Level 7 Dark Troop, Siege-Type Concept

Next dark troop..... The Destroyer!!

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I had the original idea for this troop a year ago when I first joined the forums, but it wasn't that strong of a concept at that time. After playing more clash since then, and drawing influence from jaronhudson 15's recent Cannoneer thread, I think I have a better idea of how to structure a long range siege-type troop for the game. Clash doesn't have a unit like this yet, but I think something of this sort is worth consideration. Inherently a siege troop would seem to be OP just based off of the fact that it's a siege troop..... but Here's my take on how it could be incorporated into the game in a balanced way.....

In appearance, the Destroyer would be a giant sized wall breaker infused with the power of dark elixir, and equipped with a cannon arm it can load up with bombs that are strapped to it's back! This troop would function as a slow moving ranged troop that targets defenses, and would serve primarily as a support unit since it has low hitpoints and deals only moderate damage. Like the Cannoneer the destroyer would also have a self destruct ability, however this would be an ability that affects your OWN troops as well as the enemy..... the purpose of this being to help balance the concept out.

Stats and Characteristics:

In game troop description: This Wallbreaker's unquenchable thirst for dark elixir has transformed it into a fearsome siege weapon! Beware its self destruct though, it's so powerful even allies get hurt by its blast.

Unlocked from Dark barracks level 7 at th10! (Cost would be 5,000,000 elixir)

**Attack speed is 3.5 seconds, splash damage at 4.0 tiles range

**ranged unit, but it can only attack ground troops

*special ability: a powerful self destruct at death which affects both allies and enemies alike.

**This troop would have 4 upgrade levels (5 total):
-Lvl.2 65,000 dark
-Lvl.3 75,000 dark
-Lvl.4 90,000 dark
-Lvl.5 105,000 dark
(At the first 3 levels, the appearance of the cannon on it's arm will resemble a level 8 cannon; but at level 4 and 5 it would change to have the appearance of a level 12 cannon)

Lv.1 Destroyer
DPS-60 (damage per hit 210)
Range- 4.0 tiles
HP-160
Training $- 270 Dark
Fav. Target-Defenses
Dam. Type- splash damage
Targets- Ground
Housing- 12
Train Speed- 15 min
Mov-10
Self destruct: 180 damage at 2.0 tile radius

Lv.2
DPS-70 (245 per hit)
HP-190
Training $-320 Dark
Self destruct: 190 damage at 2.0 tile radius

Lv.3
DPS- 76 (266 per hit)
HP- 220
Training $-380 Dark
Self destruct: 200 damage at 2.0 tile radius

Lvl.4
DPS - 82 (287 per hit)
HP- 260
Training $-450 Dark
Self destruct: 210 damage at 2.5 tile radius

Lvl 5.
DPS-88 ( 308 per hit)
HP-310
Training $- 510 Dark
Self destruct: 220 damage at 2.5 tile radius

***The destroyer is essentially an additional support unit similar to the archer and wizard. It's attacks are overall more like the wizard because it can deal splash damage, but is different in that it attacks slower and has more range. The greatest advantage of the destroyer is that it targets defenses directly, so if paired with a group of giants or golems it can effectively target them over enemy walls. Because they have long range, they may also be useful if paired with healers as the healer will be more likely to stay out of range of the air defenses.

Weaknesses:
**Spring Traps
**Only targets ground opponents
**the self destruct..... The key component behind this weakness is that if one or more destroyers are grouped together (allowing them to deal much more damage) they are very vulnerable to being taken out, because if one of them dies they will all die together in the self destruction blast along with any other support troops you have nearby such as archers or wizards. This weakness forces an attacker to think very carefully about when and where to place a destroyer(s).... as they must also be on the lookout for bombs and big bombs. Even just using one destroyer can be a liability if not used carefully, ensuring it's role remains that of a support troop and not becoming an all out attack troop.

