Long Term solution to loot deficiency.

The idea I have is simple. 90% of all loot in this game comes from collectors if not more (depends how much resources are gemmed and at what trophy level). YET, everytime I go into matchmaking maybe 25% of the people have max collectors. I see extremely advanced bases with lvl 4-5 collectors. They are the major provider of loot in this game seeing as it isn't just inserted into the game randomly (except gems). So if all the loot we are getting originates from collectors, we should max all our collectors to increase loot over the whole population correct? Simple way to get people to do this: Make an achievement for 250 gems (very small amount) to max your collectors.

Broken down version for people who do not want to read through that jumble:

90% of loot in coc is from collectors (10% is gemmed and I'd argue it would be less)
A large amount of coc players do not have max collectors, going back to first point-so less loot for everyone.
Easy way to get people to max their collectors: add an achievment for 250 gems to max them, this could also apply to dark elixir drills.

Collectors create 90% of the loot in game if not more, giving it the benefit of the doubt, but with everyone's collectors not maxed it cannot sustain everyone raiding for resources, thats why there is minimal loot, because collectors are minimal level, yet they create the majority of the loot, so it hurts the resource economy.


Think of it this way:
Country A can make a maximum of $5 a day (dont feel like writing out something bigger everytime)
Country A is only making $1 a day though.
Same with country B-Z. They are only making $26 combined a day when they could be making $130 a day.
Between countries A-Z they raid $40 a day, but combined they are only making $26 a day. This results in -$14 a day, thus a net a loss, and the amount of money plummets, thus bad loot.


But if they increase their production from $1 to $5 a day, they suddenly are making $130 a day and raiding $40 a day, which leaves $90 left over to sustain the economy and keep it from going bankrupt- good loot.

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Thanks dahimi!
Mines/collectors.
1 star - 1 level 11 mine/collector = 20 gems
2 stars - 3 level 11 mines/collectors = 30 gems
3 stars - 6 level 11 mines/collectors = 50 gems


Drills
1 star - 1 level 3 drill = 20 gems
2 stars - 1 level 6 drill = 30 gems
3 stars - 2 level 6 drills = 50 gems.

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

The idea I have is simple. 90% of all loot in this game comes from collectors if not more (depends how much resources are gemmed and at what trophy level). YET, everytime I go into matchmaking maybe 25% of the people have max collectors. I see extremely advanced bases with lvl 4-5 collectors. They are the major provider of loot in this game seeing as it isn't just inserted into the game randomly (except gems). So if all the loot we are getting originates from collectors, we should max all our collectors to increase loot over the whole population correct? Simple way to get people to do this: Make an achievement for 250 gems (very small amount) to max your collectors.

Broken down version:

90% of loot in coc is from collectors (10% is gemmed and I'd argue it would be less)
A large amount of coc players do not have max collectors, going back to first point-so less loot for everyone.
Easy way to get people to max their collectors: add an achievment for 250 gems to max them, this could also apply to dark elixir drills.

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This is brilliant. Seriously.

great idea! more abandoned bases with maxed collectors is a yes for me

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

The idea I have is simple. 90% of all loot in this game comes from collectors if not more (depends how much resources are gemmed and at what trophy level). YET, everytime I go into matchmaking maybe 25% of the people have max collectors. I see extremely advanced bases with lvl 4-5 collectors. They are the major provider of loot in this game seeing as it isn't just inserted into the game randomly (except gems). So if all the loot we are getting originates from collectors, we should max all our collectors to increase loot over the whole population correct? Simple way to get people to do this: Make an achievement for 250 gems (very small amount) to max your collectors.

Broken down version:

90% of loot in coc is from collectors (10% is gemmed and I'd argue it would be less)
A large amount of coc players do not have max collectors, going back to first point-so less loot for everyone.
Easy way to get people to max their collectors: add an achievment for 250 gems to max them, this could also apply to dark elixir drills.

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Interesting.

Will pass along to the team! =D

I totally agree. I want gems. :rolleyes:

Very interesting, that would be one hell of a challenge.

:)x∞
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A high gem achievement for this would be awesome.

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This is brilliant. Seriously.

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Your loot overhaul idea I thought was genius, but right now it seems SC is not going to be changing leagues at this point, so I thought this would be a much easier and faster idea to implement.

