Dragons...

Hi,

I'm Coomberlane and I'm in a level 6 clan, made of mainly th7s and 8s with a few 9s and 10s in war. We war every often, and our th7s (and occasionally th8s) use mass dragon attacks frequently to 3 star, whilst our opponents also do the same. These attacks, especially at th7, require very little skill - the th7 formula is just to lightning one air defence and spawn the dragons near to the other, and this makes war at th7 monotonous and boring.

My request is to nerf slightly the hp and/or dps of lvl 1-2 dragons so that mass drags, whilst still a 3 star attack, require at least some skill to effectively pull off, for example funneling, and make wars at this level more interesting and skilful.

IMO, no. Drags cost a lot of elixir and if you pay for them you should get what you paid for.

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Originally Posted by Radiating

IMO, no. Drags cost a lot of elixir and if you pay for them you should get what you paid for.

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Agreed. Also higher TH levels can finally incorporate dragons in their army compositions with the new level 5 dragons, before this dragons where utterly useless after TH8. No need to nerf them.

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Originally Posted by Radiating

IMO, no. Drags cost a lot of elixir and if you pay for them you should get what you paid for.

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Cost doesn't justify shallow and over simplified gameplay. For that matter gowipe costs a lot more but still takes a bit of strategy.

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Originally Posted by Radiating

IMO, no. Drags cost a lot of elixir and if you pay for them you should get what you paid for.

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I know but lots of troops cost a lot, it doesn't mean that by spawning them in a line is a guaranteed 3 star on 99.9% of bases. They should at least require some thought.

Easy solution: kick out all th7's from clan or don't put them in war.

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Originally Posted by Frosticewolf

Easy solution: kick out all th7's from clan or don't put them in war.

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That's not a solution

People complain about this all the time saying it's uneven and not fair because it requires no skill. It may not require a lot of skill but there are some people who do not get a 3 star on the mass dragon attack on TH 7. And it is completely balanced since everyone can do it. Just up your TH and you'll do better. Or maybe just up all your defenses. Even though it is possible, it does get significantly harder to mass dragon 3 star a maxed TH 7 set up correctly.

What if you were able to upgrade air defenses to another level at TH7? That would make your opponent have to use more skill but wouldn't nerf dragons at higher Town Hall levels.

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Originally Posted by Topper34

What if you were able to upgrade air defenses to another level at TH7? That would make your opponent have to use more skill but wouldn't nerf dragons at higher Town Hall levels.

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So you want to give a level 6 AD to th 7? Problem is that currently 3 Lightning spells are able to destroy an ad. With max level Lightning in a th 7 that AD is still going to be destroyed by 3 lighting spells. So, this does not fix the problem that the main idea is to Lightning an ad and steamroll the base with drags. It is just a fact that needs to be overlooked. Only way to fix that is to either lower the damage of lighting, making it even less useful then the last update made it, or raise the hp,of ads again. Meaning again it will take longer to destroy bases which the last update already did.

A lot of the th7 bases in war do not cover the loot that mass drag needs to cook, alone using spells. Most th7 when defeated only net about 120 to 150 k. Dragons cost quite a lot, let alone the cost of spells added. It is not cost effective to take drags as a th 7. Yet it is a regular practice.

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Originally Posted by Frosticewolf

Easy solution: kick out all th7's from clan or don't put them in war.

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What if they were loyal to the clan and those people are active and cooperate during wars? Kicking someone just because they are th 7 is not a good idea.

IMO TH7 should get three air defense but limited to level 4.

#NotInAMillionYears


What's with these nerf requests today?

Every other guy asking to nerf something or the other.

Just, stop!

To fix that problem all SuperCell has to do is increase the dragons army camp size from 20 to 35. Voilà, a decent amount of drags that are now defendable.

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Originally Posted by LilHomieTJ

To fix that problem all SuperCell has to do is increase the dragons army camp size from 20 to 35. Voilà, a decent amount of drags that are now defendable.

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I'm going out on a limb and saying you are not a math major.

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Originally Posted by PvtLeeOwned

I'm going out on a limb and saying you are not a math major.

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That does not have anything to do with what I said you square. I'm still in college but what's ahead in my life doesn't concern you. I'm going out on a limb and saying your an ignorant person, you can only assume of me, you don't know me in anyway.

Increasing housing is a solution. Though, I think drags are fine how they are. They have their place and use.

Unneeded. Mass drags strategy only works on th7. Once you reached th8 or above,you will find out that mass drags doesn't work anymore. And yeah, only Jorge Yao is still using mass drags on th10.

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Originally Posted by LilHomieTJ

That does not have anything to do with what I said you square. I'm still in college but what's ahead in my life doesn't concern you. I'm going out on a limb and saying your an ignorant person, you can only assume of me, you don't know me in anyway.

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Wow,wow,wow, chill bro! I'm pretty sure that Pvt was not trying to start a flame war,so don't start too!

Increasing the amount of space it takes in the camp is the solution. You can 3 star any war base TH7 or 8 with Mass drags and 3 lightning spells (As long as they don't spread apart). The most dragons you can have at TH7-8 is 11, 10 in your camp and 1 in your cc. If you increase the space they take from 20-35 then the most they would be able to have is 6, 5 in their camp and 1 in their cc. I think a TH7 would actually have a chance to defend against 6 dragons instead of 11.
Some people cook max drags, 3 lightning spells, and hogs in their clan castle to rid of an extra air defense.

Keep in mind the highest amount available space in your army camp at TH7-8 is 200. So with an increase to 35, they'd be able to have 5 drags which would take up 175 troops space with a choice of choosing something else (variety) Along with a drag in the cc.

