, I was without both heros the last week and got 5 of 6 three stars against TH9s which is very good, but -- admittedly -- we drew some match-ups with very good airbases and I went low. I mostly attacked either bases with xbows set to ground, weak air (like one had lvl 5), or very good lines to the CC.

But without heros, this is a very good option too for sure.

This sounds amazing and it shows you know what your talking about; we at GoHype Masters would love to have you. We are a level 8 clan looking for people like you

I just tried this in our current war. I think it was a reasonable base to try it on. The only down sides is each pair (N and S) of air defenses were just barely overlapping, and one air sweeper was covering the north air defenses, so my loons struggled a bit there. The AQ was just to the north of the SE AD, with just a wall separating, so not too far away. It turned out that the CC only had a hound in it, so I just ignored it.

Unfortunately, it ended up with just 1 star. After analysis, the problem was that the AQ was drawn toward the NE AD when it had a hound on it, and moved to just in range of the SE AD when the NE AD fell. A hound popped on the NW AD, which didn't do any good as far as the AQ was concerned, And when other hounds popped on the SE AD, the AQ was only on the edge of the ring, so she never went down. She also seemed more interested in shooting loons and pups, so she never targeted onto a hound after her first one popped.

I think I executed it pretty well, but apparently it's not completely failsafe. I don't know what I could have done differently to make it work out better. I think the problem was in the placement of the AQ, which was in between two air defenses. Be aware of that as a possible failure mode.

Fplant- Once I faced a hound and it draw attention from a lot of pups even if it didn't do any damage. Since then I've pulled and killed it with the AQ.

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Originally Posted by Messier11

Fplant- Once I faced a hound and it draw attention from a lot of pups even if it didn't do any damage. Since then I've pulled and killed it with the AQ.

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The hound was no where near the action until I dropped my AQ, but by then it was too late, so it wasn't the hound. The problem was that the enemy AQ was just in the wrong spot, so most of the pups were not near her. Just something to watch out for.

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Originally Posted by fplant

I think I executed it pretty well, but apparently it's not completely failsafe. I don't know what I could have done differently to make it work out better. I think the problem was in the placement of the AQ, which was in between two air defenses. Be aware of that as a possible failure mode.

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There is no such thing as a failsafe TH9 three star attack.

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Originally Posted by tyler4

There is no such thing as a failsafe TH9 three star attack.

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True, but I think the expectation was that the shear number of lavahouds on the queen would make it safer than some other attacks. I suspect it is better than pure penatalavaloon, but I think golaloon is still a safer strategy, at least if you can take out the AQ before the loons are dropped.

... or maybe this was just an oddball case. It would be good to hear from more that tried it.

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Originally Posted by fplant

True, but I think the expectation was that the shear number of lavahouds on the queen would make it safer than some other attacks. I suspect it is better than pure penatalavaloon, but I think golaloon is still a safer strategy, at least if you can take out the AQ before the loons are dropped.

... or maybe this was just an oddball case. It would be good to hear from more that tried it.

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Really hard to judge an attack strategy on your first attempt with it.. I think you have to run it at least 5-7 times before you get a feel for how to do it.

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Originally Posted by fplant

True, but I think the expectation was that the shear number of lavahouds on the queen would make it safer than some other attacks. I suspect it is better than pure penatalavaloon, but I think golaloon is still a safer strategy, at least if you can take out the AQ before the loons are dropped.

... or maybe this was just an oddball case. It would be good to hear from more that tried it.

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I think it is kind of like this. It is hard to top an "executed" golaloon. You take out the AQ and an AD, you often still have troops in the center of the base drawing fire, and you got a good number of lavas and loons for the rest of the base. I golaloon too at times.

But, there are a lot more aspects of the attack that can go wrong. You need a good eye to scout the base and adjust the standard army. 1 or 2 golems? 4 rage? Or jump? 7 wiz? More? A witch? A zapquake? You know and so forth. You could make a mistake there and just either bring a too weak ground or air army. If you nail the army composition, you need to execute. That is another risk. Who haven't seen someone with 6 WBs fail to even get through one wall? Just more variables overall.

I actually think that golaloon is maybe the more powerful attack, with that said if you can take a base with a penta, that should be your first option because it's an easier attack with much fewer variables that can go wrong.

In general I think in CoC, the more you play, it becomes about finding the right attacks for the right base. Which kind of make sense, base designs differs a lot and why should one attack fit completely different designs right?

With that said, there are more layers too it. To execute an attack you need to have troops and spells upgraded for it and that takes time. You also need to practise all attacks, a lot actually. I wasn't three starred in like 5 months by a th9, then we face a Chinese clan that needs a three star late and they have maybe 5-6 options, of which one is a fresh th9, with only their No 1 having an attack left. But he picks me that has substantially stronger heros than some other targets just to troll it and three star it with ease with -- by my book at least lol -- an amazing gohog attack. How many hours of practicing was behind that attack?

So there is still value in specializing in an attack and build a wider register as time pass. In that sense I do think the reversed penta laloon is a really interesting option. At least if your clan does not already have several air attackers and you can be a bit choosy.

