Poison Spell Modifications - Damage Based on Troops' Total Health

I've seen quite a few complaints about the Poison Spell killing Clan Castle troop diversity. Now, most players can expect to see a Lava Hound, Dragon, or Balloon in the enemy Clan Castle. However, other people say it has increased Clan Castle troop diversity - before, all we saw was Archers and Wizards defending villages. But what if there is a way where we can make all good defensive troops reliable in the Clan Castle? After talking to Devil, I think I have an idea. :)

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1. Poison Spell to do damage based on the % of defending units' total health.
I am suggesting the Poison Spell should do damage based on the % of a defending units' total health (unlike the Earthquake Spell, which does damage based on buildings' remaining health). But, you might say: "Doesn't this just switch things around? Make high hitpoint troops useless and weak ones strong again?" That's why I have added a few extra things.
- The Poison Spell will do 3x the % of damage to troops with less than 1000 hitpoints. Meaning that while (with the NEW level 1 Poison Spell) it would take away 15% of the Lava Hound's total health, it would remove 45% of a Wizard's or Archer's.
- Just like before, the Poison Spell will do 4x less damage to heroes. Meaning that while (with the NEW level 1 Poison Spell) it would take away 15% of the Lava Hound's total health, it would remove 3.75% of a Archer Queen's or Barbarian King's.
- Cost and research time will be adjusted to make this spell more usable and not deter people away from using it.

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2. Advantages and Disadvantages.
Like any idea, there are advantages and disadvantages. This is to balance things out. However, I think there are less disadvantages than before (from both an attacking and defending point of view) which will overall make things more fun.

Advantages
- This puts the fun back in not knowing what will be in your enemy's Clan Castle.
- The spell will cause decent damage to all enemy troops, (even heroes, but not as much) instead of instant-killing only some enemy troops.
- Allows all troops that are good on defense to be used

Disadvantages
- It would take more than one spell to completely kill a troop(s), no matter what level.
- Could make more people decide to use the Lightning Spell since it can instantly kill some CC troops and cause damage to surrounding buildings as well. (However, it's more of a preference - Elixir or Dark Elixir; do attackers want to completely kill some troops or put a dent in all troops? You will also have to consider the level of the Poison Spell.)

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3. Stat changes.
After all this, stats will need to be changed of course! Here is what I'm thinking. Research cost, training time, housing space and speed decrease will be the same as before. Remember that the Poison Spell does 3x damage to troops with less than 1,000 hitpoints and 4x less damage to heroes!

Level 1
Damage: 15%
Damage to troops with less than 1000 HP: 45%
Damage to heroes: 3.75%
Training cost: 90 Dark Elixir
Research time: N/A

Level 2
Damage: 20%
Damage to troops with less than 1000 HP: 60%
Damage to heroes: 5%
Training cost: 110 Dark Elixir
Research time: 4 days

Level 3
Damage: 25%
Damage to troops with less than 1000 HP: 75%
Damage to heroes: 6.25%
Training cost: 130 Dark Elixir
Research time: 7 days

Level 4
Damage: 30%
Damage to troops with less than 1000 HP: 60%
Damage to heroes: 7.5%
Training cost: 150 Dark Elixir
Research time: 10 days

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If you like this idea, please comment and show your support. If not, please comment and tell me what you do not like about it, your feedback is greatly appreciated :)

Sure, poison against lava/drags are useless

While I still have my doubts about the idea and the changes made to the Poison Spell, I think these are the most convenient changes which the spell could suffer:thumbsup:

Yes,this idea makes absolutely 100% sense.
I'm tired of taking a poison and using it for absolutely nothing.

I absolutely agree with this. Now the old favourites (Wizards and archers) plus new ones would combine and five the best results. I actually hated the fact that The Poison Spell was just useless against a max dragon while it removed archers, wizards from existence in blink of eye. So I agree with this and the stats are also balanced. By the way, this could be moulded in another way - L1 Poison Spell causes 10% more damage on Troops having HP above 1000 and 10% low damage on Troops having HP less than 1000. This increases to 20% at L2 30% at L3 40% at L4 I think heroes damage as stated above is balanced so I won't interface with that. Thanks for your time

Wow, great idea.:thumbsup:
I hate it how I always have to request for dragons for my war clan castle just because the poison spell doesn't has a very strong impact on them. I would rather request for wizards for the war clan castle but just 1 lvl 1 posion spell is enough to take them out.

This change as it is, should be implemented in the game.

What effect does the doubler have on troops like the Valkyrie, Healer, and Giant who can be both below or above the 1,000 HP cutoff?

Alterations aren't necessary to change the poison spell.

Percentage isn't going to change diddily. What you're essentially suggesting is that it do the same amount of damage to troops like dragons, but MUCH, MUCH less damage to troops such as Witches and wiz... 20-80% HP off of a witch still leaves it up. There aren't any traps that can finish it off, it simply requires another troop to get even a single hit on it... Witches and Wizards already have low enough health on them that a single hit from the VAST Majority of troops (excluding a single Barb, Arch, or Minion). So why even bring the Poison at all? Another thing is that a lot of us Hoggers use it to kill skellies following our hogs. So what you're essentially suggesting is that the poison spell has no us in the game with an update based upon percentage. Because drop a single Poison spell no matter the level and the skellies are still following your hogs, drop a second Lv2 Poison and the lowest HP troop in the game is still following your hogs, drop 2 more on top of that, and the skellies are still following your hogs... And at TH10, Lv4 Poisons wouldn't be necessary to take out skellies since hog attacks are rare at best at TH10... But even at Max TH9 Poison Spell, it would take 2 Poison Spells to kill the (Lowest HP troop in the Game) skeletons spawned by the enemy witch or Skellie trap...

