Solution to fix messing with clan war system(having advantage over others)

How many times did you get matched with clans playing with clan war system?

Th8.5, TH9.5 or defenseless rushing to TH10 for extra offense. This is giving people advantage in wars and clans to do the same while many members are not comfortable with it.

Here is a simple solution that can be enhanced by your suggestions and ideas. The solution is to make a base weight for each townhall level. Meaning if you rush to townhall 10 you will never have a weight less than th9. So lets say the base weight is like this:

Townhall	Base Weight	Max Weight
1	1000	1500
2	2000	4000
3	3000	7500
4	4000	12000
5	5000	17500
6	6000	24000
7	7000	31500
8	8000	40000
9	9000	49500
10	10000	60000
Total	55000	60000

So whether you build defenses or not your weight will still increase by the base weight. This will encourage clashers to build defenses and upgrade them properly rather than trying to C h e a t the system and have advantage over others. Still the numbers are an example and we can come up with better numbers that might represent defensive upgrades more. Looking for constructive comments please not the like/dislike ones. Thanks for reading through this :)

Some people engineer bases to try and tilt the system, but this is not the way to fix that.


You also have a lot of kids who play this game, and rushers in general who are not engineering bases. They may have rushed to get their Queen, or just like the look of TH9 and 10, but they may only have 180 or 200 army camp spots, level 3-5 troops, low level dark and high troops, no infernos, level 1 xbows, etc.

The system you're proposing screws people like that (who are already screwed enough, really), along with the rest of their clan for playing the game how they want to play it.


The war matching could use a little tweaking, and they've already messed with it at least once that we know of, giving greater weight to walls and heroes. Defense is still probably weighted too heavily compared to offense though, which is what has actually led to these engineered bases, and I believe that can be tweaked without doing anything as drastic as what you're suggesting.

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On a personal note, when I first got to TH9 I did what I would consider the ideal thing for multiplayer...within 24 hours I had every new defense built or building (including both xbows), the new drill being built (this was when the 2nd drill came at TH9), and spell factory upgrading. It helped me in 1 war because of the way newly purchased buildings appear complete even if they are still building, but it screwed me and my clan for a while after that until I got my army camps and bark barracks done, and upgraded golems, loons, and witches. Needless to say if I had to do it again I may have waited a bit to build the xbows, and when I go to TH10 I may try to at least get my spell factory, camps, and cc done before building infernos, not because I really want to, but because the game is pushing good players that direction. It's not that I'm trying to c h e a t the system...everyone can choose how they upgrade, but you have to work within the system. Everyone can attempt to give themselves temporary advantages by playing toward how they think the system works, or at least try to avoid being at a disadvantage, and there's really nothing wrong with that (nor will it stop if you tweak it, though it may give less of an advantage).

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Originally Posted by awesomness2016

Some people engineer bases to try and tilt the system, but this is not the way to fix that.


You also have a lot of kids who play this game, and rushers in general who are not engineering bases. They may have rushed to get their Queen, or just like the look of TH9 and 10, but they may only have 180 or 200 army camp spots, level 3-5 troops, low level dark and high troops, no infernos, level 1 xbows, etc.

The system you're proposing screws people like that (who are already screwed enough, really), along with the rest of their clan for playing the game how they want to play it.

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Honestly people you are talking about are already losing wars doing this change won't affect them negatively. It might get them to change their play style and search for better ways to develop their base.

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The war matching could use a little tweaking, and they've already messed with it at least once that we know of, giving greater weight to walls and heroes. Defense is still probably weighted too heavily compared to offense though, which is what has actually led to these engineered bases, and I believe that can be tweaked without doing anything as drastic as what you're suggesting.

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When loot penalty was added it affected a lot of people but along the way people learned they will suffer penalty if they rush. Now more people tend to upgrade bases properly and rush less unless planned and well thought. Making such a big change will make people change before rushing and if they still want to rush then they will suffer the penalty

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On a personal note, when I first got to TH9 I did what I would consider the ideal thing for multiplayer...within 24 hours I had every new defense built or building (including both xbows), the new drill being built (this was when the 2nd drill came at TH9), and spell factory upgrading. It helped me in 1 war because of the way newly purchased buildings appear complete even if they are still building, but it screwed me and my clan for a while after that until I got my army camps and bark barracks done, and upgraded golems, loons, and witches. Needless to say if I had to do it again I may have waited a bit to build the xbows, and when I go to TH10 I may try to at least get my spell factory, camps, and cc done before building infernos, not because I really want to, but because the game is pushing good players that direction. It's not that I'm trying to c h e a t the system...everyone can choose how they upgrade, but you have to work within the system. Everyone can attempt to give themselves temporary advantages by playing toward how they think the system works, or at least try to avoid being at a disadvantage, and there's really nothing wrong with that (nor will it stop if you tweak it, though it may give less of an advantage).