Also, IMO without much doubt (or what do you guys think?), the reverse pentalaloon is the best option when you do not have any heros or at least with the king upgrading and if your clan can afford you to be a little choosy again and go a little lower.

I just tried this in our current war (we are getting smacked around so I figured I'd try it out when it doesn't matter). I have the BK down so I just had the AQ. Their AQ was easily accessible and pretty low so taking her out without the pups would have been easy but I wanted to try this as advertised. Completely wrecked it with level 6 ADs and actually had a lava floating around at the end. I actually wish their AQ would have been higher so she could have taken him out and made clean up faster. They actually had a decent air sweeper set up so I was flying right into them but didn't matter. Will keep practicing as I had some hiccups and would like to get this down and comfortable. Thanks for the tweak on strategy.

Tried this in a war today against opposition with lvl 6 AD due to not having lvl 6 light yet(next lab upgrade I think) ..... It worked a treat all lavas popped clean up went well even if my execution was slightly rusty. Will try again next war for hopefully another 3*

Did this earlier with against a fully maxed TH9 base, 1 Star 75%, with only level 1 Hounds and a level 2 CC hound. I was pretty happy with it, just my loons lost steam towards the end (XBow). Ironicly my AQ lived after the Dragon CC, which was a bonus. I'm sure I could have done better with a better Haste placement, and Level 2 hounds/level 3 CC hound.

just wondering... do you drop the quake first, then the lightning, or the reverse.
does it make a difference ?

Also, the way i understanding, a level 5 lightning and level 1 eq get a level 6 ad, and a level 6 lightning and level 1 eq gets a level 7 ad

is this correct ?

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Originally Posted by pyrostormz

just wondering... do you drop the quake first, then the lightning, or the reverse.
does it make a difference ?

Also, the way i understanding, a level 5 lightning and level 1 eq get a level 6 ad, and a level 6 lightning and level 1 eq gets a level 7 ad

is this correct ?

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You have to drop the EQ first because it does a percentage of damage. The total amount will be lower if you drop it last.

You are correct about the levels of lightning spell and AD.

thanks
gonna give this a try, it sounds like an effective way to get higher th9's

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Originally Posted by fplant

You have to drop the EQ first because it does a percentage of damage. The total amount will be lower if you drop it last.

You are correct about the levels of lightning spell and AD.

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Since the last update the % damage is based on the total hitpoints (not the hitpoints remaining), so the order shouldn't matter anymore.

Looks like an interesting attack. I want to try it now :)

Are there any videos of this attack, I love the idea of it but would also like to see it in action!

Having done the attack for a while now I think one key is to make sure to spread the loons out and save a good number of loons for the "back door". I got three stars in 8 of my last 10 attacks, but both times I failed it was because I ended up with lavas followed by a number of loons all moving in one group were wiz towers killed the loons before the base was cleaned. This morning, against a weak air base, I had a 2 lavas and app. 10 loons left against only 2 wiz towers, 2-3 cannons/mortars and maybe one arch tower but I only got 2 stars because the loons were killed by the wiz towers. The attack I failed before that was the same thing, the loons ended up going into the same group as the lavas.

I think you need to put a little more effort into spreading the loons with this attack than with a standard pentalaloon because with the pentalaloon you get a broader cover from the lavas.

To illustrate, if you with a standard pentalaloon move in like this from north for example (La=lavas, Lo=loons, XXXX=destroyed AD ;)), you often get the following protection from the lavas:

Phase 1.

-5Lo--5Lo----5Lo--5Lo------
----2La-------------3La---------
-----NW AD------NE AD----
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---------------TH-----------------
------------------AQ-------------
-----SW AD-------SE AD-----
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Phase 2.

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------XXXX--------XXXX------
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-2Lo--2Lo--TH--2Lo--2Lo---
----1La------------1La-----------
-----SW AD--------SE AD-----
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With the reversed pentalaloon with zapquake you often will be in this position when you reach phase 2:

Phase 1.

-4Lo--4Lo-----4Lo--4Lo--
----2La------------2La-------
-----NW AD-------NE AD--
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---------------TH---------------
------------------AQ-----------
-----XXXX--------SE AD----
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Phase 2.

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------XXXX--------XXXX----
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------------TH--2Lo--2Lo----
--------------------1-2La-------
-----XXXX-------SE AD-1La-4lo
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The loons going in on the west side will be killed when the surviving lava or lavas from the NW AD goes down towards the SE AD, but it should be no problem because you will still have a lot of protection from lavas left even when all ADs have gone down and you should get the AQ without much problem since you always will park at least two lavas close to her.

But you can get in trouble when the last AD goes down if the only loons left are the ones around the SE AD and those loons group up and follow the last lava or lavas around the base from SE to SW up towards NW to kill the last defensive buildings if you run into some wiz towers firing away at that group for a while...

Fyi, I am 3 for 3 with this attack! I only have lvl5 lightning so I've had to find lvl6 ads but the bases I'm hitting are not weak. My clanmates are loving my replays as well. Awesome attack man!