And forgot to multi quote, so to everyone else thanks for the support.

That has to be the best suggestion ive seen in a long time! Incredible thinking!

This is a very simple but brilliant idea!!

I do not expect this to make a huge difference in loot, and it will probably happens so slowly you would not even notice (such as watching a flower grow), it might not even put a lot more loot in the game, at least in amount we would notice, but I think it will stabilize loot, so we have a lot less of those nasty lame 400 k gold an hours a day, and make it easier to find 200/200.




e. Question to supersteve: Can you guys actually add achievements during maintenance breaks or is it another thing that has to come with updates? Just wondering seeing as there will not be an update for awhile.

Yeah my collectors are not even maxed except 3 of them. I don't got time for that man. But for 250 gems? Everybody got time for that.

I love this idea! Good work Storm! :D

An absolutely fantastic way to get more loot into the game and also very simple!! Im glad it is getting passed up to the big-wigs! I hope it gets recognised!

Great thinking!

I would like to see it but I doubt this will happen. Theres too much gold/elixier as it is. The problem is that people think theres less because they get less per attack, but as you go higher levels you are supposed to attack more times per hour.

Fantastic idea!
to bad i have already maxed all of mine :(

amazing idea, but the first 2 stars in the achievement would have to be easy to get so that people see the reward for getting the third star

on another note,
i did this early TH7 ;) gimme the gems :o

Would be very nice if this was put in the game

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Originally Posted by mxa

amazing idea, but the first 2 stars in the achievement would have to be easy to get so that people see the reward for getting the third star

on another note,
i did this early TH7 ;) gimme the gems :o

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*facepalm*
I forgot to add details about every star. Maybe 50 for 1 star, 100 for two star, and 150 for 3 star?
1 star: mines and collectors lvl 3.
2 star: mines and collectors level 7.
3 star: mines and collectors level 11.
This would put the total amount of gems at 300, but really, that is not a lot, but ENOUGH to get people to max, which is the point.

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Originally Posted by mxa

amazing idea, but the first 2 stars in the achievement would have to be easy to get so that people see the reward for getting the third star

on another note,
i did this early TH7 ;) gimme the gems :o

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The way I'd see it is you have separate achievements for mines, pumps, and drills.

Mines/collectors
1 star - 1 level 11 mine/collector = 20 gems
2 stars - 3 level 11 mines/collectors = 30 gems
3 stars - 6 level 11 mines/collectors = 50 gems

Drills
1 star - 1 level 3 drill = 20 gems
2 stars - 1 level 6 drill = 30 gems
3 stars - 2 level 6 drills = 50 gems.

Total would be 300 gems for completing them all. I specifically left out TH10 here. I think they need little further encouragement to max the extra drill, mine, and collector they get and the achievements would have less impact if you had to be TH10 to get the max rewards.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The way I'd see it is you have separate achievements for mines, pumps, and drills.

Mines/collectors
1 star - 1 level 11 mine/collector = 20 gems
2 stars - 3 level 11 mines/collectors = 30 gems
3 stars - 6 level 11 mines/collectors = 50 gems

Drills
1 star - 1 level 3 drill = 20 gems
2 stars - 1 level 6 drill = 30 gems
3 stars - 2 level 6 drills = 50 gems.

Total would be 300 gems for completing them all. I specifically left out TH10 here. I think they need little further encouragement to max the extra drill, mine, and collector they get and the achievements would have less impact if you had to be TH10 to get the max rewards.

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Ooh I like that! Mind if I replace mine with yours in OP?

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

Oh I like that? Mind if I replace mine with yours in OP?

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Nope go ahead.

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

*facepalm*
I forgot to add details about every star. Maybe 50 for 1 star, 100 for two star, and 150 for 3 star?
1 star: mines and collectors lvl 3.
2 star: mines and collectors level 7.
3 star: mines and collectors level 11.
This would put the total amount of gems at 300, but really, that is not a lot, but ENOUGH to get people to max, which is the point.

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I just come back thinking about this, wanting to know a breakup. And here we are, I like it.

So many strong bases neglect the pumps.

If this comes in, do we get gems for having them upgraded already though???

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Originally Posted by dahimi

This is brilliant. Seriously.