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Share your thoughts and opinions on this troop concept :)

It's very similar to me and Antdroids idea, which is where the idea originally came from. But I must say, I'm a little bit offended..."I think I have a 'better idea' of how to structure a long range seige-troop for the game." To me, it is almost exactly the same as the Cannoneer, but with less DPS and HP, and does not have any close range weaknesses. It's basically a much weaker version of the Cannoneer, and many statistics follow the Cannoneer; Range, Attack Speed, Self Destruct that can even harm nearby friendly troops... I mean, I gave you permission to create another long range siege-troop, but I never thought it would be too similar... I really thought you would create a new troop with a newer purpose... :(

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Originally Posted by jaronhudson15

It's very similar to me and Antdroids idea, which is where the idea originally came from. But I must say, I'm a little bit offended..."I think I have a 'better idea' of how to structure a long range seige-troop for the game." To me, it is almost exactly the same as the Cannoneer, but with less DPS and HP, and does not have any close range weaknesses. It's basically a much weaker version of the Cannoneer, and many statistics follow the Cannoneer; Range, Attack Speed, Self Destruct that can even harm nearby friendly troops... I mean, I gave you permission to create another long range siege-troop, but I never thought it would be too similar... I really thought you would create a new troop with a newer purpose... :(

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If anything, you should consider the similarities as a compliment; your cannoneer troop concept I think is a step in the right direction for how a siege troop should be in the game

I included two links on this thread to yours as well, so it's not trying take anything away from that, more Like a compare and contrast I guess.

The self destruct damaging friendlies was the main difference other than the stats, unless damaging friendlies was what you had in mind afterall. Also there's no mortar-like blind spot.

As far as the year long reference goes, I had made a destroyer concept before that was actually more like jahboy777's minotaur because it targeted walls first then defenses (kind of like a wallbreaker/loon hybrid) but overall the idea was a bit op.

This is based off your idea, it's just presenting it with different stats and attributes, because this is what any siege troop should look like or set its standard to

"I have a Better idea of how to structure a siege troop" meant I have a greater understanding now than a year ago, after having played clash longer and after seeing your post.... I didn't mean it as in this thread is better than yours :/

That's not what any of these threads are about

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Originally Posted by jaronhudson15

It's very similar to me and Antdroids idea, which is where the idea originally came from. But I must say, I'm a little bit offended..."I think I have a 'better idea' of how to structure a long range seige-troop for the game." To me, it is almost exactly the same as the Cannoneer, but with less DPS and HP, and does not have any close range weaknesses. It's basically a much weaker version of the Cannoneer, and many statistics follow the Cannoneer; Range, Attack Speed, Self Destruct that can even harm nearby friendly troops... I mean, I gave you permission to create another long range siege-troop, but I never thought it would be too similar... I really thought you would create a new troop with a newer purpose... :(

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Guess what stat he didn't include? Damage decrease, which as you currently have is too OP. For that reason, I prefer his version over yours. It's a much more balanced troop, but he did give you credit where it's due.

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Originally Posted by willdabeast01123

Guess what stat he didn't include? Damage decrease, which as you currently have is too OP. For that reason, I prefer his version over yours. It's a much more balanced troop, but he did give you credit where it's due.

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Glad it's apparent I'm not trying to rip anyone off here. That said, you say this troop is more balanced than the other version.... but that doesn't necessarily mean it's game worthy.... any opinions on where it still might be op?

The fact that anything with range could target defenses is on the op side from the start..... but I think a lot of us would like a siege troop in the game if it could be balanced out in a reasonable way

Tbh I don't really like too much randomness when it comes to raiding. If I were to use it I would prefer if it either did or didn't do splash dmg, not being randomly selected.

I also think a higher range and lower hp would be better, maybe like 7 tiles (range of wizard tower), but half the current health

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Originally Posted by sirhybrid

Tbh I don't really like too much randomness when it comes to raiding. If I were to use it I would prefer if it either did or didn't do splash dmg, not being randomly selected.

