Mini-Guide for DE Farming - you want super heroes, don't you?

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Originally Posted by Junliang

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This was quite a fail..
didn't even manage to get the 2nd gold storage nor the DE storage.

1) I should have drop minions before healers to distract the AD. (But if drop too many at once, 1 air bomb = gg)
2) Was too slow in dropping wall breakers, so the troops wasnt able to break in fast enough, resulting in dispersion of the troops, which wasnt enough to reach the core.

Any other advice/comment about the fail raid ?

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Damn bro, you made 9 wiz?.... That is a short time! lol I only make 1 wiz, and I cringed when I saw you had 9 wiz in your camp. Hopefully you didn't have to wait for them to complete, and made them while you were away. Come visit Unity Elite for a day to try my strategy out :D. I raid every 27 minutes with a CC of 7 wizards + 1 in my camp, it is a joy :) Most of the guys in Unity Alliance have used or is using one of your base designs, they would love for you to visit and give you wiz all day long, you won't have to donate at all ;)

Here are some of the things I would do differently:

1. Avoid attacking near TH as the bulky HP of TH can slow down your blitz
2. Lure CC troops to your deployment zone (or kill in corner with a couple of minions if it is a pekka) as it is on the other side of the base, those must be lured or your raid will fail if the CC has troops (luckily for this raid he didn't have any CC troops)
3. Need to send in WB early, and I think if you are new to this strategy, you can increase the WB count to 10 until you got the fast deployment order & speed down. It takes practice. When I deploy, I don't look at the enemy at all, I only look at my troop bar as I need to switch and deploy very fast. Both of my hands cover almost my entire iPad as I do the initial blitz. My whole deployment time for initial big wave is no longer than 5-10 seconds I believe. I would have only about 10-15 minions and 6 goblins remaining after the initial deployment madness.

Another method I often use to drop wall breakers is to drop them pretty much all at once, but I do not spam them at the same spot. I would drop 2 right behind my giants, then 2-3 more about 3-5 tiles back, then another 2-3 more further back 3-5 tiles. This way I get the WB deployment out of the way quickly in the deployment frenzy, and it would be less likely for me to mess up. But this would only be doable if you have good amount of space to deploy.

4. Send in a few minions first if there is AD in range or near healers, otherwise send in healers first to tank air bombs for minions. I always send in 3-5 minions per wave. If my confidence level for no air bomb is high, I would send in a lot more per wave, and save 2 for the end.

5. It would be safer to use rage for this base because it is heavily segmented, since you did not have enough wall breakers to make a good path for your troops fast. So if you are a gold farmer it will be hard for you as you are trying to save gold. For me because I have decided to pretty much ditch walls in order to safely harvest maximum DE each raid, I do not hesitate to use rage in every raid. Yes, welcome to the dark side, buddy! haha

My Mano A Mano vs. Jerf from InTheDark is a good example of probably the best deployment order for my strategy vs bases like that, though unfortunately my WBs kept dying due to mortar fire (unlucky but avoidable, this is something I am working on):

http://youtu.be/-Bkz1CCRckI

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

Damn bro, you made 9 wiz?.... That is a short time! lol I only make 1 wiz, and I cringed when I saw you had 9 wiz in your camp. Hopefully you didn't have to wait for them to complete, and made them while you were away. Come visit Unity Elite for a day to try my strategy out :D. I raid every 27 minutes with a CC of 7 wizards + 1 in my camp, it is a joy :) Most of the guys in Unity Alliance have used or is using one of your base designs, they would love for you to visit and give you wiz all day long, you won't have to donate at all ;)

Here are some of the things I would do differently:

1. Avoid attacking near TH as the bulky HP of TH can slow down your blitz
2. Lure CC troops to your deployment zone (or kill in corner with a couple of minions if it is a pekka) as it is on the other side of the base, those must be lured or your raid will fail if the CC has troops (luckily for this raid he didn't have any CC troops)
3. Need to send in WB early, and I think if you are new to this strategy, you can increase the WB count to 10 until you got the fast deployment order & speed down. It takes practice. When I deploy, I don't look at the enemy at all, I only look at my troop bar as I need to switch and deploy very fast. Both of my hands cover almost my entire iPad as I do the initial blitz. My whole deployment time for initial big wave is no longer than 5-10 seconds I believe. I would have only about 10-15 minions and 6 goblins remaining after the initial deployment madness.