Edit: 5 for 5!
Edit: 8 for 8 lol I'm really loving this attack

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Originally Posted by Iblondhaha

Are there any videos of this attack, I love the idea of it but would also like to see it in action!

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Hi, sorry now videos yet. I am kind of busy working and 3 kids and what not, but if I get some time off in the near future I might spend a few hours finding out how to rip a replay and post it here.

I did another attack this morning and can walk you through it with pictures in the mean time.

1. Scouting

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b168201.png

I watch for: Decent lines to the ADs. Few defensive buildings that does not have an AD within its range (if so they only fire at the loons, some bases for example have all wiz towers away from the ADs and they are tricky). Kind of weak heros.

Most important, I consider if the attack I am considering (reversed pentaloon with zapquake) really is the best option for this base? Isn't this a cold-blood (shattered golaloon) base? Maybe, but I know I can get it with the reversed penta and that attack is easier to execute. Fewer moments that can fail, no WBers, no risk involved in killing CC etc. But IMO this is the most important aspect of COC, pick the right attack for the right base.

Also, be aware of the seemingly "dream air-attack offers" -- that do not have good lines to the ADs. I have failed these attacks many times my self. You find a base with weak ADs, AQ outside the base, x-bows set to ground and what not. The only problem is that ADs are grouped inside the base and the lines from the perimeter to the ADs go from like 3 Ds to a wiz tower to 3 Ds before the AD (or 1-3-1-3-AD meaning that the loons will group up, then go back and forth and take out the line with 3 Ds, before it gets to the AD). Most important is that a base has decent lines from the perimeter to the AD. Meaning that the loons can get to the ADs fairly fast. Just do the math, a lower level AD (not to mention all Ds around it) firing away for 15 seconds do more damage than a high level AD firing away for 5 seconds.

Many many bases have good lines from Ds to ADs. Always pick them before the odd spread out bases that from some point of views seems like great air-targets but has worthless lines to the ADs.

The above base is a dream base in that sense, a base doesn't have to be this perfect in that sense to work. With X-bows set to ground and a weak AQ its a real easy target.

2. Zapquake the AD away from the AQ

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b168202.png

As explained in my first post, I zapquake the AD at the far end of the AQ.

3. Pull and kill the drag in CC

I pull the CC with two loons, taking out a air sweeper etc in this case. And then use an archer to pull it to the far right where I kill it with my AQ.

4. Release of 4 lavas

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b168203.png

Differing from the standard pentalaloon I go in at the far end of the AQ to take out these AD's first, so that the surviving lavas will gather around the AD close to the AQ at the end.

A little tip here I haven't mentioned before is that if you have the king available, its often a good idea releasing him on the opposite side of the base to where the AQ is placed. The lavas will move away from this side to go over to the last AD standing by the AQ leaving the loons on the other side a bit exposed. Releasing the king on this side, he will always draw a little fire and ease the pressure on these loons.

5. Surgical deployment of loons

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b168204.png

In this attack I deployed the loons surgically, sometimes I use a line. Its important to get the loons in fast, or scratch that its essential lol. The lavas takes so much fire early on that any second you can save by getting the loons in fast helps and using a line is of course the faster option. But surgical is better if you are afraid that you might fail to save 3-4 loons for the back door lava (see below).

I use two haste on these loons.

6. Backdoor lava followed by a few loons, the rage spell over AQ

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b168205.png

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b168206.png

I pretty fast send in the 5th lava from the CC followed by a few loons on the 3rd and last AD. I usually use the rage over the AQ when the lavas starts to burst, but in this case it wasn't really needed since the pups got to her first.

The placement of the back-end loons can be important against certain bases. One thing you want to avoid with this base is all loons grouping up by the last standing AD, so that they then move in one unit with the lavas when you clean up the base. When I have failed this attack, the problem all times have been that a group of lava or lavas and 5-10 loons go up against a wiz tower or two and all loons are killed by that splash damage. When you scout the base, you should especially be vary of this risk if the 3rd and last D is deep inside the base and it will take a bit of time to take it out, then the risk for the loons to group up with the lava or lavas before the last AD goes down is grater. On these bases it is wise to save 2 loons and release them after the last AD have gone down and you get a better picture of where they are needed.

7. Clean-up & result

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b168207.png

http://ladda-upp.se/files/2015/b168208.png

One lava survived and with a lot of loons and pups left the clean-up went smooth and easy.

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Fyi, I am 3 for 3 with this attack! I only have lvl5 lightning so I've had to find lvl6 ads but the bases I'm hitting are not weak. My clanmates are loving my replays as well. Awesome attack man!

Edit: 5 for 5!
Edit: 8 for 8 lol I'm really loving this attack

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Thats sick Tyler! WTG! :)

Against the right bases, this attack is a bit like drag-attacking at TH7. It just shouldn't fail. You cannot use it against all TH9s, but its not hard to find targets and many max TH9s are good options.

I had a good streak going myself where I went 8 of 10 without both heros for the first 6 but my last war sucked. Have to start a new streak now. ;)

I also love this attack because it enables you to participate in war without either hero or even without both if your clan can allow you to hit a little lower.

