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September 12th, 2015
TheFirstSteven

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Originally Posted by Const

Explain why clan wars need such privileges. Why do elite 3 star mlg war community thinks they are prior to others??

Well one would be that it's probably best to have an even playing field for a meta where you only get two attacks and that's it.

You get as many attacks as you want in pushing and farming provided you can find a base.

In war its you win or you lose there are no 'retries' after those two attacks. Not like I'm pushing meta where you -20 with a bad attack and then you can go back with the next few attacks and negate your loss.

Farming is purely progression based, heroes aren't essential to farming, the goal of farming is to make loot. There are many ways of doing this. Also farming is forgiving, you miss 100k in a 200k of each raid you can just get more in the next few raids.

You can't change a result in clan wars, once you fail, you fail.
War requires you to be ON POINT for both you raids as you can't redo them that why it needs an even playing field.
September 12th, 2015
victor4a2

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Originally Posted by DrasticMethods

I don't really understand how you think it is not the money and that it is a conspiracy...I have personally spent $200 to gem my queen and king time for war, multiply that by a bunch and see how much money they would be losing out on. Obviously if it "so easy" to fix the problem according to these small developers, then it is about the money. Plus, don't you remember when they nerfed the heroes and lost all that money due to people wanting refunds for the gemmed heroes? Think of how much of an up roar will come from people who have gemmed their queen time. I know damn sure I will be getting $200 back in hero upgrade time.

2500 posts compared to the 3 million daily users is not the big of a statistic to make SC think otherwise. That is .0008% of the active users, not to mention the people that don't play everyday...

That's the exact reason i thought :thumbsup:
How would players who gemmed their hero lvls till now react if heroes made available for war
September 12th, 2015
TheFirstSteven

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Originally Posted by DrasticMethods

I don't really understand how you think it is not the money and that it is a conspiracy...I have personally spent $200 to gem my queen and king time for war, multiply that by a bunch and see how much money they would be losing out on. Obviously if it "so easy" to fix the problem according to these small developers, then it is about the money. Plus, don't you remember when they nerfed the heroes and lost all that money due to people wanting refunds for the gemmed heroes? Think of how much of an up roar will come from people who have gemmed their queen time. I know damn sure I will be getting $200 back in hero upgrade time.

2500 posts compared to the 3 million daily users is not the big of a statistic to make SC think otherwise. That is .0008% of the active users, not to mention the people that don't play everyday...

Well apparently supercell think that taking an idea from a thread not even nearly as long and as positive as masterminds quests is noteworthy. So why would they not take an idea from a thread that is long, overwhelmingly positive and noteworthy?

On a side note I'm curious to see what response we will get if we do take supercell by their word when they say it isn't about money. There latest excuse has been overturned already so I'm interested to see what the next one will be.
September 12th, 2015
Const

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Originally Posted by TheFirstSteven

Well one would be that it's probably best to have an even playing field for a meta where you only get two attacks and that's it.

You get as many attacks as you want in pushing and farming provided you can find a base.

In war its you win or you lose there are no 'retries' after those two attacks. Not like I'm pushing meta where you -20 with a bad attack and then you can go back with the next few attacks and negate your loss.

Farming is purely progression based, heroes aren't essential to farming, the goal of farming is to make loot. There are many ways of doing this. Also farming is forgiving, you miss 100k in a 200k of each raid you can just get more in the next few raids.

You can't change a result in clan wars, once you fail, you fail.
War requires you to be ON POINT for both you raids as you can't redo them that why it needs an even playing field.

Having your heroes while you are farming can make you millions of extra loot in the same time.
And sometimes not having a hero can cost you weeks of pushing.
And not winning a clan war lost you 80 clan xp. Wow totaly superior.

Why even bother. Give everyone maxed heroes at war right off the bath.
September 12th, 2015
1Charlie1

I agree with the Quests and stuff but don't really think that heroes should be in War. Just don't goto war, stay out of them.
September 12th, 2015
TheFirstSteven

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Originally Posted by Const

Having your heroes while you are farming can make you millions of extra loot in the same time.
And sometimes not having a hero can cost you weeks of pushing.
And not winning a clan war lost you 80 clan xp. Wow totaly superior.

Why even bother. Give everyone maxed heroes at war right off the bath.

Having heroes while farming is totally unnecessary as you can negate loss of profit in one raid with time spent later.

Having heroes while pushing isn't necessary at all to get a one star and continue moving upwards in cups.

Having heroes in war is necessary to get 3 stars in all valid attacks as there's no prize for two stars when with heroes it should've been a 3.

With pushing you upgrade a hero and you attack for one stars, it's still not a loss. In wars however if your expected to get a 3 star and you fail at two it is a loss.