Another method I often use to drop wall breakers is to drop them pretty much all at once, but I do not spam them at the same spot. I would drop 2 right behind my giants, then 2-3 more about 3-5 tiles back, then another 2-3 more further back 3-5 tiles. This way I get the WB deployment out of the way quickly in the deployment frenzy, and it would be less likely for me to mess up. But this would only be doable if you have good amount of space to deploy.

4. Send in a few minions first if there is AD in range or near healers, otherwise send in healers first to tank air bombs for minions. I always send in 3-5 minions per wave. If my confidence level for no air bomb is high, I would send in a lot more per wave, and save 2 for the end.

5. It would be safer to use rage for this base because it is heavily segmented, since you did not have enough wall breakers to make a good path for your troops fast. So if you are a gold farmer it will be hard for you as you are trying to save gold. For me because I have decided to pretty much ditch walls in order to safely harvest maximum DE each raid, I do not hesitate to use rage in every raid. Yes, welcome to the dark side, buddy! haha

My Mano A Mano vs. Jerf from InTheDark is a good example of probably the best deployment order for my strategy vs bases like that, though unfortunately my WBs kept dying due to mortar fire (unlucky but avoidable, this is something I am working on):

http://youtu.be/-Bkz1CCRckI

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Nice raid! Just a question: do you think you would get that dark elixir without the healers healing your giants?

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Originally Posted by Flip

Nice raid! Just a question: do you think you would get that dark elixir without the healers healing your giants?

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Maybe, I made 3 healers so they can heal both giants and wizards. Healing wizards is much more important than healing giants for my strategy though. But for tough bases with high DPS, you NEED to heal your giants or your tanking units will be wiped out very quickly.

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

Damn bro, you made 9 wiz?.... That is a short time! lol I only make 1 wiz, and I cringed when I saw you had 9 wiz in your camp. Hopefully you didn't have to wait for them to complete, and made them while you were away. Come visit Unity Elite for a day to try my strategy out :D. I raid every 27 minutes with a CC of 7 wizards + 1 in my camp, it is a joy :) Most of the guys in Unity Alliance have used or is using one of your base designs, they would love for you to visit and give you wiz all day long, you won't have to donate at all ;)

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Haha yeah, as my elixir are always full now, i'm thinking of adopting a full elixir army every time I will be away for a long time, like traveling or at work.
GoWiPe requires DE, and although golem can be swap for giant to make it a full elixir army, it seems pretty weak without healers on giants, hence i'm trying out your strategy, and trying to make it my semi-trophy hunting army.
I take around 45 mins to make my army of 3 healer/15giant/9wiz/12barb/13arch/6wb/15minions, but ya, I only build it when I'm away for a period of time, so time isn't really an issue.
Usually gold farming with BAM anyway haha.

Haha, thats awesome to hear that :D
Glad to have impacted the way you guys design your base or using my layout to defend your resources.

I'm returning to Exodias, after leading Exodias II's virgin trophy push. Maybe I will add that to my list of clans to visit before return back to Exodias haha :p

Thanks for the kind words. :)

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

Here are some of the things I would do differently:

1. Avoid attacking near TH as the bulky HP of TH can slow down your blitz

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Good point LOL.
Personally, I'm more comfortable in deploying troops on the right side of the base as a right hander haha, I did a poll back then previously actually.
So yea, I should have attack from the bottom left instead.

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

2. Lure CC troops to your deployment zone (or kill in corner with a couple of minions if it is a pekka) as it is on the other side of the base, those must be lured or your raid will fail if the CC has troops (luckily for this raid he didn't have any CC troops)

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Ah okay, I was intending to merely let my troops get naturally suck in, without luring at all.
But yea, its a good practise to double check for cc troops, guess I've been fighting too many abandoned bases to even bother LOL.