Usualy i do standart pentalaloons attacks with 4 rages and start from queen. Without queen or without both, most of the time i 3 star, sometime i fail. Tried hastes but they was lvl1 and no good for pups who usualy popup in full of def enviropment and can die too fast if not raged, and speed was the same with less time. So went back to rages.


So now i tried this reverse in our current war, on lvl6 ad bases, and this went great. Went to do it, with poison and 3 lvl1 hastes, in place or rage and 2 hastes as i knew there was wizards in both CCs. And this spell composition works nice too.

By the looks of how it went, this strategy is a more good about:
1. Makes set path for lavas to go to. Stardart pentaloons can be unpredictible sometimes on not so symetrical bases, and can fail half of attack. This reverse has set path that lava will follow everytime.
2. 3 AD are lot safer than 4, you can safely send ballons in cleared of AD part of base so attack can be more widespread so it kills more point def faster.

will try it out more, and also i just got lvl2 haste so it should go even better now, started lvl6 lightning too.

Also nice that thanks to hastes you still can use poison and get 3 spells to speed up balloons. Seems like this strategy doesnt need rage too much as base tend to become cleared of def faster and more pups live so no need to rage them in center. And ballons get more speed from haste lvl2 and above than from rage.


Also tryed this strategy out with my current spells not in war with 4 lavas vs lvl7 ADs, and it went good too. Noticed that lava can kill weakened lvl7 AD by basicaly one hit. There was Air mine behind her flew to kill that lava, and she still managed to drop AD before they connected.

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Usualy i do standart pentalaloons attacks with 4 rages and start from queen. Without queen or without both, most of the time i 3 star, sometime i fail. Tried hastes but they was lvl1 and no good for pups who usualy popup in full of def enviropment and can die too fast if not raged, and speed was the same with less time. So went back to rages.


So now i tried this reverse in our current war, on lvl6 ad bases, and this went great. Went to do it, with poison and 3 lvl1 hastes, in place or rage and 2 hastes as i knew there was wizards in both CCs. And this spell composition works nice too.

By the looks of how it went, this strategy is a more good about:
1. Makes set path for lavas to go to. Stardart pentaloons can be unpredictible sometimes on not so symetrical bases, and can fail half of attack. This reverse has set path that lava will follow everytime.
2. 3 AD are lot safer than 4, you can safely send ballons in cleared of AD part of base so attack can be more widespread so it kills more point def faster.

will try it out more, and also i just got lvl2 haste so it should go even better now, started lvl6 lightning too.

Also nice that thanks to hastes you still can use poison and get 3 spells to speed up balloons. Seems like this strategy doesnt need rage too much as base tend to become cleared of def faster and more pups live so no need to rage them in center. And ballons get more speed from haste lvl2 and above than from rage.

Also tryed this strategy out with my current spells not in war with 4 lavas vs lvl7 ADs, and it went good too. Noticed that lava can kill weakened lvl7 AD by basicaly one hit. There was Air mine behind her flew to kill that lava, and she still managed to drop AD before they connected.

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Thx for the input!

On the bolded part, I had plans of an attack with the work name "Full-frontal pentalaloon" or even "Full-frontal hexalaloon" lol were I carried 4 lightning-spells and 1 haste; 5-6 lavas, 16-20 loons.

This is how I executed the attack on a base with basically this set-up:

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---NW AD-------NE AD---
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---SW AD--------SE AD---
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-I used 2 lightning spells on each of the NW AD and the NE AD.

-I sent in 2 lavas each on the NW AD and the NE AD. These ADs had close to zero HPs left and the lavas doing 12x2=24 damage per second took them down in more or less no-time. As the 4 lavas fly across the base to the SW AD and SE AD I sent in the loons on more or less a long line from the south.

-After the last two remaining ADs were killed by the loons I sent in the 5th lava, or I sent it in earlier to either AD if lavas by that AD needed help. I also tried the attack with 6 lavas with different strategies.

In theory I thought this attack would be "sick" lol. And it is a "pretty" good attack on the average laloon friendly base, but it just takes forever for loons to go over an entire TH9 with only 1 haste, and most of the time I failed for some one reason or the other. The lavas just took a bigger beating than I hoped, basically due to the time aspect. Since most of the Ds live a substantial amount of seconds longer than they would with 3-4 haste/rage spell, the damage done just adds up.

I've made the attack like 5-6 times, worked out in 2. Once with 6 lavas against a fully maxed TH9 with heros that were like lvl 28/29, that clan we faced in that war probably thought it was the new best attack for sure lol because it looked completely goat when everything worked, but the overall impression just wasn't great.

Ok, I guess I better upgrade those lightening spells.....

I've been working on ways to improve my lavaloon. I tried shattered but I don't find it working unless the base has a really exposed AQ/AD so I will try this as well. I want to be able to get those bases with the lvl 7 AD.

I also worked on a new variant (for me) of the lavaloon.

Problem: After the CC lure my royals would get torn to pieces by the defenses and die and I kept timing out (99% 1 star, I am looking at you!).

Solution: Lure CC and create a safe zone for the royals in one step.