Furthermore... Dragons and Hounds in the TH10 CCs would essentially be useless... Because, for the cost of single lightning spell in spell capacity, a TH10 can kill a Hound or a Drag and anything else that is put into the CC. Because at 40% for the three spells, that gives 120% damage to kill whatever pops out of the CC.

Unfortunately, that's not going to be very fair overall... I like the Poison spell as it is, altering it would essentially erase it from existence, and dealing with the new CCs is just a stage in the game. Plus, the variability of the uses for the poison spell are greater than some may even realize. If a Dragon pops out of the CC when attacking a War base, and you brought a poison spell that doesn't end up being used, then it's no different from a tesla popping outside the base to draw your Golem away from the wall you're aiming for. It's no different from bringing a jump spell that ends p being useless. It's no different than a BB taking out all your wiz, because it was placed JUST RIGHT.
All you can do is say, the next person that attacks that base knows now... Kudos to you, base-owner, for your choices in design and CC troops...
It's simply a part of the game, and you have to expect the worst, but hope for the best.

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Originally Posted by Flamjetxx

Alterations aren't necessary to change the poison spell.

Percentage isn't going to change diddily. What you're essentially suggesting is that it do the same amount of damage to troops like dragons, but MUCH, MUCH less damage to troops such as Witches and wiz... 20-80% HP off of a witch still leaves it up. There aren't any traps that can finish it off, it simply requires another troop to get even a single hit on it... Witches and Wizards already have low enough health on them that a single hit from the VAST Majority of troops (excluding a single Barb, Arch, or Minion). So why even bring the Poison at all? Another thing is that a lot of us Hoggers use it to kill skellies following our hogs. So what you're essentially suggesting is that the poison spell has no us in the game with an update based upon percentage. Because drop a single Poison spell no matter the level and the skellies are still following your hogs, drop a second Lv2 Poison and the lowest HP troop in the game is still following your hogs, drop 2 more on top of that, and the skellies are still following your hogs... And at TH10, Lv4 Poisons wouldn't be necessary to take out skellies since hog attacks are rare at best at TH10... But even at Max TH9 Poison Spell, it would take 2 Poison Spells to kill the (Lowest HP troop in the Game) skeletons spawned by the enemy witch or Skellie trap...

Furthermore... Dragons and Hounds in the TH10 CCs would essentially be useless... Because, for the cost of single lightning spell in spell capacity, a TH10 can kill a Hound or a Drag and anything else that is put into the CC. Because at 40% for the three spells, that gives 120% damage to kill whatever pops out of the CC.

Unfortunately, that's not going to be very fair overall... I like the Poison spell as it is, altering it would essentially erase it from existence, and dealing with the new CCs is just a stage in the game. Plus, the variability of the uses for the poison spell are greater than some may even realize. If a Dragon pops out of the CC when attacking a War base, and you brought a poison spell that doesn't end up being used, then it's no different from a tesla popping outside the base to draw your Golem away from the wall you're aiming for. It's no different from bringing a jump spell that ends p being useless. It's no different than a BB taking out all your wiz, because it was placed JUST RIGHT.
All you can do is say, the next person that attacks that base knows now... Kudos to you, base-owner, for your choices in design and CC troops...
It's simply a part of the game, and you have to expect the worst, but hope for the best.

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Okay so I only read like the first few lines because that was super long :smirk:

But do you not remember the time before Poison Spell? There was nothing (except sometimes Lightning) even made to kill CC troops at all. It shouldn't be instantly killing troops just by using one, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by PvtLeeOwned

What effect does the doubler have on troops like the Valkyrie, Healer, and Giant who can be both below or above the 1,000 HP cutoff?

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When they have less than 1000 HP they will receive 2x damage and when they have over 1000 HP they will not. :)

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Originally Posted by ad316

Wow, great idea.:thumbsup:
I hate it how I always have to request for dragons for my war clan castle just because the poison spell doesn't has a very strong impact on them. I would rather request for wizards for the war clan castle but just 1 lvl 1 posion spell is enough to take them out.

This change as it is, should be implemented in the game.

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Thanks, I agree fully with what you said :)

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Originally Posted by himanshu440

Yes,this idea makes absolutely 100% sense.
I'm tired of taking a poison and using it for absolutely nothing.

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Thank you. Yeah, that's what I don't like about the Poison Spell. Instantly kills some and hardly makes a dent in others :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by sujalthelost

I absolutely agree with this. Now the old favourites (Wizards and archers) plus new ones would combine and five the best results. I actually hated the fact that The Poison Spell was just useless against a max dragon while it removed archers, wizards from existence in blink of eye. So I agree with this and the stats are also balanced. By the way, this could be moulded in another way - L1 Poison Spell causes 10% more damage on Troops having HP above 1000 and 10% low damage on Troops having HP less than 1000. This increases to 20% at L2 30% at L3 40% at L4 I think heroes damage as stated above is balanced so I won't interface with that. Thanks for your time

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No, that would make this spell too OP against high HP units. But thanks, I'm glad you like the idea :smirk:

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

When they have less than 1000 HP they will receive 2x damage and when they have over 1000 HP they will not. :)

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That's a flaw in the ideas then, because that answer is nonsensical.