Valkyries deal double damage to Inferno Towers

Problem 1: Inferno Towers
As the game currently stands, there is a major problem - TH10 is unbalanced. As a max TH9, I have trouble even 2-starring TH10s with infernos and a decent layout. Even for TH10s, infernos are a major issue. It's so bad, there are major war players who will never upgrade to TH10, so called "perma-TH9s". The fact is that TH9 v. TH9 is balanced and enjoyable, but TH10 is not. Personally, I don't think the infernos should be nerfed. TH10s deserve a tough defense, especially since it costs DE. But right now it has no weakness.

Problem 2: Valkyries
Now, another problem: the Valkyrie. Even though it has been upgraded over the past year, it still serves no purpose in most major war strategies. Sure, valkyries are fun, and can be used very well against a bad base layout, but no current major war strategies utilizes Valkyries. Most TH9 players don't even upgrade them until last.

Solution
Make Valkyries deal double damage to inferno towers. Think about it. It would give this under-utilized troop a real role. It would give TH9s at least a sliver of a chance of battling TH10s. TH10 would become more balanced as new attack strategies developed. And it's not too over-powered, as getting valkyries into a TH10 core is no easy feat.

Example upgrade chart
Level 1: 1x dmg to infernos
Level 2: 1x dmg to infernos
Level 3: 1.5x dmg to infernos
Level 4: 2x dmg to infernos
(Perhaps even give TH10s level 5 w/ 3x dmg to infernos??)

I think this would be a great win for TH9 and TH10 players, and would lead to some new, interesting strategies as well as bring some balance to the game. Thoughts?

Valkyries are almost useless, I never saw them in action except when filling war cc of a th4 or th5.
Me and alot of my friends were gonna max th9 and stay there until a maxed th10 can somehow 3☆ another maxed th10 without being so lucky.
A maxed th10 can barely 2☆ a maxed th10, so what u think about th9 trying to 2☆th 10?

Perhaps they would be more useful, if their key target was an inferno, and/or they could throw their axes in order to attack air units as well.. I think you are onto something there! CHEERS!

I agree, except I think that they should deal constant multiplicative damage to infernos at all levels. What I mean is have them deal 50% or 75% ( either way ) more damage to infernos, not changing at each level. The DPS already goes up, so I don't think we have to make infernos useless.

I see what your saying about inferno towers being hard to take down and all but what if instead of messing with Valkyries stats we work on a new creature/troop like the dark scorpion how bout make its fav target the inferno tower and have it take reduced dmg from the tower as its a desert dwelling creature like .25% less at lvl 1 or something sorry to hyjack your post its not with out merit.

My question is that as th9, why would you think you should be able to 2 star a th10?

Since Max valks are available at th9, your proposal would make it easy for a th9 to star a th10, which shouldn't be the case.

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Originally Posted by Cthiel27

I see what your saying about inferno towers being hard to take down and all but what if instead of messing with Valkyries stats we work on a new creature/troop like the dark scorpion how bout make its fav target the inferno tower and have it take reduced dmg from the tower as its a desert dwelling creature like .25% less at lvl 1 or something sorry to hyjack your post its not with out merit.

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I dunno, you haven't answered the question of valks being useless though. Tweaking valks still makes sense and would be a bit more convenient.

I think this a good idea, Valkeries definitely need a buff

While I would slightly disagree that valks are currently worthless they could definitely have a higher purpose. As you point out with no AI tweeks it would still require funnelling skills. (No spamming) TH9s might be able to handle a preme 10 but max 10 would still be impossible. And 10 on 10 crime would be more balanced.

And I am one of those permanent th9s you mentioned until balance issue is handled. Whether this or other ideas.

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Originally Posted by Xav1

My question is that as th9, why would you think you should be able to 2 star a th10?

Since Max valks are available at th9, your proposal would make it easy for a th9 to star a th10, which shouldn't be the case.

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Because strength difference shouldn't be such that a Lower Level Townhall CAN'T EVER 2 star an upper level Townhall even after using their best army comps. At TH7, the most OP attack is Dragon Rush and if used correctly it can be used to gain two stars on a TH8. At TH8 the strongest attack is GoWiPe and a maxed GoWiPe attack(Level 3 Pekkas, Level 2 Golems, Level 5 Wizards) if properly pulled off can 2 star a decent TH9(Sure leaning a bit too much to the "clutch attack" side most of the times). The problem begins with TH10. Once you get the Dual I.Ts and set them to Multi, no army comp a TH9 uses gets more than 1 star on that TH10. This should not be the case. Yes there are 2 star attacks but they are very rare, 1/100, I would say, as far as I have seen.