Execution: Take one lavahound, one rage and 4-6 loons plus (if AD is buried) haste. Use this army to
1) take out 1 AD
2) pull the CC troops and
3) take out some outer defenses.

The hound won't last long and all the pups are toast but you can then lure the CC troops to the queen (who is not being hit by archer towers or cannons) and take them out. Then the king and queen can wander around safely.

The only "trick" is to watch out for the CC loon as that will not be lured by the air troops, so you can either add a hog to the lure pack or (if the base is really spread out) you can ignore it and hope you take out the CC before the royals trigger the loon.

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In COC:
Nick: Al Svanberg
Clan: assass1n Nat1on

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Would it be possible to hop in your clan just the time needed to see this attack?

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Would it be possible to hop in your clan just the time needed to see this attack?

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You can stop by mine if you want, just mention me in request to get accepted

Would love to see how it works.

Thanks for sharing this great attack! Tried it today on a mid th9 and got the 3 stars easily even without my queen (she's busy upgrading) hopefully a few others in my clan will give it a go too! Currently upgrading lightening spell to lv6 so then I will try it on some harder bases with lv7 air def. Thanks again!

Warring without my queen in our feeder, I just tripled an earlyish-mid TH9 by dropping 3 lightning spells and an EQ on an AD next to a sweeper and then going with four hounds, 21 loons, and a rage.. Only issue was that the pups don't really bother killing the queen any more, the only reason I pulled off the three star was because some loons bombed her at the end.

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Warring without my queen in our feeder, I just tripled an earlyish-mid TH9 by dropping 3 lightning spells and an EQ on an AD next to a sweeper and then going with four hounds, 21 loons, and a rage.. Only issue was that the pups don't really bother killing the queen any more, the only reason I pulled off the three star was because some loons bombed her at the end.

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Yeah, a laloon is a gamble right now unless you can park two lavas at the same time by the AQ.

I failed both attacks my last war, was travelling and didn't have much time to plan them, on one I misplaced a haste so that it took me forever to take out one of the first two ADs, since I didn't get two lavas at the same time to the AD by the AQ she took me out.

Do the pups aggro on queen or do the balloons kill her?

Did this attack with 4 hounds on a th9 with lvl 6 ad. I was tight on time but had lots of troops left. Thanks for posting it is a great strategy! And yes the pups aggro on Queen if she is close. Took her out quick.

Tried it and had some success. Still would love to see a video.

I am 2 for 4 w this attack. Mind you I have been purposely pushing the limits to see where and how it works and does not work.

Do what ever it takes to keep the AQ by the last to fall ad. If she wanders towards to front two ad you are gonna have a bad time.

If the cc is "unlurable" and it does not empty as you go in (lava, loons in cc) then be careful to not let your heros trip its radius before the pups take it out or you are gonna have a bad time.

dead center AQ is a bad idea for this attack.

Hi guys, just wanted to bump the thread and make some small comments.

Thanks for all the input BTW!

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I am 2 for 4 w this attack. Mind you I have been purposely pushing the limits to see where and how it works and does not work.

Do what ever it takes to keep the AQ by the last to fall ad. If she wanders towards to front two ad you are gonna have a bad time.

If the cc is "unlurable" and it does not empty as you go in (lava, loons in cc) then be careful to not let your heros trip its radius before the pups take it out or you are gonna have a bad time.

dead center AQ is a bad idea for this attack.

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This has happened to me once or twice too. Be a little careful if the AQ isn't next by an AD.

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Tried it and had some success. Still would love to see a video.

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Anyone who tried the attack care to post some video?

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Did this attack with 4 hounds on a th9 with lvl 6 ad. I was tight on time but had lots of troops left. Thanks for posting it is a great strategy! And yes the pups aggro on Queen if she is close. Took her out quick.

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Yeah, it has worked real well for me without heros too. If you are looking for 3 stars without heros, this is definitely the best attack I've ever seen or used. You of course still need to execute well, I've done this attack quite a lot now and been doing a lot of air raids for a long time. I just had a week were I was busy at work and just deployed the troops without analysing the base as much as I usually do, and I ended up just running out of time or missing the AQ or just messing it up a few times. But a good attack on a decent base (max 1 AD 7 unless the base is perfect when you are without both heros), you "should" get 3, I consider it a "fail" if I don't.

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Anyone who tried the attack care to post some video?

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Not my video but I found this one. I have had a lot more success with practice over the last week. Sometimes the queen is a little ways away from the AD so she picks off some pups before they swarm on her but overall very good attack strategy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dGM04OaRCU

Finally got to do this attack with both heros. Th9 vs th9. 6 stars. Works so well. My clan thought you had to attack the queen 1st but now they are believing. Funnybthing hapoened on my 2nd attack. The aq was a little farther away from the ad when the hounds popped and the pups didnt go for the aq. However 6 loons were on their way to the xbow she was standing on. So i dropped my rage and no more queen.
Heros are getting closer to max so i will be doing this a lot more.

Also, I have been using 4 hounds, 3 of my own and one in the CC opposed to 5 hounds.

