Pros and Cons of Enabling 2 Player Challenge Attacks

There are many instances where it would be nice to be able to challenge another player to a Clash of Clans duel, where each player gets to attack the other's base. I can think of times within a clan where this would be fun, it would certainly lead to interesting dynamics on global, and even challenging players in other clans could be interesting. People within the same clan could of course see each others traps, and people in different clans would not, but that's workable.

I'm envisioning a setup where both players opt in and have a very limited time to attack each other (maybe 1 or 2 hours). COC could either attempt to define what "winning" means, or just leave it to the two players doing the challenge to determine whether % destruction, loot taken, or something else defines the winner.

The primary downside I can see to this feature, would be people gaming it to effectively use it as a backdoor to transfer resources from one account to another, something that Supercell has wisely outlawed.

Any ideas on whether this feature would be desirable, and if so, how to manage the unintended consequences of it?

fuuhgeddaboutit! it will be exploited ina new york minute hence ...it doesn't exist and never will.

I would love to spar with clanmates but no loot or trophies....just bragging rights.

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Originally Posted by Skizzity

I would love to spar with clanmates but no loot or trophies....just bragging rights.

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It would be fun, but people would use it mainly for war practice. One player copies an enemy base, fellow clan member gets to practice. In the event that the target base has already been attempted, trap, Tesla, and castle contents could all be duplicated.

Yes, but with the following modifications:

• Opponent chosen by matchmaking system using a search mechanism similar to wars
• Bonus resources awarded by wining. Village loot is not exposed, just like in wars).

The fear of exploiting this feature is valid, so how about the following system:

-Add a "Challenge" button on every player's profile
-If a player gets challenged, they have 5 min to reply (this means both players have to be planning to challenge each other in real time, either inside their clan, on global, or in the real world)
-Entering a challenge costs each player 25,000 gold
-Both players have 90 minutes to attack each other's bases
-The player with the highest % destruction gets their 25,000 gold and the cost of their troops/spells refunded to them
-The loser is out the 25,000 gold challenge fee, and the cost of their troops/spells

This way there is no way to use this to transfer loot from one player to another.

Also, regarding the concern about practicing for war attacks. If there is a resource cost and a potential cost for the troops/spells, and you would have to have a friend with exactly the same defenses/walls/heroes as the base you are practicing for, and you would need to correctly guess where the traps are placed; then is this really a significant risk? I'm sure it would occasionally happen, but it would be an expensive (time & resources), complicated, and potentially inaccurate way to try to game the system.

Your thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Yoyobuae

Yes, but with the following modifications:

• Opponent chosen by matchmaking system using a search mechanism similar to wars
• Bonus resources awarded by wining. Village loot is not exposed, just like in wars).

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Not a bad start. I have a few ideas to add.
-no live replay, cannot see results until after match time expires or both parties attack. Otherwise, players would just wait to see what the other did and then just try to 1-up them. 2nd attacker could win with a barch for 50% when the first attacker got a 49% TH kill with a full war army.
-wager system or winner take all. With no skin in the game, it would be common for people to barch for 50 and assume they will lose while getting easy gold/DE. Similar to war farming clans.

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Originally Posted by PROFIT

Not a bad start. I have a few ideas to add.
-no live replay, cannot see results until after match time expires or both parties attack. Otherwise, players would just wait to see what the other did and then just try to 1-up them. 2nd attacker could win with a barch for 50% when the first attacker got a 49% TH kill with a full war army.
-wager system or winner take all. With no skin in the game, it would be common for people to barch for 50 and assume they will lose while getting easy gold/DE. Similar to war farming clans.

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I like the no live replay addition to the concept. You wouldn't want to be able to know what the other player had done until its all over.

I'm not sure about using a similar matchmaking system to clan wars though. I was really trying to come up with a way to deliberately be able to challenge a specific player. Even if it costs resources and there is no loot upside, I can see people wanting to challenge each other.

We would use this inside our clan a lot, and it would get used frequently on global with people searching for a challenge. I can see the posts now:

"My base is better than yours... no its not... yes it is... alright then I challenge you to a duel!"
"TH9.5 looking for a challenge against a TH10 with max heroes"
"Gowipe vs Gowiwi TH9 anyone interested?"

