Upgrading heroes paused with gems

I been just thinking about idea how SC wouldn't lose income, but game would be more fun and fair.
So i came to idea, where you can pause hero upgrade and use him/her on attacks.

Pausing cost maybe 50 gems?

In our clan almost no one gem hero uprade times, they just go to red as i do. So our full 50 member clan is doing 25-30 wars. We are doing cw 2 times per week and most of us doing only one war per week because of hero sleeping.

So as a now, no income for SC, most of us just playing less.

At least i would pay that 50 gems per week easily, if cost was more maybe not.

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Originally Posted by Kaagelus

I been just thinking about idea how SC wouldn't lose income, but game would be more fun and fair.
So i came to idea, where you can pause hero upgrade and use him/her on attacks.

Pausing cost maybe 50 gems?

In our clan almost no one gem hero uprade times, they just go to red as i do. So our full 50 member clan is doing 25-30 wars. We are doing cw 2 times per week and most of us doing only one war per week because of hero sleeping.

So as a now, no income for SC, most of us just playing less.

At least i would pay that 50 gems per week easily, if cost was more maybe not.

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Of course you'd pay 50 gems a week as opposed to paying the 1000 gems to finish the hero, who wouldn't?

If you didn't buy gems before, what's the likelihood you'll buy gems when the gem requirement is significantly reduced?

This has been a long going contention between players and Supercell. I think there's a compromise that exists out there, but 50 gems to cover you for the week is not practical as you get about as much in free gems per week. So with the costs being low enough that you can cover it from free obstacles and gem boxes, is that really a compromise for Supercell?

The last numbers I came at for a reasonable compromise would be about 116 gems per hero, per use.

That way, you have the option to gem the hero for use at a discount of about 70% from just gemming it to completion from the beginning. That gives users like yourself an opportunity to use heroes when you need to but won't stop those that are already spending the money to gem them today.

The amount of gems is, of course, relative to how much time is left for the upgrade. So 116 would be if you needed to use the heroes right at the beginning of an upgrade. It eventually reduces as time ticks off the upgrade mark. With 2 days left, it would go down to around 80-90 per use, etc.

I had a more detailed and concise analysis of this idea, somewhere out here in the forum history...


But the end of the day, if they ever allow heroes for use on offense during war, it won't be free - either literally free or such a low gem amount that you can do it regularly from the free gems you receive from obstacles.

I like the idea of pausing the Hero upgrade for War!

However, I don't think it should cost anything. Delaying the upgrade by pausing it, is probably enough disadvantage... And the pause is limited in time, 10 minutes for example. That's enough to complete an attack in War...

After the pause, there should be a substantial cooldown period as well. An increasing cooldown, in fact: 12 hrs after the first pause, 16 hrs after the second, 20 hrs after the third... and so on! Gemming the cooldown would be an option, at the price of 10 gems/hr.

Could you agree?

You can't pause a cannon upgrade for a one time defense, so why should you be able to pause a hero upgrade?

Because the Hero is offense, not defense.

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Originally Posted by Freyrix

Because the Hero is offense, not defense.

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You can't use the barracks/spell factory when they are upgrading, though. they are offense.

I still think 50 gems is right price. There is actually very small % of players who gem 100s or up to 999 gems hero uprage time. I would say 1-2% use large amounts of gems to hero upgrades.

Then if its low enaugh price to get heroes usable, almost everyone start use that feature as a default. And thats what it should be. So we get again more active people and large wars and SC make profit.

You can say, 50 gems come from obtacles, but it comes anyway. So gem use increase by 50-100 gems per week, but not free gem production. Think about it...

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Originally Posted by TheDragonClasher

You can't use the barracks/spell factory when they are upgrading, though. they are offense.

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You can't take your Barracks/Spell Factory to War either.
Heros are a Troop, not a building, and you can take Troops to war/battle when they're upgrading (in the Laboratory)!
And, not to forget, buildings (defenses and others) being upgraded are still useable in War.

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Originally Posted by Kaagelus

I still think 50 gems is right price. There is actually very small % of players who gem 100s or up to 999 gems hero uprage time. I would say 1-2% use large amounts of gems to hero upgrades.