Also, I used a screen capture for free called AZ screen capture for android. Took very little to setup. May upload my two attacks from last war.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...nrecorder.free

Loved this attack, im going to try it.
will 2 lightning spells level 5 and 1 quake level 3 take an ad 7?
thanks!

I love the concept... How would you approach this base?

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I love the concept... How would you approach this base?

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looks doable:
kill lower left ad.
Kill lower sweeper and lure cc by doing this. Kill it.
5 Hounds from right on 2 ads that oppose AQ (i wouldnt launch 5th hound on AD near queen in this case, because path to AD is too long from that side for loons, cant get to ad fast without 6 loons deployed on cannon and 2 ATs and hound can die too fast from bombs and all these loons will die)
So go from right direction with 2 loons on each point def. Haste area with lot of def near lower AD, and area between upper sweeper and upper ad.
wait and rage last ad near queen when hounds will be there and loons close by if you have rage.
Or haste closest loon group to get to last ad faster if you have haste.

may try to save 3-6 loons on point defs behind last ad to lauch them when hounds will get to it.

just thought id post to say im 1 for 1 using this strategy and am trying to get others in my clan to use it. Doesnt seem to be too many bases that are perfect for it though as rarely is the queen only in range of 1 AD

Hi!
do you think it could work on this base??
max troops for th9, earthquake level 3 and lightning level 5.
thanks!


http://imgur.com/hY7YG65

I'm going to try and zapquake a level 7 AD with a level 13 AQ next to it.
If I time the lightning right when the AQ is next to the AD, will she go down with the AD?

This is with 1 EQ (lvl 2) and 2 light (lvl 6)

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I'm going to try and zapquake a level 7 AD with a level 13 AQ next to it.
If I time the lightning right when the AQ is next to the AD, will she go down with the AD?

This is with 1 EQ (lvl 2) and 2 light (lvl 6)

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For future reference, this DID NOT take down the queen even though she was right next to the AD when the zaps occurred. Took her down to about 1/3 health.

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Loved this attack, im going to try it.
will 2 lightning spells level 5 and 1 quake level 3 take an ad 7?
thanks!

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Anyone tried?

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For future reference, this DID NOT take down the queen even though she was right next to the AD when the zaps occurred. Took her down to about 1/3 health.

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Because the EQ doesn't effect her, it would have to be 3 lightnings.

I just got my light to lvl6 today and gave it a try to a max th9 with lvl15 AQ, and it worked well, did it without my heroes since they are upgrading. And the base have no CC so going to try it again.

do you think that this strategy will work on this base

i have max th9 troops with AQ/BQ 20/17

My strategy would be to zap the higher AD on the right hand side then after dealing with cc I would launch two lava hounds each on the ADs on the left hand side

after looning from the left I will then launch my last hound at the AD near the AQ

will this work?

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do you think that this strategy will work on this base

i have max th9 troops with AQ/BQ 20/17

My strategy would be to zap the higher AD on the right hand side then after dealing with cc I would launch two lava hounds each on the ADs on the left hand side

after looning from the left I will then launch my last hound at the AD near the AQ

will this work?

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That should work similar to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dGM04OaRCU

Thanks for that

it went exactly like that and got three stars

How does this attack work when the bows are pointed skywards?

Used this attack last war to a very fun 3*. Everyone loved the attack. Granted they didn't have cc troops but i didnt have heros either. I just upgraded to th10 so my spell factory was down too. I too 9 haste spells. Ran it just like normal but 2 haste per ad till the last one.
Takes patience to watch the aq bast away at the lavas one after another the finally dropping a haste in her and watching all those pups go after her. It was all very exciting. Such a great strategy.
Edit: just attacked on my th9 account with heros lvl 18. Another easy 3*. You can't just spam it however.

As a pentalaloon enthusiast I love the idea of this attack strategy and will definitely have to try it out.

Thanks for sharing!

example:
http://clip2net.com/clip/m454196/a57cf-clip-270kb.jpg
what i had to face - i knew there was lava in cc (+30-40s for me and +3 loons), no air skeletons. and ground x-bows (really... what did this guy expected to do even vs usual rages+hastes laloon :facepalm:)
only one AD in range of AQ lvl10
Down part of the map has only 1 anti air zone AT+WT+AD all near :)
SO
1. bum
http://clip2net.com/clip/m454196/345f1-clip-93kb.jpg
2. 1 and 2nd groups went. Upper one - lavas then pairs of loons. Lower one - 3x loons first after that lavas as AD is too far in the middle
http://clip2net.com/clip/m454196/86021-clip-292kb.jpg
3. Two hastes. 1st on upper AD and its taken down fast, 2nd on path to lower AD 5 seconds later.
http://clip2net.com/clip/m454196/12abe-clip-242kb.jpg
4. Here we go with 3rd group
http://clip2net.com/clip/m454196/19ec9-clip-231kb.jpg
5. rage on pups near AQ and end of last antiair defences
http://clip2net.com/clip/m454196/2e629-clip-175kb.jpg
6. 2 lavas stayed alive in the end. 3 star with 53 seconds left

I have hard time to use this vs maxed th9 with dragon in cc, and air skeletons, and air x-bows. As i can easy just run out of time because of cc or because of too much pups will die. But usualy i can take down all defences by this anyway. Well and some max th9 anti laloon bases you just dont attack with air to not fail misserably.