I agree we should at least make Valkyries stronger maybe against inferno towers but not double too op

I see the value in your idea, and i think it might be a great idea to add a level 5 valk,

but i really dont get why nobody uses them, they're EPIC, 3 valks can dish almost the same damage as 1 pekka and they damage multiple buildings (downside they can be shot off the map)

Maybe its an idea to edit the inferno's instead, now they make it impossible to heal troops. maybe change that to 50 or 75% reduction?

Naw, no need to go around enchanting Valkyries. Infernos just need to be nerfed. They either need to do less damage at multi target, have their hp reduced significantly, be able to target less troops, or not be able to totally block all healing. I'm in favor of three troop max targeting and slight damage reduction at multi target setting. The single target setting has no flaws in my opinion.

Hi Guys,

I actually really like this idea it helps to change the game which seems to be Supercells target goal in Clash. The idea that Valks would be more than just useless is what I really enjoy about it. One other idea that would be nice could be the same for lightening spells. Consider the idea of 1 1/2 damage of lightening spells on infernos, it would not only impliment lightening spells back into the game but give even Th9s a better chance against Th10's. Just an idea though let me know what you guys think.

Thanks,
Kalebh

Not a bad idea. Someone mentioned infernos possibly the fav target for valks. Not a fan of that, as I think going in between buildings and doing the most damage possible is the main reason for the valks.

Infernos
I don't actually think that infernos are too OP by themselves, but there definitely needs to be better balance at TH10. It's basically impossible to 3 star solid TH10 bases. I don't think 3 starring TH10 bases should be easy, but I think it should be more probable if the right strategy is used.

Valks
Valks are so close to being an awesome troop, but they fall short. I want to use them because they are so unique, but they just don't offer enough to make it worth using. They definitely need some kind of buff. Personally, I think they should take up 5 or 6 troop spaces instead of 8 and/or a level 5+ for them. I can get creative in wars and raids and use them with some success, but it doesn't offer much benefit to bring them over other troops. SC definitely needs to beef up these gals in some way.

great. it's very nice.

As Valkyries are unlocked at TH8 and maxed at TH9, I don't think they are a good choice for a troop that specializes against inferno towers.

If anything, it should be a troop that is exclusive to TH10 (of which there are none - yet). There is no reason for any town hall level below TH10 to have access to something that has a special ability against inferno towers.

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Originally Posted by badfish1979

As Valkyries are unlocked at TH7 and maxed at TH9, I don't think they are a good choice for a troop that specializes against inferno towers.

If anything, it should be a troop that is exclusive to TH10 (of which there are none - yet). There is no reason for any town hall level below TH10 to have access to something that has a special ability against inferno towers.

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First I would like to say that Valks are a TH8 troop. Second I agree but disagree with the second half. Every other TH lvl has a chance to 2 star the TH above them (yes, lots of factors are involved) except for TH9. I agree with not making it easy to 2 star a TH10 but right now there is almost no chance. I also agree with not have a special ability against inferno towers. Realistically is Valks had this ability a TH8 could have a chance at 2 stars to a newbie TH10. This would be unbalanced. But a TH9 needs a way to be able to attack a TH10 a feel like they have a chance. Right there is no chance. I don't have a suggestion on how to fix, but the TH10 exclusive troop is a good idea. Maybe like some people have suggested, the volcano mage for the Dark Barracks (not hijacking tread, just an on the spot idea). Takes half damage and deals 1.5x damage. That's all I have.

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Originally Posted by docmattman

Valks
Valks are so close to being an awesome troop, but they fall short. I want to use them because they are so unique, but they just don't offer enough to make it worth using. They definitely need some kind of buff. Personally, I think they should take up 5 or 6 troop spaces instead of 8 and/or a level 5+ for them. I can get creative in wars and raids and use them with some success, but it doesn't offer much benefit to bring them over other troops. SC definitely needs to beef up these gals in some way.