Could have both.

What to do about defensive clan castles? Spectators in war cannot donate, so would that same mechanic apply? If you can just get donations from anyone, you would see a lot of low level bases with max troops in defensive castles.

Troll bases would be exceptionally fun. Base looks incredibly rushed... But then well-spread and defended max Teslas pop out, ha. I have a TH8.5 that has really low defensive everything except his L7 teslas. Usually burns up a drag attack or 2 per war before somebody finally GOWIPEs him. He would look like an easy drag attack to lots of random who don't get the benefit of seeing somebody else fail first.

Hm... we should move this to IFR.. but YES! I like it! This could even open the door to more achievements (Duel stars gained, Duel loot gained) and another stat for SC to keep track of. Make them cough up some dough to store more data!

Seriously though, I like this idea. I hear so much smack talk.. could have people put their money where their mouth is.

I can't see it happening for several reasons but it would be cool for sure.

Love the idea, would really implement new features and possibly achievements....

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Originally Posted by Argat

Hm... we should move this to IFR.. but YES! I like it! This could even open the door to more achievements (Duel stars gained, Duel loot gained) and another stat for SC to keep track of. Make them cough up some dough to store more data!

Seriously though, I like this idea. I hear so much smack talk.. could have people put their money where their mouth is.

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I like the idea of creating achievements around this. Great addition!

I'm at a point where I'm mostly maxed on TH10 and progress is slowing significantly. This seemed like a way to create a lot of new opportunities for different ways of playing the game. The ideas another poster had about creating bases especially to troll two player challenges was awesome and would definitely happen if this was ever implemented.

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Originally Posted by facescraper

I can't see it happening for several reasons but it would be cool for sure.

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Just out of curiosity, what are the reasons? I can see the potential for abuse if loot could transfer from one player to another, but if loot is neutral or a net loss, then only Supercell comes out ahead.

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Originally Posted by SirK

Just out of curiosity, what are the reasons? I can see the potential for abuse if loot could transfer from one player to another, but if loot is neutral or a net loss, then only Supercell comes out ahead.

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I'd love for it to be an option.

I have a max defense TH10 (L9/10 walls, L30+33 heroes) and I've lost count of the number of godawful TH9s with terrible troops who tell me they can three star me...

Let me just set up my war enemies base so a clan mate can challenge me for a practice hit.

Would only work it if was randomly matched. If that was the case you may aswell go attack in multiplayer.

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Originally Posted by PhilISuppose

I'd love for it to be an option.

I have a max defense TH10 (L9/10 walls, L30+33 heroes) and I've lost count of the number of godawful TH9s with terrible troops who tell me they can three star me...

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THIS! So much this!

I actually think the whole dynamic of global would change if this feature were implemented.

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Originally Posted by SirK

Just out of curiosity, what are the reasons? I can see the potential for abuse if loot could transfer from one player to another, but if loot is neutral or a net loss, then only Supercell comes out ahead.

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You could easily have a friend set up there base like your war opponents base and take as many tries at it as you want

I love the concept of being able to prove your skills in everyday CoC in a manner like this. I think it would be more interesting to have the system provide random amounts of buildings/towers/walls and having a "prep time" where each player involved in the challenge builds their base custom each time. SC could employ a system so that each player is given an overall equal defensive weighting but we would be challenged to most effectively utilize what were working with, instead of simply having people use their existing bases. This way it would allow ALL players to challenge each other regardless of TH level and upgrade levels.

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Originally Posted by bigzac

I love the concept of being able to prove your skills in everyday CoC in a manner like this. I think it would be more interesting to have the system provide random amounts of buildings/towers/walls and having a "prep time" where each player involved in the challenge builds their base custom each time. SC could employ a system so that each player is given an overall equal defensive weighting but we would be challenged to most effectively utilize what were working with, instead of simply having people use their existing bases. This way it would allow ALL players to challenge each other regardless of TH level and upgrade levels.