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Again this system won't hurt any play style but will not give an advantage for them either. Adding more weight to offense will encourage defenseless bases in clan. Like 1 for each 5 reglular bases which brings the problem again.

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Originally Posted by Saleh47

Honestly people you are talking about are already losing wars doing this change won't affect them negatively. It might get them to change their play style and search for better ways to develop their base

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Yes it will...it will make it far more difficult than it already is for them to participate in war, and will likely force them to quit warring entirely while making matchups for clans without rushers that much easier when they getting pitted against clans who do have them.

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Originally Posted by Saleh47

When loot penalty was added it affected a lot of people but along the way people learned they will suffer penalty if they rush. Now more people tend to upgrade bases properly and rush less unless planned and well thought. Making such a big change will make people change before rushing and if they still want to rush then they will suffer the penalty

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The game has always made it so players with higher town halls can steal less than a player at the same level, so that was never "added". ♥♥♥ does any of this have to do with the loot penalty though?

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Originally Posted by Saleh47

Again this system won't hurt any play style but will not give an advantage for them either. Adding more weight to offense will encourage defenseless bases in clan. Like 1 for each 5 reglular bases which brings the problem again.

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Except we already determined that it will hurt rushers, probably a lot more, but you just dismissed that and basically said IDGAF about those people (because they're already at a disadvantage??)

But weighting offense more heavily actually gives clans with defenseless bases LESS of an advantage, not more, just as it gives players doing 9.5 and 8.5 less of an advantage. Of course you don't want to go too far, or you'll start seeing an advantage to having high defense with relatively low troops (though I can't imagine too many people would really want to do that). People are always going to try and game the system though, and the key to making that hard to do is having the proper balance in the weighting, not screwing a large group that already has it rough enough when this wouldn't really make wars more even anyway.

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Originally Posted by awesomness2016

Yes it will...it will make it far more difficult than it already is for them to participate in war, and will likely force them to quit warring entirely while making matchups for clans without rushers that much easier when they getting pitted against clans who do have them.




The game has always made it so players with higher town halls can steal less than a player at the same level, so that was never "added". ♥♥♥ does any of this have to do with the loot penalty though?




Except we already determined that it will hurt rushers, probably a lot more, but you just dismissed that and basically said IDGAF about those people (because they're already at a disadvantage??)

But weighting offense more heavily actually gives clans with defenseless bases LESS of an advantage, not more, just as it gives players doing 9.5 and 8.5 less of an advantage. Of course you don't want to go too far, or you'll start seeing an advantage to having high defense with relatively low troops (though I can't imagine too many people would really want to do that). People are always going to try and game the system though, and the key to making that hard to do is having the proper balance in the weighting, not screwing a large group that already has it rough enough when this wouldn't really make wars more even anyway.

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hy was the loot penalty put? To protect lower townhalls from higher lvl townhalls in terms of offense. Adding penalty in war in the same manner will again protect people progressing in the game in a normal way from people taking advantage from the current system to look like a th8 or 9 while they are th10.

No one will be forced to change play style. You could still go 8.5/9 5 or even defenseless but you will be checked first for your townhall level then offense/defense.

This don't need to be implemented all at once but mostly gradually to give a chance for people to change if they want to change. At my clan we are using 8.5/9.5 and maybe will add defenseless bases soon as most clan are using it but once this stops everyone will get back to normal upgrade plans.

What,rushing is c h e a t i n g

The amount of players 'engineering' bases is pretty small compared to the amount of players that play clash on a daily base. I don't think this is a huge deal, really.

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Originally Posted by Stoeptegel7

The amount of players 'engineering' bases is pretty small compared to the amount of players that play clash on a daily base. I don't think this is a huge deal, really.

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I agree. And engineering takes some effort. Opportunity is available for all, but only some are willing to grab those. Killing opportunities aint good.

Why don't you go to Finland and tell the developers your ideas? :smirk:

Sick and tired of people manipulating the system to gain an advantage in war. Not how Clash was made and you have a brilliant solution but the proper Clash Team would know how to implement this properly. They need to see this and stop TH9.5s and TH8.5s. It's just unfair now. Especially if there is a TH10.5 when TH11 comes out. That would be far too OP.

I seriously like this idea. But the implementation is difficult, as what is the loot given for instance in battle to the enemy from the base?