Then if its low enaugh price to get heroes usable, almost everyone start use that feature as a default. And thats what it should be. So we get again more active people and large wars and SC make profit.

You can say, 50 gems come from obtacles, but it comes anyway. So gem use increase by 50-100 gems per week, but not free gem production. Think about it...

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Just curious.....where did you get these statistics from?

edit: fixed typo

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Originally Posted by Freyrix

You can't take your Barracks/Spell Factory to War either.
Heros are a Troop, not a building, and you can take Troops to war/battle when they're upgrading (in the Laboratory)!

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You can't take spells with you when your spell factory is upgrading.

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Originally Posted by Xav1

You can't take spells with you when your spell factory is upgrading.

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Sure you can. You just can brew any new spells...

Well that 1-2% is just a guess of course. But in our clan only one our top player gem sometimes heroes and 49 won't. Then when we do wars, we see 40 to 50 player clans doing 20-30 size wars. Main reason peple opt out is of course heroes. You rarely see someone doing war with only one hero. And still ppl heroes grow up, go figure...

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Originally Posted by Freyrix

Sure you can. You just can brew any new spells...

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Obviously that was my point.

Spells are offense, and you can't make them when your spell factory is upgrading.

Barracks and spell factory exambles are just funny.

You can still cook troops, when some of your barracks is upgrading. I don't think its very common to upgrade every barracks same time :D

Then spell factory. You upgrade it once per half year or something like that. Compare that to hero upgrade times. And still both are needed for good cw attacks.

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Originally Posted by Kaagelus

Well that 1-2% is just a guess of course. But in our clan only one our top player gem sometimes heroes and 49 won't. Then when we do wars, we see 40 to 50 player clans doing 20-30 size wars. Main reason peple opt out is of course heroes. You rarely see someone doing war with only one hero. And still ppl heroes grow up, go figure...

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Exactly, you have no information as to how many people gem their heroes complete. Neither do I, but I'm betting the percentages are a lot higher than you would think.

If Supercell makes a large profit by gemming heroes finished, then why would they implement a feature that is going to cut into their profit? It wouldn't make sense from a business stand point.

If supercell did implement a feature that allowed you to pause your heroes, they would do so in a way that would not cause them to lose profits.

Thats because we see situation different. I see my idea would rise SC income, as income would't come just from rare whales. Another point is to make game more fun. As now th10's doing heroes just slow down and play less, mainly because they wait for heroes.

I personally would start use more gems if my idea would get done. I would havemore to do, so i would use boosts sometimes etc. I used maybe 100€ worth gems up to th9, but haven't bought any after th10, because things happen so slowly. I don't have use for gems...

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Originally Posted by Kaagelus

You can say, 50 gems come from obtacles, but it comes anyway. So gem use increase by 50-100 gems per week, but not free gem production. Think about it...

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While I'm sure they keep track of gem usages, that's probably not the numbers they go by when they are calculating their P&L statement.

You're not understanding what a compromise is. It is not a compromise to go from Heroes costs 1000 to gem for immediate use, which if done more than once insures that the player will have to buy gems regularly, to 50 gems which essentially means you can do it 100% free.

Again, the solution is out there, but free is not it.

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Originally Posted by Kaagelus

Thats because we see situation different. I see my idea would rise SC income, as income would't come just fro rare whales. Another point is to make game more fun. As now th10's doing heroes just slow down and play less, mainly because they wait for heroes.

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My point is you have no idea how much money Supercell makes off of people gemming heroes, so you are only speculating as to saying it would increase their profits by implementing your idea. You are basing your idea on the believe that gemming heroes is only done by "rare whales" not off of actual numbers or percentages.

@Axion XD

We also see things different.
As now, SC gets 0 gem usage from our clan (maybe one doing 250 gems for last day)
If my idea implemented. Lets say 40 do that 50 gem pause thing weekly. Thats 2000 gems used.

Then i wouldn't stop here. Pausing could be done whenever you want and pause stays till you hit continue upgrade button.
Lets say i got good 2 hours time free and one hero is upgrading. I start farming and wake up hero (50gems). Then i boost barracks (60 gems), then i boost heroes (20 gems).
There is lot higher possibility i do these boosts, if i get both heroes with me to that session.