I also think a higher range and lower hp would be better, maybe like 7 tiles (range of wizard tower), but half the current health

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Consider the troop just as a single target attacker, whenever planning raids with it.

7 range is massive..... idk if that could work..... having that much alone could make the troop op....

But maybe 6 could work..... I'll have to think about how to adjust the stats....

I like the statistic's of this idea better than Jarod's but I like Jarod's concept much better.

Both of these threads have given me an idea.... time to plan..

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Originally Posted by LachlanS

I like the statistic's of this idea better than Jarod's but I like Jarod's concept much better.

Both of these threads have given me an idea.... time to plan..

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Get to it bud haha.

And by concepts what do you mean? Appearance of the troop or something else?

I really like it..... Because its almost the same as me and jaron's troop....

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

Get to it bud haha.

And by concepts what do you mean? Appearance of the troop or something else?

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Yes appearance is an aspect of a concept.

Concept is mainly the appearance and the suiting to the game in my opinion but it differs.

When I finalize this idea I will credit you, Jarod and ant but the idea won't be as similar as your troop to Jarod's.

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

I really like it..... Because its almost the same as me and jaron's troop....

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It's a variation of that idea, much weaker stats, no damage reduction effect, and has a self destruct which hurts friendlies.

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Originally Posted by LachlanS

Yes appearance is an aspect of a concept.

Concept is mainly the appearance and the suiting to the game in my opinion but it differs.

When I finalize this idea I will credit you, Jarod and ant but the idea won't be as similar as your troop to Jarod's.

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Any troop that is ranged and targets defenses would be similar; that's the basis of what a siege troop is.

Amazing art. Nice explained thread. It's also balanced troop. But there's one thing I would like to tell is that there is already a wall breaker. And this a advanced version of that. With some tweaks, it could be turned into a HEROIC which would be more appropriate, I guess

Again, it's a good thread and idea.

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Originally Posted by willdabeast01123

Guess what stat he didn't include? Damage decrease, which as you currently have is too OP. For that reason, I prefer his version over yours. It's a much more balanced troop, but he did give you credit where it's due.

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Very similar does not mean exactly the same.. Does it now?

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Originally Posted by sujalthelost

Amazing art. Nice explained thread. It's also balanced troop. But there's one thing I would like to tell is that there is already a wall breaker. And this a advanced version of that. With some tweaks, it could be turned into a HEROIC which would be more appropriate, I guess

Again, it's a good thread and idea.

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Glad you like the artwork, and hmm yeah possibly it could work out as a heroic type. Stats would need to be adjusted accordingly, lol I could even see it's ability being to summon a wave of wallbreakers...... but it still works as a troop type too. I think if the siege unit in Clash were to be a hero then it would eliminate the need for a siege troop, so I still prefer it as a troop type.

Balloons are also wallbreakers, so a giant wallbreaker with a cannon arm doesn't stray too far from what would fit in the game imo

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

Very similar does not mean exactly the same.. Does it now?

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

I really like it..... Because its almost the same as me and jaron's troop....

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Originally Posted by jaronhudson15

It's very similar to me and Antdroids idea, which is where the idea originally came from. But I must say, I'm a little bit offended..."I think I have a 'better idea' of how to structure a long range seige-troop for the game." To me, it is almost exactly the same as the Cannoneer, but with less DPS and HP, and does not have any close range weaknesses. It's basically a much weaker version of the Cannoneer, and many statistics follow the Cannoneer; Range, Attack Speed, Self Destruct that can even harm nearby friendly troops... I mean, I gave you permission to create another long range siege-troop, but I never thought it would be too similar... I really thought you would create a new troop with a newer purpose... :(

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Very similar ISN'T the same..... but regardless it's strongly being implied here that my concept is an exact replica and I'm jacking you guys without giving any credit.