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

3. Need to send in WB early, and I think if you are new to this strategy, you can increase the WB count to 10 until you got the fast deployment order & speed down. It takes practice. When I deploy, I don't look at the enemy at all, I only look at my troop bar as I need to switch and deploy very fast. Both of my hands cover almost my entire iPad as I do the initial blitz. My whole deployment time for initial big wave is no longer than 5-10 seconds I believe. I would have only about 10-15 minions and 6 goblins remaining after the initial deployment madness.

Another method I often use to drop wall breakers is to drop them pretty much all at once, but I do not spam them at the same spot. I would drop 2 right behind my giants, then 2-3 more about 3-5 tiles back, then another 2-3 more further back 3-5 tiles. This way I get the WB deployment out of the way quickly in the deployment frenzy, and it would be less likely for me to mess up. But this would only be doable if you have good amount of space to deploy.

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Yea.. i'm actually abit rusty with wb LOL
Using too much BAM army already.
Nice, I guess I need practise on the deployment sequence.
Based on the position of AD.. cc etc.
Thx for the tips :)

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

4. Send in a few minions first if there is AD in range or near healers, otherwise send in healers first to tank air bombs for minions. I always send in 3-5 minions per wave. If my confidence level for no air bomb is high, I would send in a lot more per wave, and save 2 for the end.

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Good point, I keep forgetting that, until I hear the sound of AD hitting my Healer, then I send in my minions.
But by then, too late already, cause the AD already lock on to my healer.
But wow, you have like 27 minions haha, I only use like 15.
But as said, I'm quite use to gold farming, so I try not to use even my CC if possible LOL.
Guess I need to break out of that habit and use my CC and rage spell when using this army.

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

5. It would be safer to use rage for this base because it is heavily segmented, since you did not have enough wall breakers to make a good path for your troops fast. So if you are a gold farmer it will be hard for you as you are trying to save gold. For me because I have decided to pretty much ditch walls in order to safely harvest maximum DE each raid, I do not hesitate to use rage in every raid. Yes, welcome to the dark side, buddy! haha

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Haha, don't need to welcome me :X
I'm trying to be able to apply your strategy into my own context of semi trophy army HAHA :p
But I doubt I will focus on DE farming, unless when I'm trophy hunting hehe.
Yea, rage can do wonders :)

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

My Mano A Mano vs. Jerf from InTheDark is a good example of probably the best deployment order for my strategy vs bases like that, though unfortunately my WBs kept dying due to mortar fire (unlucky but avoidable, this is something I am working on):

http://youtu.be/-Bkz1CCRckI

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Awesome raid, pretty lucky there though, if it wasn't for the wiz.
If you had your AQ, would be much more stable.

And yea, need to take note of the mortar timing as well.

Nice guide! I tried to use it a day ago and i got my lvl 5 king!!
The only problem is i kept finding 300k gold targets and those slowed me down (hey a guy has to farm walls too, right?)...
This army is amazing and works for almost anything well protected in the base, thanks for this great guide, without it I would still have a lvl2 king!!!:D

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Originally Posted by Junliang

:(

This was quite a fail..
didn't even manage to get the 2nd gold storage nor the DE storage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_7AkPIXkX0&feature=youtu.be

1) I should have drop minions before healers to distract the AD. (But if drop too many at once, 1 air bomb = gg)
2) Was too slow in dropping wall breakers, so the troops wasnt able to break in fast enough, resulting in dispersion of the troops, which wasnt enough to reach the core.

Any other advice/comment about the fail raid ?

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Jun, that was a bad raid on your behalf. You should have definitely have used your rage spells and deployed minions before healers. You most definitely need to work on your troop deployment speed as well as wall breakers. A well placed rage spell would have gotten you all of the De there. Make sure you spread your barbs in a line to activate spring traps and stop wizards from going merry go round. Keep up the videos though!