If it all came down to me at the end of a very important war I'd like to know that I'm on a fair playing field with the opposition. Again you make the point that 80xp isn't important but in pushing how important are 3 stars? Three stars may accelerate your trophy gains but even if you only get a one star it's still netting you trophies.

How many times have you seen high level players getting 3 stars up at 4800 cups? They don't need both heroes to get a one star.

However in the war meta you do need both heroes to get a 3 star. You say winning wars isn't important? Say that in clan wars sub forum or in the Brutus recruitment thread and I'm sure you'll get a very different response from what you think.
September 12th, 2015
Const

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Originally Posted by TheFirstSteven

Having heroes while farming is totally unnecessary as you can negate loss of profit in one raid with time spent later.

Having heroes while pushing isn't necessary at all to get a one star and continue moving upwards in cups.

Having heroes in war is necessary to get 3 stars in all valid attacks as there's no prize for two stars when with heroes it should've been a 3.

With pushing you upgrade a hero and you attack for one stars, it's still not a loss. In wars however if your expected to get a 3 star and you fail at two it is a loss.

If it all came down to me at the end of a very important war I'd like to know that I'm on a fair playing field with the opposition. Again you make the point that 80xp isn't important but in pushing how important are 3 stars? Three stars may accelerate your trophy gains but even if you only get a one star it's still netting you trophies.

How many times have you seen high level players getting 3 stars up at 4800 cups? They don't need both heroes to get a one star.

However in the war meta you do need both heroes to get a 3 star. You say winning wars isn't important? Say that in clan wars sub forum or in the Brutus recruitment thread and I'm sure you'll get a very different response from what you think.

While pushing if you don't have your heroes you will need more time to get cups.

While farming if you don't have your heroes you will need more time to get more resources.

While warring if you don't have your heroes you will need more time to do another war and try to win that one.

All of them cost time...

Also if you don't win wars you still get clan xp and stars on your achievement...
September 12th, 2015
Kingzenith

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Originally Posted by ezPz

These dumb threads crop up once daily. How about you just read the reply of the countless other stupid threads like these instead of making one yourself. It's fairly simple.

I agree, Steven. These are two ideas that would shake things up. At least having the quest idea. Ez is the voice of criticism. No idea should ever go unscrutinized.
September 12th, 2015
Superfinch30

Look. It's about the money.

Why do people feel the need to keep asking for an honest and definitive answer, when you know it really already?

As to ideas being implemented, you have to get your head around a simple concept.

If it improves the game, AND either makes more money, or doesn't make less....then it happens.

Spell queueing and cook time cut. That helped. Everybody loves that.

Let's look at it a bit more closely though. You are high champ pushing, are willing to boost, and want to run full gowipes as quickly as possible.

Old: boost spell factory. Any 5 premium spells are going to be 57 mins.
Everything else will cook in about an hour, heroes can regen in an hour unless really high level, might have to boost 1 dark barrack for mass golems.

So that's 20 gems per 2 hours, for 1 raid p/h.

New: 5 premium spells take 37 mins boosted.
To keep up with that requires:
1 regular barrack boost, 1 dark barrack boost, both heroes.

50 gems per 2 hours. Admittedly with nearly double the attacks.

Everyone wins. Player gets more raids p/h, but might have to stump up more gems in the long run. SC gets more gems spent.

Those are the kind of additions we get.
Pure player benefit doesn't happen for the most part.
On the flip side, rarely get anything that purely makes more money without some kind of player improvement, cos that would be dumb.

It's a business. It makes money.
No business goes to the trouble of changing something that costs them money long term. That is dumb.
September 12th, 2015
TheFirstSteven

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Originally Posted by Const

While pushing if you don't have your heroes you will need more time to get cups.

While farming if you don't have your heroes you will need more time to get more resources.

While warring if you don't have your heroes you will need more time to do another war and try to win that one.

All of them cost time...

Also if you don't win wars you still get clan xp and stars on your achievement...

While I do agree that all of this cost time and that war wins may not matter at all to you, that kinda makes you biased against the community does it not?

Farming resource takes TIME

Pushing takes immense amounts of time

But if your at high level with wars and you fail then that's final. Imagine your a member in the clan Brutus, your clans ahead of all others but there's another 30xp behind yours. The entire rest of your clan has attacked it's tied up at 125 stars each, your attack is the only attack left in the war you've chosen the only th9 base left in the war because it's the easiest that's left to three star but oh ♥♥♥♥ your queens still down.
You attack anyway and get a 99% two star. If you had of had your queen it was a garunteed 3 star, but now you have let your clan down.

3 hours later that other clan ends up 50xp ahead of Brutus and they get to lvl 9 first all because you didn't have to money to gem queen time... you can't do more attacks to make it up because the result has already been decided....

War results are final... pushing and farming results aren't. War>pushing/farming in terms of difficulty and the need for a fair playing field.

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