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But seriously, great idea and solves two needs. A. More loot and B. A new achievement. This game needs more achievements soooooo badly.

Great thinking matey.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The way I'd see it is you have separate achievements for mines, pumps, and drills.

Mines/collectors
1 star - 1 level 11 mine/collector = 20 gems
2 stars - 3 level 11 mines/collectors = 30 gems
3 stars - 6 level 11 mines/collectors = 50 gems

Drills
1 star - 1 level 3 drill = 20 gems
2 stars - 1 level 6 drill = 30 gems
3 stars - 2 level 6 drills = 50 gems.

Total would be 300 gems for completing them all. I specifically left out TH10 here. I think they need little further encouragement to max the extra drill, mine, and collector they get and the achievements would have less impact if you had to be TH10 to get the max rewards.

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:O now there's less gems for a TH7 like me lol any gems are happily accepted over here :D

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The way I'd see it is you have separate achievements for mines, pumps, and drills.

Mines/collectors
1 star - 1 level 11 mine/collector = 20 gems
2 stars - 3 level 11 mines/collectors = 30 gems
3 stars - 6 level 11 mines/collectors = 50 gems

Drills
1 star - 1 level 3 drill = 20 gems
2 stars - 1 level 6 drill = 30 gems
3 stars - 2 level 6 drills = 50 gems.

Total would be 300 gems for completing them all. I specifically left out TH10 here. I think they need little further encouragement to max the extra drill, mine, and collector they get and the achievements would have less impact if you had to be TH10 to get the max rewards.

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Even better,

Really excited over this idea, best one I've seen in a very long time! SuperSteve noted it so hopefully it can happen. :D

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I just come back thinking about this, wanting to know a breakup. And here we are, I like it.

So many strong bases neglect the pumps.

If this comes in, do we get gems for having them upgraded already though???

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Yeah that's what I was curious about and would depend completely on supercell.
Though if I dont get any gems for my maxed mines (drills and pumps are not maxed yet) I dont mind that much because Im getting an increase in loot on the raiding side, which is well worth losing out on a few hundred gems.

Yes this is a brilliant idea

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It's nice. Amongst all of the 2 builders 1 building posts, trade resources posts, and posts with the words "bank" or "clan wars" in them; the sub forum occasionally vomits up good ideas.

Ones such as the council of elders :cool: or making it so you can't steal resources you can't store. Perhaps 1 a day or so.

Then there are ideas like this one. The rare gems. Maybe once a month do you see them. Ideas that are so simple and yet so amazingly brilliant they make all of the "read the sticky" posts worth while.

This is one of them and when I see one, I have no problem with praising it.

Wow, what a wonderful idea. +9000 to this!

I think this is a good step but I don't think it's a solution. It's a nice incentive to get people to max their collectors but a lot of people will still not do it.

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

Yeah that's what I was curious about and would depend completely on supercell.
Though if I dont get any gems for my maxed mines (drills and pumps are not maxed yet) I dont mind that much because Im getting an increase in loot on the raiding side, which is well worth losing out on a few hundred gems.

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True, that is the most important element of it.

Perhaps a more practical way would be,

If you...

Have 2 maxed pumps you can claim the 1st star reward
Have 4 maxed pumps you can claim the 2nd star reward [1st is void]
Have 6 maxed pumps you can claim the 3rd star reward [1st and 2nd is void]

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Originally Posted by Influence

I think this is a good step but I don't think it's a solution. It's a nice incentive to get people to max their collectors but a lot of people will still not do it.

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You'd be amazed what people do for a few hundred gems, especially newbies.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

It's nice. Amongst all of the 2 builders 1 building posts, trade resources posts, and posts with the words "bank" or "clan wars" in them; the sub forum occasionally vomits up good ideas.

Ones such as the council of elders :cool: or making it so you can't steal resources you can't store. Perhaps 1 a day or so.

Then there are ideas like this one. The rare gems. Maybe once a month do you see them. Ideas that are so simple and yet so amazingly brilliant they make all of the "read the sticky" posts worth while.

This is one of them and when I see one, I have no problem with praising it.

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Can I take a picture, frame this, and hang it on my wall?

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

You'd be amazed what people do for a few hundred gems, especially newbies.

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Hell yeah, I'm donating like a crazy ♥♥♥♥ at the moment as I'm closing in on the 3rd friend in need achievement.