Any siege troop will have the fundamental function of being ranged troop and targeting defenses. That is what a siege troop is.

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

Glad you like the artwork, and hmm yeah possibly it could work out as a heroic type. Stats would need to be adjusted accordingly, lol I could even see it's ability being to summon a wave of wallbreakers...... but it still works as a troop type too. I think if the siege unit in Clash were to be a hero then it would eliminate the need for a siege troop, so I still prefer it as a troop type.

Balloons are also wallbreakers, so a giant wallbreaker with a cannon arm doesn't stray too far from what would fit in the game imo

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I didn't meant about the physic. I meant that it does the same work. That's why I told that it could work either in a heroic way.

All of those sentences say almost.....

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

All of those sentences say almost.....

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Well jaron's comments were leaning more on an accusation tone, yours seems more a sarcastic one tbh.

No mention of the actual concept itself or discussing why I gave it the stats it has.

I think it's a more balanced version of a siege troop, probably you disagree, that's the discussion I'd want to have with you guys.

Not "how rude...... it's a range troop that targets defenses, you copy catter!!"

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

Any troop that is ranged and targets defenses would be similar; that's the basis of what a siege troop is.

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I disagree,

A siege troop can range from a machine (which is the idea I am working with) to anything that actually attacks really.

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Originally Posted by LachlanS

I disagree,

A siege troop can range from a machine (which is the idea I am working with) to anything that actually attacks really.

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Regardless of what the troop is, whether its a monster, warrior, knight, catapult, etc etc when I say "siege troop" I'm referring to the function of what the troop does.... How it can be used strategically to help win matches from a long range vantage point without being op. (A troop could be a frign floating watermelon with bat wings that shoots lasers out it's *** for all I care lol, point here is that what the troop actually is doesn't matter what matters is what it can do)

A ranged troop that attacks anything the same as an archer or wizard would likely be inferior to those troops from a "siege" perspective because a siege troop only makes sense as a slow moving long range unit..... If wizards achieve the same outcome of what it's supposed to do, but they do it better it kind of defeats the purpose of having it.

Now a ranged troop that functions like a wizard but is more of tanking troop would be an interesting idea.... but that would be extremely difficult to balance out. Theres a reason wizards archers minions and witches all die so easy, their meant to attack from behind other troops...... If a ranged troop could double as a tank it screams op.

Idk what troop concept you have in mind, but I am interested to see what the details of it are. IMO though, in order for it to function as a "siege" troop the only thing that makes sense for it to do is be a ranged troop that targets defenses from afar in one way or another..... whether it be through damage or by causing some kind of hindering effect.

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

Regardless of what the troop is, whether its a monster, warrior, knight, catapult, etc etc when I say "siege troop" I'm referring to the function of what the troop does.... How it can be used strategically to help win matches from a long range vantage point without being op. (A troop could be a frign floating watermelon with bat wings that shoots lasers out it's *** for all I care lol, point here is that what the troop actually is doesn't matter what matters is what it can do)

A ranged troop that attacks anything the same as an archer or wizard would likely be inferior to those troops from a "siege" perspective because a siege troop only makes sense as a slow moving long range unit..... If wizards achieve the same outcome of what it's supposed to do, but they do it better it kind of defeats the purpose of having it.

Now a ranged troop that functions like a wizard but is more of tanking troop would be an interesting idea.... but that would be extremely difficult to balance out. Theres a reason wizards archers minions and witches all die so easy, their meant to attack from behind other troops...... If a ranged troop could double as a tank it screams op.

Idk what troop concept you have in mind, but I am interested to see what the details of it are. IMO though, in order for it to function as a "siege" troop the only thing that makes sense for it to do is be a ranged troop that targets defenses from afar in one way or another..... whether it be through damage or by causing some kind of hindering effect.

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If a siege troop doubled as a tank would that be OP?

I'll PM you details of the troop when I get closer to finalizing the idea to see your opinion :)