AI rant

Alright Supercell, this is a going to be a little long winded, and I'm annoyed so it might not come out right but here goes.
I have dumped ALOT of money into this game especially at TH9 boosting and gemming u/g time on my royals. I now sit at 22/30 with 250 lavas. I am a clan wars player and have always attempted the 3* strategies.
I feel as though at high levels, TH9 and TH10, this game is broken.
Its gotten to the point where a precision attack has become anything but, things that didn't need "fixing" with AI, have made the game nearly impossible to predict:

1. Wall breaker AI sometimes works flawlessly, oftentimes they do something absolutely ridiculous negating a high level attack right from the get go. The AI used to be sketchy, but more predictable than this.
2. Golems have become unpredictable with redirecting, oftentimes they simply go on a walk around a wall with an open compartment next to them with a defence in it. It's become a nightmare.
3. Hogs used to turn on defending troops after the last defence went down, this is no longer the case and oftentimes will simply move to the next closest building while they are being hit on by the king and the skeleton's. I've seen this episode ruin many perfectly good hog raids over the last few months. They literally just stand there hitting a storage and will not for any reason turn around and attack the skeleton's. It didn't used to be this way, why did this happen? I've watched packs of 15+ hogs get chewed to pieces like this, again and again and again every single war.
4. The queen, your "problem child," is better in some ways, in others again it's gotten ridiculous. She now completely avoids jump spells like the plague, which didn't need to be "fixed." She still shoots at walls, albeit not as often, but it's much more unpredictable as to when it's going to happen. Today in my attack, she shot a builder hut literally one square away from a nearly dead defending dragon, turned away and started shooting another building. The dragon with a sliver left, nuked my golem. What has improved about her agro? The royals used to get agro' the second a golem in their range got shot or smacked. 6 months ago she'd have torn that dragon to shreds.
5. The building hit points did not need adjusting last update, it was hard enough already, now dropping a loon on an uncovered A/T no longer works. This has negated an age honoured skill of picking apart a poorly constructed base. You also added defences in the form of air sweepers and did not increase my camp space, thanks for that.
6. Troop agro: it's not better.
7. TH10 has gotten over the top, out of control defensively overpowered with the u/g cannons and a/t's and now new walls. When does this end? The gap between TH9 isn't a defence upgrade and a couple infernos anymore, a maxed out th10 is basically TH11.... They literally build giant boxes to put all their buildings in and it works just fine, base design at the highest level has become the creative masterpiece of a box. How do you three star one of these with the unpredictable/underpowered nature of the troops? A giant box with stuff in it, literally, and it works, wow. As a TH9 I can't even 2 star it.
8. With all the added variables like sweepers, skeleton traps, new spells, I don't doubt you're spending quite a bit of time and money trying to rebalance and make changes to fix AI, but you need to stop adding new variables or it's just going to become more unpredictable.


In conclusion: I'm not spending anymore money on this game as a result of the AI. I feel as though the bunny problem was indirectly created by supercell by making TH10 defensively overpowered, the AI unpredictable, and too many variables with agro/traps. I feel as though the robot problem has been indirectly created by supercell due to the amount of nexting that's required at the TH9+ level to find a dead base ->which are taken out of circulation by supercell. The company literally controls how much of your life you spend pressing the next button, thanks for that. It's not random at all.
If I sat down and had a good brainstorming session I could probably come up with quite a few other instances where the nature of the AI is unpredictable, sadly, it's not worth my time or my money anymore.
I no longer blame people for using robots or bunnies, I do resent them but I understand, it's pretty sad when this little phone game has had to resort to such measures due to its broken nature.
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I agree that the so called AI in this game is horrendous.

The saddest part is, it's working as intended...:facepalm:

I agree with most of what you have said.

The sad part is, you really can't be a decent casual player at high levels anymore. It take to much time to plan out a good attack that has a shot at 3 staring.