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Originally Posted by daz258

I just come back thinking about this, wanting to know a breakup. And here we are, I like it.

So many strong bases neglect the pumps.

If this comes in, do we get gems for having them upgraded already though???

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

Yeah that's what I was curious about and would depend completely on supercell.
Though if I dont get any gems for my maxed mines (drills and pumps are not maxed yet) I dont mind that much because Im getting an increase in loot on the raiding side, which is well worth losing out on a few hundred gems.

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Originally Posted by daz258

True, that is the most important element of it.

Perhaps a more practical way would be,

If you...

Have 2 maxed pumps you can claim the 1st star reward
Have 4 maxed pumps you can claim the 2nd star reward [1st is void]
Have 6 maxed pumps you can claim the 3rd star reward [1st and 2nd is void]

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I think this is a golden idea, excuse the pun.

While I wouldn't lose sleep over not being fully compensated for already having topped out mines and pumps. It would be a bit of a let down though, considering I have already been doing what this idea would be attempting to improve. That is, I/we have been adding to the games economy by already having maxed mines and pumps, why punish me/us for doing so?

I have been thinking about this issue as well, and came up with this idea a week ago, though it didn't get any feedback. http://forum.supercell.net/showthread.php/80001-Generic-SC-bases-ripe-for-our-pillaging%21. I like Mufasas more, as it deals with two issues at the same time, more achievements and the lack of resources.

Awesome idea !
Hopefully they will really implement this achievement into the game.

Yes please
Aprixius the secret dude with 11/12 level 10 collecters/mines and 1 level 9 gold mine.

At first I thought this would be another add this or do that +whine whine thread. But this is simple and a good idea.

A very well thought out solution. Can't believe I never thought of that myself. :)

Truly brilliant.

People will do this for the fifth builder for sure.

Truly brilliant.

But of course I don't really care about the builder.
More tasty, delicious loot for me *_*


Even though you're a lion, you made my day!
Heck, I love ya!

What an awesome idea! If implemented I would finally consider to upgrade my level 5 mines & pumps in my TH8 base, excuse me :)

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People will do this for the fifth builder for sure.

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Alas, it won't be enough. Max gems is 1412 from achievements. If you buy the 3rd and 4th, you are -88. You need 2000 gems added to the achievements.

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Alas, it won't be enough. Max gems is 1412 from achievements. If you buy the 3rd and 4th, you are -88. You need 2000 gems added to the achievements.

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It all helps though, if you are saving gems it might mean you can get over the line with a cheaper gem package.

For some that just might be the catalyst to make their first, or a rare gem purchase.

I've always been of the belief that the closer something is, the more inclined you are to gem.

+1, i think we have enough feedback to see this in any future updates

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Alas, it won't be enough. Max gems is 1412 from achievements. If you buy the 3rd and 4th, you are -88. You need 2000 gems added to the achievements.

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You start with a specific amount of gems I believe.
By completing all achievements, you should be able to get the fourth.
Also, don't forget wonderful obstacles. :)

My friend has gotten 4 builders, and is hundreds away from the fifth.

Ur edit says that u get gems for 1 or 3 or 6 lvl 11 collectors / mines, but what about TH 1-6? the max for them is lvl 2-10, so they wont feel as inclined to max out their collectors as TH 7+ people would. ur idea will work well on TH7+, but not so well on pre TH7 players. Maybe change a bit?

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Ur edit says that u get gems for 1 or 3 or 6 lvl 11 collectors / mines, but what about TH 1-6? the max for them is lvl 2-10, so they wont feel as inclined to max out their collectors as TH 7+ people would. ur idea will work well on TH7+, but not so well on pre TH7 players. Maybe change a bit?

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Then keep progressing and upgrade to TH7.
It's not as hard as going from TH 7 to 8.

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Then keep progressing and upgrade to TH7.
It's not as hard as going from TH 7 to 8.