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I've literally been thinking about this all day ♥♥♥♥, and i totally agree, I think i'll search the forums a little and maybe i'll raise a Valkyrie lovers thread :D

I certainly hope I am not the only one saying that people who fail to use Valkyries are bad. People need to seek the opportunities rather than create new ones.

The troop will go for anything, so you need to learn to funnel them.
They can attack two buildings at once, which means they are best for compact bases
It is the only Damage Dealing troop that can serve as a mild tank. (Only Major front line offensive Unit)
More Hitpoints and DPS than a Giant.

I could go on, but there are too many people that don't like to try new strategies. For some reason, nobody can figure out how to use this simple troop. It is the same as trying to funnel a Pekka. If you find it simple to get a Pekka to the core of a base, it's no different than trying to get Valkyries in the core as well.

Both the Valkyrie and Pekka need to be funneled; If you can funnel one, you can funnel the other. That seems to be everyone's problem; The only people complaining are the farmers and rushers, They find out Valkyries don't get them any loot, so they go ahead and say it's a bad troop.

People need to better themselves and figure out how to use this troop, because nothing special is going to be changed with them.

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Originally Posted by badfish1979

As Valkyries are unlocked at TH8 and maxed at TH9, I don't think they are a good choice for a troop that specializes against inferno towers.

If anything, it should be a troop that is exclusive to TH10 (of which there are none - yet). There is no reason for any town hall level below TH10 to have access to something that has a special ability against inferno towers.

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I disagree with your reason that Valks should not be buffed against Inferno towers.

Th9 3 star strategies include use of balloons (what th4-5?), hogs (th7), Valks (th8) as a major part of the attacking force (and often a key troop of a raid). Sure you use lava hounds with loons, but not always. You don't use anything with hogs.

What about the most ubiquitous of troops, the golem (th8)?

My point is most strategies at th9 use major troops unlocked at lower th levels.

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Originally Posted by Pympin

I also agree with not have a special ability against inferno towers. Realistically is Valks had this ability a TH8 could have a chance at 2 stars to a newbie TH10.

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More importantly, th8 level 2 valks have a hard time against th9 defenses. I doubt a th8 will EVER 2 star a th10 with max th9 defences and even a level 1 inferno, unless they are rushed like hell! (In which case, they really shouldn't be complaining)

Level 2 valks are butter with level 3 x-bows hitting them.

I am not against introduction of a new troop at th10 to counter infernos. I'm all for it! But let's not neglect my favourite troop in the game just cause its unlocked at th8 (we all know a well used th8 troop used commonly at th10, the PEKKA).

I think Valks vs Infernos are a great idea worth exploring! Nothing is OP as long as it is properly balanced before releasing the update.

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Originally Posted by ginko1992

I disagree with your reason that Valks should not be buffed against Inferno towers.

Th9 3 star strategies include use of balloons (what th4-5?), hogs (th7), Valks (th8) as a major part of the attacking force (and often a key troop of a raid). Sure you use lava hounds with loons, but not always. You don't use anything with hogs.

What about the most ubiquitous of troops, the golem (th8)?

My point is most strategies at th9 use major troops unlocked at lower th levels.

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The difference is the only thing being requested here is a special ability against inferno towers, which means it is a special ability that only works against TH10s.

Those other troops have their own uses at those lower town hall levels against their own town hall levels and lower.

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Originally Posted by ginko1992

More importantly, th8 level 2 valks have a hard time against th9 defenses. I doubt a th8 will EVER 2 star a th10 with max th9 defences and even a level 1 inferno, unless they are rushed like hell! (In which case, they really shouldn't be complaining)

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Then how would adding a special ability against inferno towers help make valks any more useful at TH8?

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Originally Posted by ginko1992

Level 2 valks are butter with level 3 x-bows hitting them.

I am not against introduction of a new troop at th10 to counter infernos. I'm all for it! But let's not neglect my favourite troop in the game just cause its unlocked at th8 (we all know a well used th8 troop used commonly at th10, the PEKKA).

I think Valks vs Infernos are a great idea worth exploring! Nothing is OP as long as it is properly balanced before releasing the update.

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It sounds like the only reason you want this is for the valk to be more useful. But how does only making them more useful against TH10s help lower town halls against each other? It doesn't.