I love this game, but it's a game and some of the changes are taking the fun out of it and making it seem like to much work these days.

I know there are a few exceptions but I haven't had any of the problems you are talking about (though I don't use hogs, just watch clanmates attacks) with the slight exception that wbs do do some funny things at times. The Queen is for the most part flawless (I use queen healer and have really gotten to understand her AI and she attacks the closest building not necessarily where you put a jump spell).

Have you gone back and watched replays of your attacks? Had other watch the replays? I find it's generally a error on the attacker and not the AI.

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Originally Posted by tellingthetruth

I agree that the so called AI in this game is horrendous.

The saddest part is, it's working as intended...:facepalm:

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It's actually not, the "simple" AI, is anything but. It's the subtle nuances that have become so unpredictable that make this game broken, and more often then not it's been a change for the worse. I do not consider myself a casual player, nor a hardcore elitist from clash heads or Onehive, I feel I'm somewhere in between. I can do a queen walk and path my hogs like its no ones business, oftentimes on the fly. Im creative with troop selection and pick bases apart with excellent scouting. I can often pick apart high quality anti 3* bases on a first attack, probably not one of Onehive's bases is all.
However, the golem, wb, queen, king and hog AI changes have been a bitter pill to swallow. The only troop that seemed unaffected by the last couple updates has been the valk, which I've been using at 50% or so success rate for some time b/c of it. Valk raids often depend on the royals though and a spell or two to back them up, and depending on your queen has been an exercise in futility due to the fact you simply don't know if she's going to agro (when she's going to agro), or if she's going to take a jump.

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Originally Posted by Camja11

I know there are a few exceptions but I haven't had any of the problems you are talking about (though I don't use hogs, just watch clanmates attacks) with the slight exception that wbs do do some funny things at times. The Queen is for the most part flawless (I use queen healer and have really gotten to understand her AI and she attacks the closest building not necessarily where you put a jump spell).

Have you gone back and watched replays of your attacks? Had other watch the replays? I find it's generally a error on the attacker and not the AI.

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I can do things with my queen that would probably make your head spin, and I can tell you that girl has never been so glitchy. If you want to come by and watch a couple of my replays you're more than welcome to.

The worst is giants. They must have changed the radius it searches for def buildings. It almost never attacks walls right in front of them. They will transverse the entire base if a defender has one DEF outside. So stupid. They used to be useful now they are nothing more then a meatshield because they stray too easily.,Second worst is wb. Especially when dealing with trapped th. If you deploy them hoping to create a path for your giants rather then head toward the gaps that are obvious trapped good luck. The WB head towards the gaps instead.

Here is a one word solution to all of life's problems:


























Funnel :smirk:

Agreed, I also like watching the king and skeletons kill off my hogs after they've done all the defences . The total seemingly randomness of where AQ and WB will go makes things fun. I've watched tons of replays practiced many different styles, cannot 3 star TH 9s with max hogs or balloons. Can't imagine the struggle using them on good TH 10s. That being said there's much better players than me out there. Combine that with the weird war matching, not near as fun as it once was. I'm sure the "quit the game" and "funnelling " comments will follow lol

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Originally Posted by Echo006

Here is a one word solution to all of life's problems:

Funnel :smirk:

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Given your sig newb, you aren't tall enough to participate in the conversation, and the fact that you parade around such low level exploits probably means you're a self absorbed troll needing attention. Your sig isn't something to be proud of yet, at this time you are a low level TH9, my food. Prob 15/15 with max defences ish I'll guess at best. You're the one who has no idea what a funnel is. If you would ever care to have a tutorial on how a funnel is made, maybe I'll let you watch one of my replays on YouTube. If you ever saw my base across from the war map, you would cry and be worried about the hit that was coming, and probably cry for attention in the war forum about the unfair war match ups.
I feel it's time you sat back down at the kiddie table.

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it actually says 12/11 in your sig hahahahhahahahahha