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dude dont u see that it will make even more people want to rush their town halls? we'll end up with a bunch of premature TH 7s with maxed out collectors, etc. but with ♥♥♥♥ defenses. not good

too promote both anti-resource deficiency AND less premature THs, supercell will have to add achievements for upgrading defenses/ walls as well

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dude dont u see that it will make even more people want to rush their town halls? we'll end up with a bunch of premature TH 7s with maxed out collectors, etc. but with ♥♥♥♥ defenses. not good

too promote both anti-resource deficiency AND less premature THs, supercell will have to add achievements for upgrading defenses/ walls as well

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That's definitely good news for me :P

But even without the achievement right now,
it seems people have been rushing to get level 7, or even level 8, 9, 10 town halls.
That being said, I think what would affect people the most is loot bonus.
Most don't know about it, so they just get higher town halls.

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That's definitely good news for me :P

But even without the achievement right now,
it seems people have been rushing to get level 7, or even level 8, 9, 10 town halls.
That being said, I think what would affect people the most is loot bonus.
Most don't know about it, so they just get higher town halls.

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the achievement will make more people rush TH, not less

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dude dont u see that it will make even more people want to rush their town halls? we'll end up with a bunch of premature TH 7s with maxed out collectors, etc. but with ♥♥♥♥ defenses. not good

too promote both anti-resource deficiency AND less premature THs, supercell will have to add achievements for upgrading defenses/ walls as well

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There is so much loot at th7 that this quite simply does not matter. There is absolutely nothing wrong with rushing th7. Yes you will get raided, but you simply play for an hour and earn enough to keep all builders busy.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

There is so much loot at th7 that this quite simply does not matter. There is absolutely nothing wrong with rushing th7. Yes you will get raided, but you simply play for an hour and earn enough to keep all builders busy.

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Absolutely, I rushed a second account to TH7 and have no problems there at all. The 'premature' factor is kinda irrelevant when upgrades are relatively cheap [meaning storage's rarely get juicy enough to attract serious issues] and you can farm resources very efficiently.

TH8 on is when premature is an issue as just about everything costs $1 million +. That is when you are at serious risk of getting smashed.

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TH8 on is when premature is an issue as just about everything costs $1 million +. That is when you are at serious risk of getting smashed.

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I don't think so, I just saw a really interesting breakdown in another thread about the relationship between collectors and loot penalty. If you get beat up by TH +1 higher than you, you will lose 200k combined. If you get a 16 hour shield, you get almost exactly that amount back.

So the only way to get really beat up as a premature TH is not taking advantage of the shield when you have it, or being so hapless on defense that th's 1 lower than you beat you easily.

I absolutely love this idea. I also like it so I can rub the fact i get heaps of gems into my friends face cos he was an idiot and is TH7 (like me) and only just started upgrading them to level 5 whereas mine are level9 and 10 :p

A few points.

As a developer, there should no issue in logging in with fully maxed collectors and turning in all three achievements back to back.

I also think changing the achievement to four level 5 mines, then 5 level 8, and 6 level 11s may help people get started on the track to completion.

This would give them the abutting to get the achievements at TH 3, 4, and 7. Then they could look forward to another with the dark elixir at TH8 and 9.

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I don't think so, I just saw a really interesting breakdown in another thread about the relationship between collectors and loot penalty. If you get beat up by TH +1 higher than you, you will lose 200k combined. If you get a 16 hour shield, you get almost exactly that amount back.

So the only way to get really beat up as a premature TH is not taking advantage of the shield when you have it, or being so hapless on defense that th's 1 lower than you beat you easily.

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Solution: break the shield and raid other people to get loot. With a good farming army and trophy count TH7 players can easily get 1 mil gold/hour.

That's how I think an idea can be called as brilliant:

1. It should be very simple and appeal to one and all
2. Implementation should not be difficult
3. The benefit should be much more than the effort to implement
4. The result should be so simplistic that there should not be any reason for anyone not understanding it

OP, you pass with distinction in all these points.

Best thing about your idea is that 95% of COC members, who are not forum members/ readers, will work towards implementation of this idea and will be benefited from it. Its like read new achievement, achieve it and earn gems, create resources for yourself and others.

No excuse can be presented to not implement it immediately. Nice support by Dahimi

Best idea ive seen

Great idea! Didn't have time lately to check the forum. Before I saw this thread, i finally decided to waste one hut to upgrade my pumps. My clan mate once ask me why I dint maxed my collectors and mines. I said, nah, I am a hard working farmer, i don't need them. But after i went to TH8, things are going from 5 days and up, and i can't play 24/7 anymore. I calculate the loot i get from collectors in day to a week, i see that i can upgrade stuff without too much time effort in farming. Plus with the gems achievement......I need gems!!!