If adding the special ability against inferno towers is only to help make the valk more useful at TH10, why not simply release another level or two of the valk at TH10 instead of giving lower level town halls an unneeded special ability against inferno towers?

Let me now argue my viewpoint for those 3 points you mentioned.

1. I said "buffed" against inferno towers and not "special ability" against inferno towers (although a special ability wouldn't be too bad either). However, coming to this point, the valks ARE useful at th8 and th9 both at 3 star war strategies and 2 star trophy pushing strategies (at level 2).

2. The addition of the special ability wouldn't impact much of the Valkyrie use at th8 and 9. It doesn't need to. Its already useful there. (though its not used very commonly and I can understand why)

3. I already made my point that valks aren't useless at lower th levels (quite the contrary).

You make a good point that you could easily add extra level of valks at th10 to buff them against infernos. It goes with the general direction of this thread. However, let me argue for the addition of special ability and why it isn't unneeded at lower ths (th9).

Note that addition of this special ability wouldn't affect valks for th8 v th9. And I don't think we need to analyse th8 v th10 since that is ridiculous.

I think th9 should be able to 2 star th10s. And they can. Adding this special ability gives th9s another strategy along with GoWiPe and GoWiWi to 2 star max th10s (especially in the absence of freeze spells).

As I see it, the "negate healing" god mode of the inferno makes valks useless against a th10. With a special ability, th9s can potentially 3 star new th10s with level 1 infernos in wars ​with another strategy.

This could also be done by adding freeze spells to th9's arsenal but I think it might make air attacks op (although I haven't thought much about this).

This could be a good idea.

I think giving th 9s freeze spells is a better approach. How about th 9s get freezes, but they can't upgrade them past level 2 without a level 8 laboratory.

Most people's malice toward inferno towers is that multi-infernos negate healing to 5 targets. This was done to combat hogs with heals taking out th10s (from what I have come across; I wasn't in tune with the times when the infernos came out).

Now this may have already been suggested, but I'll go ahead and say it anyway. Why didn't they just add a multiplier to the damage done to hogs? Like it is with GBs vs hogs and teslas vs PEKKAs. The 'negate healing' can then be done away with.

This opens up so many more strategies at th10 with valks and giants and what not!

Anyone agree with what I suggest? Feel free to point out any misconceptions I may have.

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Originally Posted by drbryce

Problem 1: Inferno Towers
As the game currently stands, there is a major problem - TH10 is unbalanced. As a max TH9, I have trouble even 2-starring TH10s with infernos and a decent layout. Even for TH10s, infernos are a major issue. It's so bad, there are major war players who will never upgrade to TH10, so called "perma-TH9s". The fact is that TH9 v. TH9 is balanced and enjoyable, but TH10 is not. Personally, I don't think the infernos should be nerfed. TH10s deserve a tough defense, especially since it costs DE. But right now it has no weakness.

Problem 2: Valkyries
Now, another problem: the Valkyrie. Even though it has been upgraded over the past year, it still serves no purpose in most major war strategies. Sure, valkyries are fun, and can be used very well against a bad base layout, but no current major war strategies utilizes Valkyries. Most TH9 players don't even upgrade them until last.

Solution
Make Valkyries deal double damage to inferno towers. Think about it. It would give this under-utilized troop a real role. It would give TH9s at least a sliver of a chance of battling TH10s. TH10 would become more balanced as new attack strategies developed. And it's not too over-powered, as getting valkyries into a TH10 core is no easy feat.

Example upgrade chart
Level 1: 1x dmg to infernos
Level 2: 1x dmg to infernos
Level 3: 1.5x dmg to infernos
Level 4: 2x dmg to infernos
(Perhaps even give TH10s level 5 w/ 3x dmg to infernos??)

I think this would be a great win for TH9 and TH10 players, and would lead to some new, interesting strategies as well as bring some balance to the game. Thoughts?

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problem is th 9 shouldnt be able to 2 star th 10 anyway but it is a good idea

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Originally Posted by coreman03

problem is th 9 shouldnt be able to 2 star th 10 anyway but it is a good idea

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Why do you think that?

TH7s can 2 star TH8s. TH8s can 2 star TH9s. So, by extrapolating, TH9s should be able to 2 star TH10s. 3 starring them should be difficult.

I already replied to this but yeah I still think there should at least something done with Valkyries I mean like it would be best for the use of valks