But on this base on which previous attacker used GoWiPe failed with earning 0 stars it went great:thumbsup:

We're still at war right now and matched against a clan with a lot of rushed bases, 2 th 10s as well. I've been following this thread and been meaning to try it after I got lvl 6 lightning.

This is the base.

http://i.imgur.com/RrTYVAj.jpg

We're winning it as the other side just doesn't have the high level troops to get more than a 1 star at best.

I should probably take out the inferno instead, but I'll go go for the lvl 5 air defense with 2 lightning and the enemy AQ can be taken out easy and the cc is an easy lure too.

Finally got the courage to upload my attacks. Again, I have been using 4 lava hounds. Luck seems to have a lot to do with these attacks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMQoR2SZYEc

I tried to take out lvl1 inferno with ad and queen near with 3 lightnings and 1 eq, well AQ and AD near was killed but inferno didnt. I guess it has something to do with 2x2 place gets less shots, than usual 3x3. So you need 4 lvl6 +1lvlEQ vs inferno if someone will try this.

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I tried to take out lvl1 inferno with ad and queen near with 3 lightnings and 1 eq, well AQ and AD near was killed but inferno didnt. I guess it has something to do with 2x2 place gets less shots, than usual 3x3. So you need 4 lvl6 +1lvlEQ vs inferno if someone will try this.

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clanmate of mine does this when he can grab and inferno and xbow together
tends to open up one side of the base fairly nicely

Any luck with this attack if both xbows of the defender are set to ground and air?

How close does the Queen have to be to the last air defense? Can it still be done on the below base?

http://i.imgur.com/Z6pqZ5V.jpg

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How close does the Queen have to be to the last air defense? Can it still be done on the below base?

http://i.imgur.com/Z6pqZ5V.jpg

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This base is easy cb golaloon.

Will the reverse pantaloon work on the base below?

xbows are air and ground

Surely there's got to be more than one or two videos of this awesome attack by now?!?

I am finding this strategy to be very hit and miss

I have tried three times

My first attempt yielded three stars - so happy

My second attempt got 49% zero stars - I thought the base design was similar to the first one but messed up wen luring the CC with loons and nothing came out - I worked out it was a lavahound after stupidly deploying my king

My third attempt yielded a 55% one star - this was against the base a couple of posts above.

I zapped the AD on the east side and after taking out the CC successfully deployed two level 2 hounds against both the south and the West ADs

I used a rage spell on the west AD.

The attack however petered out with the lavapups being picked of quickly and easily by the xbows.

Will persevere but;

I think the attack carries risk
Probably best to avoid air facing xbows

Would two haste spells be better than one rage?

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The attack however petered out with the lavapups being picked of quickly and easily by the xbows.


Would two haste spells be better than one rage?

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Rage is better for pups, haste is better for loons. But if i dont know what is in cc i take poison with me and so 3 hastes always, to help with cc and save more loons for attack.


Also this is not "vs every th9 base strat" there are some anti laloons designs you should avoid and not attack with loons:
1. When there is no AD in range of middle of base defences. Lavas will fly through and loons and pups will be taken out fast by teslas and x-bows
2. Asymmetrical bases with big part of base covered by anti-air other than AD, can be easy or hard like #1
3. If AQ has few of ADs in her range its better not to use reverse, but usual laloon.


The most preferable design for reverse laloon is when by taking out one of AD you clear that part of the base of air defences, or there will be only some alone AT\WT left. And when AQ has only last AD in range and wont run forward to first ADs to help kill lavas and loons,pups after.

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Finally got the courage to upload my attacks. Again, I have been using 4 lava hounds. Luck seems to have a lot to do with these attacks.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMQoR2SZYEc

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After using this attack strategy exclusively for 2 weeks, I have almost given up on it in favor of the "Max attack". With reverse laloon, it's either 1 or 3 stars with luck playing a huge role. With max attack, my kill squad tends to get 1 to 2 stars alone.

Like someone else said, this is not over powered nor for every base. I wouldn't recommend on max bases or with max xbows set to air and ground. This is good for when one hero is out and you want to hit lower.

What is the "MAX ATTACK" then?

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What is the "MAX ATTACK" then?

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http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...the-MAX-ATTACK



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQu1xMO4Png&feature=youtu.be

https://youtu.be/E92ER4_5D6I

https://youtu.be/E92ER4_5D6I:cool:

I would agree that this attack is not even close to an every base strategy but to be fair, what is? I do think the reversed pentalaloon is a much more viable attack option nowadays when compared to the original pentalaloon. It also opens up the possibility of a high level war strategy when heroes are upgrading. Other than that, I think golaloon - whether cb, shattered or a max attack are much stronger attacks and when you have heroes I really don't know that I would ever opt for a penta.