+10,000 for OP.

Nice idea! I just hope that when they add this ill get the one and two star reward when they Add this.;)

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There is so much loot at th7 that this quite simply does not matter. There is absolutely nothing wrong with rushing th7. Yes you will get raided, but you simply play for an hour and earn enough to keep all builders busy.

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Before coming to the forums, I rushed my THs. I was a TH7 with level 5 ATs, lvl5 cannons, and lvl2 mortars. I turned out fine. Of course, I have been TH7 for about 4-5 months haha

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I don't think so, I just saw a really interesting breakdown in another thread about the relationship between collectors and loot penalty. If you get beat up by TH +1 higher than you, you will lose 200k combined. If you get a 16 hour shield, you get almost exactly that amount back.

So the only way to get really beat up as a premature TH is not taking advantage of the shield when you have it, or being so hapless on defense that th's 1 lower than you beat you easily.

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Not exactly. First off being premature at th8 and higher has serious implications if you didnt level your troops and camps. Second in order to break even you have to ride out the shield for the full duration. This means you cannot take any breaks between attacks.

best.idea.ever.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The way I'd see it is you have separate achievements for mines, pumps, and drills.

Mines/collectors
1 star - 1 level 11 mine/collector = 20 gems
2 stars - 3 level 11 mines/collectors = 30 gems
3 stars - 6 level 11 mines/collectors = 50 gems

Drills
1 star - 1 level 3 drill = 20 gems
2 stars - 1 level 6 drill = 30 gems
3 stars - 2 level 6 drills = 50 gems.

Total would be 300 gems for completing them all. I specifically left out TH10 here. I think they need little further encouragement to max the extra drill, mine, and collector they get and the achievements would have less impact if you had to be TH10 to get the max rewards.

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I appreciate the effort but I count 200 gems... wouldn't it be better to also include lower level mines/collectors? This way newer players could also partially benefit. Something like...

Mines/collectors
1 star - 1 level 5 mine/collector = 20 gems
2 stars - 3 level 8 mines/collectors = 50 gems
3 stars - 6 level 11 mines/collectors = 80 gems

Drills
1 star - 1 level 3 drill = 20 gems
2 stars - 1 level 6 drill = 50 gems
3 stars - 2 level 6 drills = 80 gems.

This would total 300 gems.

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I appreciate the effort but I count 200 gems... wouldn't it be better to also include lower level mines/collectors? This way newer players could also partially benefit. Something like...

Mines/collectors
1 star - 1 level 5 mine/collector = 20 gems
2 stars - 3 level 8 mines/collectors = 50 gems
3 stars - 6 level 11 mines/collectors = 80 gems

Drills
1 star - 1 level 3 drill = 20 gems
2 stars - 1 level 6 drill = 50 gems
3 stars - 2 level 6 drills = 80 gems.

This would total 300 gems.

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Everyone else counts 300. Figure out how that may be. Hint, we aren't all wrong.

The reason why i suggest all high level collectors is it takes absolutely no time to reach the low level ones. People can be th7 in a matter of weeks and 90% of the collector build time is concentrated in levels 8-11.

Musafa=God

For me (with lvl 9 gold mines) i make 52800 gold a day-->~400k a week per collector x6=2.4 million gold produced a week.
If i upgrade them to lvl 11 i need 252k elixr (ill assume this is gold to compare, but both sets of collectors/mines would have to be upgraded). So 252 x 6=1.15 million needed (we wont count building time as it is a 'long-term' investment).
The bullding costs are equaled out in 3 days, so for arguments sake we will say that in 4 days time my base has put the same amount of resources into the game as i took out to build the collectors.
Now, with 6 lvl 11 collectors/mines i will produce: 72k gold an hour-->~500k a week per collector x6=3 million gold per week.

3-2.4= 600k more of one resource a week by just upgrading all collectors/mines the last 2 levels.