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Originally Posted by Junliang

Haha yeah, as my elixir are always full now, i'm thinking of adopting a full elixir army every time I will be away for a long time, like traveling or at work.
GoWiPe requires DE, and although golem can be swap for giant to make it a full elixir army, it seems pretty weak without healers on giants, hence i'm trying out your strategy, and trying to make it my semi-trophy hunting army.
I take around 45 mins to make my army of 3 healer/15giant/9wiz/12barb/13arch/6wb/15minions, but ya, I only build it when I'm away for a period of time, so time isn't really an issue.
Usually gold farming with BAM anyway haha.

Haha, thats awesome to hear that :D
Glad to have impacted the way you guys design your base or using my layout to defend your resources.

I'm returning to Exodias, after leading Exodias II's virgin trophy push. Maybe I will add that to my list of clans to visit before return back to Exodias haha :p

Thanks for the kind words. :)


Good point LOL.
Personally, I'm more comfortable in deploying troops on the right side of the base as a right hander haha, I did a poll back then previously actually.
So yea, I should have attack from the bottom left instead.


Ah okay, I was intending to merely let my troops get naturally suck in, without luring at all.
But yea, its a good practise to double check for cc troops, guess I've been fighting too many abandoned bases to even bother LOL.


Yea.. i'm actually abit rusty with wb LOL
Using too much BAM army already.
Nice, I guess I need practise on the deployment sequence.
Based on the position of AD.. cc etc.
Thx for the tips :)


Good point, I keep forgetting that, until I hear the sound of AD hitting my Healer, then I send in my minions.
But by then, too late already, cause the AD already lock on to my healer.
But wow, you have like 27 minions haha, I only use like 15.
But as said, I'm quite use to gold farming, so I try not to use even my CC if possible LOL.
Guess I need to break out of that habit and use my CC and rage spell when using this army.


Haha, don't need to welcome me :X
I'm trying to be able to apply your strategy into my own context of semi trophy army HAHA :p
But I doubt I will focus on DE farming, unless when I'm trophy hunting hehe.
Yea, rage can do wonders :)



Awesome raid, pretty lucky there though, if it wasn't for the wiz.
If you had your AQ, would be much more stable.

And yea, need to take note of the mortar timing as well.

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Oh don't do the CC plug hole strategy (suck in) unless their CC is in the dead center. If their CC is on the other side, your troops might be sucked in too far, getting into a death trap, and slaughtered by too many turrets. The only time I do this strategy is if the CC is in the dead center and the walls are lv 8 or below.

For heavily segmented bases, rage spell is a must because you won't have enough wall breakers to break deep into the base fast enough. You will rely on your troops to do that, and the sooner you get to the core, the more army strength you will have remaining to take down the DE storage.

I just made a video for my new lv 19 AQ, and here shows how I sometimes deploy wbs almost all at once :) They opened a decent hole toward the core so that most of my troops went to the middle. Then the rage spell is needed because this base had a lot of segments.

http://youtu.be/vd7rS2Y3cpQ

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Originally Posted by RTT

Nice guide! I tried to use it a day ago and i got my lvl 5 king!!
The only problem is i kept finding 300k gold targets and those slowed me down (hey a guy has to farm walls too, right?)...
This army is amazing and works for almost anything well protected in the base, thanks for this great guide, without it I would still have a lvl2 king!!!:D

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You are very welcome. Please keep in mind that 2000 DE is worth about 1 million gold (the reasonable conversion rate is 100 DE = 50k gold considering the usefulness and rarity of the 2 resources), so 300k gold is only worth 600 DE. Always go for the DE and gold will just come with it! For every 1000 DE you gain, you are getting like 500K gold!

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Originally Posted by Razr420

Unity your dedication to this thread has been amazing bro, keep it up.

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Thanks a lot, I will keep doing my best not to disappoint :)

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Originally Posted by UnitySharp

Thanks a lot, I will keep doing my best not to disappoint :)

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How did this all develop? How did you devise this strategy? Thanks.

Sharp, wanted to visit Elite to donate wizards! IGN is snake, so if you guys need, accept. Just trying to find out more about the finer aspect of DE farming.