There's only one thing that really bothers me about this game

And it's the fact that players seem to get a lot of one type of supply, but none of another type of supply that goes with it.

For example, I have tons of marker stakes and land deeds, but I have barely any mallets. It's the same with barn and silo supplies - I always have plenty of two of the supplies needed to upgrade, but never have any of the third.

I've seen other people say the same thing so it's clear that the game is intentionally designed this way. But why? Why is there a 3rd item that always alludes us? Has Supercell every addressed this concern with a reason?

I think it's to encourage us to interact with other players.

You can play alone, but it's much harder. And neighborhoods, etc. are clearly encouraging the social aspects.

Not to mention the social media elements, like GC, Facebook, and Google +.

Hi HillValley:),

The post written by Kolonistje1, in this thread from last year, has a perfect answer to your question.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...+dropped+items

Probably not what you wanted to see, but I personally, enjoy the challenge and am glad SC designed the game this way.
For me, at first glance, it's rather annoying, but it actually adds more fun to the gameplay as you learn how to deal with this issue.

I hope you find the fun hidden in the challenge. Wishing you Happy Farming:thumbsup::D

P.S. Janilee posted at the same time. :D Good answer!

Admittedly the lack of one necessary item is a designed feature of the game & can provide quite the challenge to overcome, yet it can also be seen as one factor that has encouraged bot activity. If there was not such a disparate gap in items, then the financial impetus for bots to produce the needed items to supply the gap would be far less IMO.

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Originally Posted by LadyJEM5

Admittedly the lack of one necessary item is a designed feature of the game & can provide quite the challenge to overcome, yet it can also be seen as one factor that has encouraged bot activity. If there was not such a disparate gap in items, then the financial impetus for bots to produce the needed items to supply the gap would be far less IMO.

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Excellent point, LadyJEM5!:caticon:

It's unfortunate that people choose to patronize bots or use automated software to get around this challenge.
I don't think SC ever saw that coming as a response to the uneven EM drop distribution.

I don't quite understand the need for c h e a ting, personally, because it just presents a fun puzzle to solve, for me.

Sparkly's comment about not having Wheating be an avenue for drops is painful, but worthy of consideration.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...=1#post5439490


I don't wheat very much, I appreciate the drops when I do, but I have plenty of EMs and just expanded my barn and silo to embarrassingly (and wonderfully) large proportions.

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Originally Posted by rbcrewser

LadyJEMS,

I am not sure I agree with that. If there was only one item that people in common never saw, then yes that would have sprouted the cottage industry of bot farms. But there are definite differences.

Personally I get flooded with bolts, nails and screws. Another member of my neighborhood gets panels. Yet another gets inundated with tape. It works out well so we all interact and simply pass off our excess to each other.

The only reason imho bots sprouted up is simple greed by those running them and the desire by some to have instant gratification instead of playing the game as designed.

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I'm certainly in no position to argue with your observation RB, as my view is solely based upon my opinion. In my NH of 12, we have 1 of those who gets the rare items the rest of us are desperate for. I'm pleased your NH has a more equitable distribution, but if my NH is more respresentative of the norm than yours, then hopefully you can see that it's not just greed which is the impetus, but the market need for those materials as well.

I'm not possessed of the knowledge to determine why anyone here on the forum might choose a less than ethical route if they may have, & certainly not for those who aren't represented by a forum presence. Perhaps that absence may be a factor which compels some persons outside this tiny world to engage in illicit activities. They may not have availed themselves to the knowledge that a legitimate way does exist. Though I've done very little poking about regarding the matter, I would imagine a quick internet search would return numerous ways to circumvent the system, & appear quite legitimate on the surface.

I do wholeheartedly agree with your instant gratification point, & yet, can't the same be achieved via spending diamonds in game rather than real world cash through the patronization of bot services? At least with in game currency, there's the assurance that monies spent are going to the most legitimate source it could possibly go to.

At any rate, it is an issue which I hope garners attention from SC as they continue in their efforts to provide a fair game for all those who choose to play fairly.

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Originally Posted by rbcrewser

Absolutely people could receive what they want in-game, but it becomes I would assume a question of cost. Buying expansion materials in game is almost as expensive as buying vouchers.

A while back Haystacker posted a screenshot of a spam he had received detailing the cost of the materials someone had for sale. It was far cheaper than how much it would cost to buy in-game diamonds.

Let me hasten to clarify I absolutely don't agree with that being a reason. Supercell deserves to be the sole recipient of revenue from a game they created, bear the expense for and maintain.

Yet, maybe the cost in-game is simply too high and their greed also spurred this on combined with the land expansion requiring more barn space. Or the upping of the town building levels again needing so much more space.

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I remember that post from Haystacker, & I quite agree that illegally undercutting SC's prices is a inducement to those who are knowingly & willingly ready to entertain illicit activity already. For those who know no better however, perhaps it would serve SC's best interests if they investigated the worthiness & costs of implementing a marketing campaign of client information & education which would better inform users of the hazards of engaging in or with illegal providers of such goods or services rather than just an unannounced sweep which has generated such chaos, havoc, & distrust. Case in point, each day last week prior to the update, each time I opened HD, the chat notification had a red alert notice touting the issuance of another fresh sneak peek. If the mechanism to inform every gamer of a new peek is in place, surely they could take advantage of the same to inform every one of an issue of a far more serious nature.