Another important aspect to remember is that they also hold more as they are upgraded, and thus they make more when they wouldve been full already eg a lvl 9 gold mine maxes out at 75k, which takes 1 day and 10 hours. Whereas a lvl 11 gold mine maxes at 150k, which takes it 2 days 2 hours.
This makes more loot for 2 reasons:
1) More loot can be held in higher level collector and thus more loot can be taken
2) After 1 day and 10 hours, a lvl 9 gold mine will stop making resources (if it is full), whilst a lvl 11 gold mine will still be making resources for an additional 14 hours.

Another small increase in gold this would create is that (for farmers), there will be more good bases out there which means that less gold is used searching.

If this were to be incorporated i think SC would gains everyone's forgiveness (even the high leveled players) for their 'money-making habits'.

So plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz do this SC :)

I don't see why SC would make 3 different achievements for mines/collectors/drills. More than likely just mines combined with collectors and then drills by itself. Have you seen how much loot you have to steal for each resource to 3 star it?

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Originally Posted by SystemErr0r

I don't see why SC would make 3 different achievements for mines/collectors/drills. More than likely just mines combined with collectors and then drills by itself. Have you seen how much loot you have to steal for each resource to 3 star it?

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Yes, they may incorporate two achievements instead of 3, that was just a guideline for what a possibility could be, and I think the original idea, well dahimis idea, is completely fair.
And im not sure what you are getting at with the looting achievements, which are easily possible to do in 10-20 days. Sorry I just woke and am pretty tired, so maybe explain what you are trying to say in the second part of your post.

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Originally Posted by SystemErr0r

I'm saying that you have to steal 2 billion worth of resources to 3 star the looting achievements just between the gold and elixir. It takes longer than 10 - 20 days to do from the time you first start the game. I don't think they'd make the achievements for maxing out collectors, mines, and drills take significantly less time. Also, you'd pretty much have to play most of the day to 3 star the loot grab in that amount of time. Not really for a more casual player.

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It's 2 hundred million, not billion..
And this helps with the loot problems, where as stealing gold and elixir doesnt..

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Originally Posted by SystemErr0r

I'm saying that you have to steal 2 billion worth of resources to 3 star the looting achievements just between the gold and elixir. It takes longer than 10 - 20 days to do from the time you first start the game. I don't think they'd make the achievements for maxing out collectors, mines, and drills take significantly less time. Also, you'd pretty much have to play most of the day to 3 star the loot grab in that amount of time. Not really for a more casual player.

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Your maths is way out...

I think this idea is one of the best Ive seen out there...

I should be biased but I dont have to be.

This will solve world hunger (for resources in the game).

:)

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

The idea I have is simple. 90% of all loot in this game comes from collectors if not more (depends how much resources are gemmed and at what trophy level). YET, everytime I go into matchmaking maybe 25% of the people have max collectors. I see extremely advanced bases with lvl 4-5 collectors. They are the major provider of loot in this game seeing as it isn't just inserted into the game randomly (except gems). So if all the loot we are getting originates from collectors, we should max all our collectors to increase loot over the whole population correct? Simple way to get people to do this: Make an achievement for 250 gems (very small amount) to max your collectors.

Broken down version for people who do not want to read through that jumble:

90% of loot in coc is from collectors (10% is gemmed and I'd argue it would be less)
A large amount of coc players do not have max collectors, going back to first point-so less loot for everyone.
Easy way to get people to max their collectors: add an achievment for 250 gems to max them, this could also apply to dark elixir drills.

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Thanks dahimi!
Mines/collectors.
1 star - 1 level 11 mine/collector = 20 gems
2 stars - 3 level 11 mines/collectors = 30 gems
3 stars - 6 level 11 mines/collectors = 50 gems


Drills
1 star - 1 level 3 drill = 20 gems
2 stars - 1 level 6 drill = 30 gems
3 stars - 2 level 6 drills = 50 gems.

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Yay go mufasa!:o

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

It's 2 hundred million, not billion..
And this helps with the loot problems, where as stealing gold and elixir doesnt..

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You're correct, I miscounted the 0's. I completely agree with your last sentence and never disagreed with your original post.

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Originally Posted by T0M

Your maths is way out...

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Actually, my math was correct. My vision for small print is terrible considering that I can barely see each zero without my astigmatism fudging it up.

YES! in messages! I maxed my collectors on all 3 accounts and one for this specific reason so that more loot can be raided from it. ;)

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Originally Posted by SystemErr0r

Actually, my math was correct. My vision for small print is terrible considering that I can barely see each zero without my astigmatism fudging it up.