As far as the Max attack is concerned, I tend to lean towards a classic shattered vs. the max attack in most cases where I would consider golaloon. I know some of the high level war guys are big on the max attack and some are calling it a good "noob" strategy and maybe that is at least part of the reason it is popular. Personally, I find my shattered laloon is much more powerful with spells on my loons rather than spells on my kill squad. So as long as I can get in with wb or wb and jump, I prefer the classic shattered.

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I would agree that this attack is not even close to an every base strategy but to be fair, what is? I do think the reversed pentalaloon is a much more viable attack option nowadays when compared to the original pentalaloon. It also opens up the possibility of a high level war strategy when heroes are upgrading. Other than that, I think golaloon - whether cb, shattered or a max attack are much stronger attacks and when you have heroes I really don't know that I would ever opt for a penta.

As far as the Max attack is concerned, I tend to lean towards a classic shattered vs. the max attack in most cases where I would consider golaloon. I know some of the high level war guys are big on the max attack and some are calling it a good "noob" strategy and maybe that is at least part of the reason it is popular. Personally, I find my shattered laloon is much more powerful with spells on my loons rather than spells on my kill squad. So as long as I can get in with wb or wb and jump, I prefer the classic shattered.

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Using spells on either your KS or laloon portion I would say are highly dependent on your hero levels.

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I would agree that this attack is not even close to an every base strategy but to be fair, what is? I do think the reversed pentalaloon is a much more viable attack option nowadays when compared to the original pentalaloon. It also opens up the possibility of a high level war strategy when heroes are upgrading. Other than that, I think golaloon - whether cb, shattered or a max attack are much stronger attacks and when you have heroes I really don't know that I would ever opt for a penta.

As far as the Max attack is concerned, I tend to lean towards a classic shattered vs. the max attack in most cases where I would consider golaloon. I know some of the high level war guys are big on the max attack and some are calling it a good "noob" strategy and maybe that is at least part of the reason it is popular. Personally, I find my shattered laloon is much more powerful with spells on my loons rather than spells on my kill squad. So as long as I can get in with wb or wb and jump, I prefer the classic shattered.

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Thanks for your input!

I've done the reverse pentalaloon for some time now. There is always a risk for failing when hitting stronger bases, but I wouldn't overrated how good of a fit a base must be. But no doubt, the base have to be somewhat of a fit. Like, I never hit my number but choose from at least 6-7 bases. More often than not, you can find a target for it though.

For me, I would say that the reverse pentalaloon is maybe the 3rd most common attack to be the best fit behind golaloon or gohog against the avg base. Gohog is almost like a fall-back option, can be used on most bases with a pretty high success-rate if you are good at it (takes a ton of practise). There is often some golaloon options, and when there are they are very safe 3-star targets. Probably up towards 90-95% against good targets. The reverse pentalaloon can work against many bases, but success-rate falls of course depending on how good fit the base is.

HOWEVER, without a hero or even without both heros. I do the reverse pentalaloon like 90% of the time and the only time I don't do it is if I hit a max th9 with heros up towards 30 just to get a safe 2 star.

I have to say that I not even remotely have found a better 3 star attack without a hero. What is you guys take on this?

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Originally Posted by Messier11

Thanks for your input!

HOWEVER, without a hero or even without both heros. I do the reverse pentalaloon like 90% of the time and the only time I don't do it is if I hit a max th9 with heros up towards 30 just to get a safe 2 star.

I have to say that I not even remotely have found a better 3 star attack without a hero. What is you guys take on this?

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How do you deal with dragon + wizards on a CC without heroes? on golaloon they destroy the loons if you dont take care of them with your heroes beforehand...

Great post, thanks for sharing it.
I look forward to trying this!

How do you guys deal with dragon and baloon in cc without your heroes?

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Originally Posted by carlskie

How do you guys deal with dragon and baloon in cc without your heroes?

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I only upgrade one hero at a time. If I have King, drop King and 2 wizards. They chase the king while the 2 wizards do the job. If I have Queen, just drop her and use ability.

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Originally Posted by swat8

I only upgrade one hero at a time. If I have King, drop King and 2 wizards. They chase the king while the 2 wizards do the job. If I have Queen, just drop her and use ability.

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Ic.. I will try that on my next attack, thank you very much

I have BK10 and AQ12 heroes... I have found this to be my 3 star attack against my mirror +/- 2. I would very seldom get a 3 star using ANY of the other popular strategies, unless I attacked -6 or so. Thank you for sharing this, I'm back to 6 Stars instead of 3+. (Lvl5 Lightning and quake... What a game changer)

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How do you guys deal with dragon and baloon in cc without your heroes?

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First of all, only pull with loons, then the defending loons will not come out.

My heroes is getting up there and I've been working a lot lately, so I haven't been without both in a while. I am not 100% exactly how I've used to killed the drag, but I've used 4 lavas instead of five and then had either 15/20 worth of troops of a few brbs, archers and 2 wiz. Is 7 archers/2 wiz enough without poison? Something like that. 10 archers, 2 brbs and 2 wiz is definitely enough. 22 loons 4 lavas. But then you need to hit a little lower.