I suggested a few backs that they release the second sweeper at TH8. At TH7 drags are the way to go. But at TH8 you get both Pekkas and Golems but people still use drags. Well if they (SC) would release AS at TH8 it might make the 8s think about their attacks a little more. I have been told that this won't help but if you have to attack a base that is protected from two sides by a sweeper I bet you see more TH8 GoWiPe attacks

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Originally Posted by Const

Cost doesn't justify shallow and over simplified gameplay. For that matter gowipe costs a lot more but still takes a bit of strategy.

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I disagree. I see people mess up dragon raids and one star in war all the time. And it is definitely the strategy that is lacking as you can call a one star in the first ten second most of the time. Dragon raids are won or lost before they even start, but you do have to know how to deploy them.

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Originally Posted by LilHomieTJ

That does not have anything to do with what I said you square. I'm still in college but what's ahead in my life doesn't concern you. I'm going out on a limb and saying your an ignorant person, you can only assume of me, you don't know me in anyway.

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I'm not sure exactly where to go with this, but I'll give it a shot.

Your proposal is to change the housing space of dragons by increasing it by 75%. Going from 20 to 35 is a massive overreaction. This is not fine tuning. It is absurd.

I don't need to know anything about you to know that the idea you have put forth does not have mathematical merit. The comment regarding you not being a math major was a slight at your idea, not you as a person. I am happy to remain in my ignorant state as I have no interest in knowing anything about you. Ignorance is a temporary condition that can be corrected with the introduction of information. Stupid is permanent.

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Dragons....Dragons, Dragons, Dragons......Potentially the most hated troop in the game.

Nothing wrong with them. After low TH8, you'll switch to hogs, gowipe or hybrids, and then only occasionally use them anyway.

Saying that, as a TH9, I use L4 drags to 2* TH10's in war, as it means I can switch with a TH10 who can then 3* a high TH9, that would be much more risky for me to do.

There's a thread on rebalancing TH7 that covers this in greater detail, but the biggest problem with nerfing level 2 is that's the TH7 end game, which they need if they're going to have a shot at getting 2 stars against a decent TH8...because sometimes TH7s have to attack TH8s, and because that's also your go to when you first level up to TH8.

Level 1 drags don't fare quite as well against max TH7s, so I don't think there's a huge problem there.


The best solution seems to be to take the 2nd Seeking Air Mine you get at TH8 and move it to TH7. If that isn't enough, the next step would probably be level 9 archer towers (and possibly cannons just to balance it out). On the offensive side, TH7s could also be given valks, and possibly minions to level 3.

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Originally Posted by Pympin

I suggested a few backs that they release the second sweeper at TH8. At TH7 drags are the way to go. But at TH8 you get both Pekkas and Golems but people still use drags. Well if they (SC) would release AS at TH8 it might make the 8s think about their attacks a little more. I have been told that this won't help but if you have to attack a base that is protected from two sides by a sweeper I bet you see more TH8 GoWiPe attacks

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I've often wondered the logic behind having the second air sweeper at TH9. It's not like TH9's need the extra one, it's TH8's that need it the most. There's already an exhaustive list of items a TH9 gets (xbow, queen, extra defenses, more walls, etc.)

It only seemed logical to me that a TH8 would get the second air sweeper to help nerf some of the drag attacks.

On a side note: I've only noticed level 4+ air sweepers to be effective against any kind of air attack at my TH10 level.

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Originally Posted by Feldhouse

I've often wondered the logic behind having the second air sweeper at TH9. It's not like TH9's need the extra one, it's TH8's that need it the most. There's already an exhaustive list of items a TH9 gets (xbow, queen, extra defenses, more walls, etc.)

It only seemed logical to me that a TH8 would get the second air sweeper to help nerf some of the drag attacks.

On a side note: I've only noticed level 4+ air sweepers to be effective against any kind of air attack at my TH10 level.

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Really? Drag attacks might need to be nerfed at TH7, but not at TH8. The most effective 3 star attack at TH8 is actually hogs, and even before the air sweeper, a TH8 with a good design and solid defense could thwart a dragon attack, resulting in 1 or 2. And if you're smart about the air sweeper placement, it can make it that much tougher. A second one would be too much.

At TH9, the Lavaloon/GoLavaloon are two of the top 3 star strategies, and before the second air sweeper they may have been the strategy. With these, a single air sweeper is usually avoided pretty easily, but having 2 means you're almost always going to have to contend with at least 1 of them at some point during the battle.

I really think they got this one right.

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Originally Posted by awesomness2016

Really? Drag attacks might need to be nerfed at TH7, but not at TH8. The most effective 3 star attack at TH8 is actually hogs, and even before the air sweeper, a TH8 with a good design and solid defense could thwart a dragon attack, resulting in 1 or 2. And if you're smart about the air sweeper placement, it can make it that much tougher. A second one would be too much.

At TH9, the Lavaloon/GoLavaloon are two of the top 3 star strategies, and before the second air sweeper they may have been the strategy. With these, a single air sweeper is usually avoided pretty easily, but having 2 means you're almost always going to have to contend with at least 1 of them at some point during the battle.

I really think they got this one right.

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I think you missed the part about everyone at TH8 is using dragons in war. Also if the sweeper is released at TH8 the player gets the opportunity to upgrade the second sweeper before getting to TH9 so again, it would make sense to release the sweeper at TH8. The most common war attack @ TH8 is Drags, hate to be the bearer of bad news. I suggest this to open up the attack strategy at TH8 as most of the troops are now unlocked. I know everyone is happy using mindless uncontrolled Dragon attacks, instead of using skill and utilizing the new troops they can unlock. I think this can have a very logical defense in any debate.