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Bigzac, interesting idea to have people make a base on the spot. Maybe average the defenses that each player has and offer the same array to both (would probably have to do this on offense troops also)

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Originally Posted by Monkeyhole

You could easily have a friend set up there base like your war opponents base and take as many tries at it as you want

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Yes but there are ways to get rid of this issue, like:

1) No 1-on-1 challenges while you are in an active war (or have war attacks left)
2) Only 1 challenge every 12 hours (limit the amount of practice attacks)

I still think that it would be tough to make this truly useful for simulating a war attack because one of your classmates would have to have exactly the same levels of defenses and heroes as the base being simulated, and they would need to guess right on trap placement.

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Originally Posted by SirK

The fear of exploiting this feature is valid, so how about the following system:

-Add a "Challenge" button on every player's profile
-If a player gets challenged, they have 5 min to reply (this means both players have to be planning to challenge each other in real time, either inside their clan, on global, or in the real world)
-Entering a challenge costs each player 25,000 gold
-Both players have 90 minutes to attack each other's bases
-The player with the highest % destruction gets their 25,000 gold and the cost of their troops/spells refunded to them
-The loser is out the 25,000 gold challenge fee, and the cost of their troops/spells

This way there is no way to use this to transfer loot from one player to another.

Also, regarding the concern about practicing for war attacks. If there is a resource cost and a potential cost for the troops/spells, and you would have to have a friend with exactly the same defenses/walls/heroes as the base you are practicing for, and you would need to correctly guess where the traps are placed; then is this really a significant risk? I'm sure it would occasionally happen, but it would be an expensive (time & resources), complicated, and potentially inaccurate way to try to game the system.

Your thoughts?

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you realize in top tier war clans doing an attack can take HOURS, you can skitch an attack, then skitch another one then another one then another one and then discuss said skitches. actually setting up being able to practice against an enemy base actually sounds ez compared ..... get my point.
as to the not while in war. there are tons of players with multiple top tier accounts

That's all!

It can also be exploited in a way where you make the war base of the enemy you are going to attack in war and practice on it.

Make use of the three saved based layout in editor mode.

1 on 1:

1) Create three bases in Editor mode
2) Opposing player will attack those 3 bases
3) Player with the most % destruction on all 3 combined average, wins.

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Originally Posted by Awness

Make use of the three saved based layout in editor mode.

1 on 1:

1) Create three bases in Editor mode
2) Opposing player will attack those 3 bases
3) Player with the most % destruction on all 3 combined average, wins.

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This is interesting! A mini clan war with only 2 players. Not what I was originally thinking of when I posted this, but a great addition to the idea.

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Originally Posted by PROFIT

It would be fun, but people would use it mainly for war practice. One player copies an enemy base, fellow clan member gets to practice. In the event that the target base has already been attempted, trap, Tesla, and castle contents could all be duplicated.

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Peoples who have this much of time are already doing this by using Bunnies ( in more time efficient way ). So it won't matter.

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Originally Posted by SirK

The fear of exploiting this feature is valid, so how about the following system:

-Add a "Challenge" button on every player's profile
-If a player gets challenged, they have 5 min to reply (this means both players have to be planning to challenge each other in real time, either inside their clan, on global, or in the real world)
-Entering a challenge costs each player 25,000 gold
-Both players have 90 minutes to attack each other's bases
-The player with the highest % destruction gets their 25,000 gold and the cost of their troops/spells refunded to them
-The loser is out the 25,000 gold challenge fee, and the cost of their troops/spells

This way there is no way to use this to transfer loot from one player to another.

Also, regarding the concern about practicing for war attacks. If there is a resource cost and a potential cost for the troops/spells, and you would have to have a friend with exactly the same defenses/walls/heroes as the base you are practicing for, and you would need to correctly guess where the traps are placed; then is this really a significant risk? I'm sure it would occasionally happen, but it would be an expensive (time & resources), complicated, and potentially inaccurate way to try to game the system.

Your thoughts?

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i like your propositions, i would like to add

-you can only challenge a clan mate

dont care about the loot at all, this feuture would definetly help people built strong bases thought(still havent decided if its good or bad :) )