Yes, the game seems designed like that. In my multinational nh, I am the only one who never gets mallets while the other 20 players get gobs of mallets. I get 4 dozen deeds and 4 mallets and a dozen stakes. Just how it is. So, we pooled our LEM when new land opened up. It really helped I got gobs of deeds and noons else did.

I don't mind the inequalities, in fact I think it's clever, and I enjoy trying to balance my collection. A Time & Resource Management Game should prompt me to manage time and resources or what's the point of playing it?

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Originally Posted by rbcrewser

The only reason imho bots sprouted up is simple greed by those running them and the desire by some to have instant gratification instead of playing the game as designed.

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Right on the button.

You only have a problem with ONE item?! Count yourself lucky. I had an extra 40 deeds compared to my mallets and stakes!

My Silo? I get an enormous amount of nails… Im already 10 over and i had already sold 20 extra! (41 nails/29screws/33 panels) My Barn? Thankfully that's a bit better, but i usually have a tun of extra planks. (12 duct tape/20 planks/15bolts)


Thankfully i have a very nice hood that helps me, and i also do trading on the forums and have met and kept some very wonderful friends for present and future trades!

Oh, I remember the days of needing so few ems that 20 seemed like gobs of planks. Now I need 91 of each BEM and that uneven drop rate is likewise magnified. My tapes stand at 40 less than my bolts and planks at the moment. I truly wish SC would implement Perky's idea for increasing the number of spaces per upgrade. I can only think with horror of what numbers those with bigger barns than mine need.

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Originally Posted by AsYouWish

Hi HillValley:),

The post written by Kolonistje1, in this thread from last year, has a perfect answer to your question.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...+dropped+items

Probably not what you wanted to see, but I personally, enjoy the challenge and am glad SC designed the game this way.
For me, at first glance, it's rather annoying, but it actually adds more fun to the gameplay as you learn how to deal with this issue.

I hope you find the fun hidden in the challenge. Wishing you Happy Farming:thumbsup::D

P.S. Janilee posted at the same time. :D Good answer!

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Love your answer. This is a great way to look at it- it is annoying at first, but it does provide a challenge. Like the feeling you get when you find a farm selling EM's, trading on the forum and talking to new people, making friendships with hoodies by helping each other. I love having the products my fellow friends need and helping them, especially "younger" farms, because now that I am in a good place in the game ("Hay Day rich") I use it to help others. Why is this game so addicting? Lol.

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Originally Posted by rbcrewser

LadyJEMS,

I am not sure I agree with that. If there was only one item that people in common never saw, then yes that would have sprouted the cottage industry of bot farms. But there are definite differences.

Personally I get flooded with bolts, nails and screws. Another member of my neighborhood gets panels. Yet another gets inundated with tape. It works out well so we all interact and simply pass off our excess to each other.

The only reason imho bots sprouted up is simple greed by those running them and the desire by some to have instant gratification instead of playing the game as designed.

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Another very good point! This is such a good thread. Many good and different point of views and opinions. If we work like the game was intended-and it is a game that does take time-machines take 3 days to build if you don't rush with diamonds, if you just take the time to work with neighbors, add more friends, trade, shop in the DD, build different strategies- you begin to thrive. If we all got all the tools we needed, there would be no challenge to the game, it wouldn't keep it fresh. You have to be constantly producing and/or buying to excel, upgrade and level up.

I love signing on and working on my farm, Chatting with my neighbors, helping my friends. It's relaxing for me.

I read on the forums that one way to mitigate this is to sell off your excess items so that they all remain fairly equal to each other. For example, if you have 15 bolts, 10 planks, and 16 tapes, sell off 5 bolts and 6 tapes so that the amounts are even with the planks. Then you'll get more planks. So far I have found this to be true. I've also found that in the case of the LEMs, you need to keep the maps even with the stakes, deeds, and mallets. HTH!

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Originally Posted by Salimyter

Until you have the barn space to be a hoarder I don't think you realize how much of that "excess" you're selling off. After my last barn upgrade my count was something like 129/14/0. In order to keep those numbers balanced I would have had to sell off 129 of one of my BEMs. And that's not even a record for me. One time I had enough spare that had I traded them I could have immediately gotten a second upgrade.

I haven't found that getting rid of the excess changes the drop rate. Instead I found myself selling off a stack of one EM for every of another type I got. I think people think it works because if you're not paying attention you don't realize how much you're getting rid of.

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I don't know if it changes the drop rate, I suspect it doesn't really, and its more like you suggest..... but for me selling off the excess and keeping balanced just makes sense....after all, what good are 50 or 100 tapes to me without the matching bolts and planks? All they do is take up barn space I could be using. I choose to balance to within 5, unless of course I get very lucky and find some of my RARE bem/sem item, in the dd....at which point I will buy it....because the other 2 will catch up soon enough and ill be back in balance :-)