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My apologies mr wonder

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I've thought about this. Great idea!

I liek this but collectors just take too long to upgrade and raiding people for loot is more fun than collecting it.

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Originally Posted by Tigerlw

I liek this but collectors just take too long to upgrade and raiding people for loot is more fun than collecting it.

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That's the whole point of the idea. To reward upgrading them with gems.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

That's whole point of the idea. To reward upgrading them with gems.

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This^^^^^
Collectors create 90% of the loot in game if not more, giving it the benefit of the doubt, but with everyone's collectors not maxed it cannot sustain everyone raiding for resources, thats why there is minimal loot, because collectors are minimal level, yet they create the majority of the loot, so it hurts the resource economy.

Think of it this way:
Country A can make a maximum of $5 a day (dont feel like writing out something bigger everytime)
Country A is only making $1 a day though.
Same with country B-Z. They are only making $26 combined a day when they could be making $130 a day.
Between countries A-Z they raid $40 a day, but combined they are only making $26 a day. This results in -$14 a day, thus a net a loss, and the amount of money plummets, thus bad loot.

But if they increase their production from $1 to $5 a day, they suddenly are making $130 a day and raiding $40 a day, which leaves $90 left over to sustain the economy and keep it from going bankrupt- good loot.

Storm, this is brilliant.
Really hope this makes it into an update in the near future in some form or another.

Guess its time for me to stop being selfish and upgrade my mines too..

Greatest idea ever to increase loot

Brilliant idea, simple yet effective!

Great idea! Just wondering that because this is an achievement, how about if I already have lvl11 collectors/lvl6 drills? I would just get those Gems or what? Sorry if this is already mentioned, Too lazy to crawl through 9 pages :rolleyes:

this will be in the next update. watch...

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Originally Posted by imas145

Great idea! Just wondering that because this is an achievement, how about if I already have lvl11 collectors/lvl6 drills? I would just get those Gems or what? Sorry if this is already mentioned, Too lazy to crawl through 9 pages :rolleyes:

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I have no idea, that is up to supercell, though even if you don't get gems, loot should theoretically get better, so you win either way.

I think you forget th10 have 7 mines/7 collectors, oh and 3 DE drills :D

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Originally Posted by silentwill

I think you forget th10 have 7 mines/7 collectors, oh and 3 DE drills :D

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Loot at townhall 10 is a whole new issue, this does not effect them, read dahimis post

I like this idea because it works with something that we already have instead of introducing something new. It increases the efficiency of the existent potential. Very nice idea!

I would add to this another efficiency increase which was already mentioned several times in the past: the gold for clicking 'next' should go to the villages that got skipped. Currently, gold vanishes into thin air each time we press next. This gold could be kept in the resource cycle if it was assigned to the skipped village. I don't dare to do any math here, but I assume that the aggregated gold that is currently lost each day by pressing next must be a hell of a lot. Furthermore, it might (at least in theory) encourage more players to leave their defense open while offline (less usage of shields) which in turn could provide a higher number of potential villages to raid. But that is more speculative and only a side effect that could further add to the availability of loot.

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Originally Posted by imas145

Great idea! Just wondering that because this is an achievement, how about if I already have lvl11 collectors/lvl6 drills? I would just get those Gems or what? Sorry if this is already mentioned, Too lazy to crawl through 9 pages :rolleyes:

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Clearly it'd be up to them, but the logical thing to do would be to just immediately complete the achievements based on whatever you currently have and distribute the rewards. If you've already got 5 maxed mines; it'd two star you, hand you 50 gems and give you 110 experience.

One of the best ideas I've seen in a long time

That is an awesome idea!

This idea could get implemented because of its simplicity! No game breaking changes or brand new concepts, its a simple patching in a new achievement to help pump more resources into the economy instead of welfare handouts like other ideas have suggested.

Love it thats all im gonna say

Great idea and simple to implement!!! Make it happen sc!

Very well written and the idea is just.. Got no words! :)

If this gets put into the game, the first two to three weeks is going to be living hell for farming as everyone is upgrading their collectors lol

I have found that this is a good idea but the first few resources were gotten by single player goblin killing...