The Final Dark Troop: The Doom Knight

Updated artwork (July 2018)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/U7NroF.jpg

Original artwork....
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ps3e0fae2c.jpg

I Know currently we are only at a dark barracks level 7, but supercell will continue to develop clash of clans and eventually we will reach a dark barracks level 10 (or higher)..... this is my idea for what that future troop should be; PLEASE CONSIDER IT SUPERCELL because I believe this would be a fantastic addition to the playing experience.....

With the might of a Pekka, toughness of a golem, ferocity of a Valkyrie, and ominous approach of a Balloon.... this undead menace is the most dreaded warrior of all...... crafted from the powerful necromancy of ancient witches, this fearsome and legendary combatant is known as the Doom Knight! As a troop, the Doom Knight would be an alternative choice and Dark counterpart to the P.E.K.K.A, and as such would function as a slow moving powerhouse which in my opinion would be very fitting for the final dark troop in the game.

Stats and characteristics:

*In Game Troop Description: This malevolent powerhouse is the most feared warrior in all the land; smashing everything it lays its eyes upon. Upon Death its vengeful wrath is unleashed in a terrible explosion!

*Unlocked from the level 10 dark barracks
(Suggested cost for it would be 10,000,000 elixir and unlocked from Townhall 12)

*immune to spring traps

*Attack speed is 2.5 seconds (same as pekka)

*Attack type is identical to the Valkyrie, but with a 2.0 tile radius

*special ability: self destruction upon death that deals out splash damage within a 3.0 tile radius.

*Max Troop Upgrade to lvl 4
-lvl 2 cost would be 165,000 dark
-lvl 3 cost would be 195,000 dark
-lvl 4 cost would be 215,000 dark
(dark storage 7 required to max)

(Lvl.1 and Lvl.2 appearance would be with the white bone armor, at Lvl.3 and lvl.4 the color of the armor would change to a dark grey or charcoal)

*Level 1
DPS 260 (per hit about 650 damage)
HP-5400
Training $- 750 Dark
Attk Type: area splash (same as Valkyrie); 2.0 tile radius
Targets: ground
Fav. Target- Any
Housing- 35
Train Speed- 5 minutes
Mov. Speed- 10
Self-destruct: 300 damage at 3.0 tile radius

*Level 2
DPS-340 (per hit about 850 damage)
HP-6000
Training $-925 Dark
Self-destruct: 425 damage at 3.0 tile radius

*Level 3
DPS- 425 (per hit about 1062 damage)
HP-6600
Training $- 1100 Dark
Self-destruct: 550 damage at 3.0 tile radius

*Level 4
DPS- 510 (per hit about 1275)
HP-7200
Training $- 1275 dark
Self destruct: 675 damage at 3.0 tile radius

Weaknesses......

*wizard towers deal x2 damage and cause a .5 sec stun to movement vs doom knights

*high troop space, so easy to activate eagle artillery and with slow movement its an easy target

*slow movement makes it vulnerable to inferno towers

*New Trap: The magic bomb
Only ONE is available, which takes up the same area as a giant bomb on the map (2x2)... (th 12)
1,000,000 gold to build
Lvl.1 does 150 damage with 3.5 tile splash radius
1,800,000 gold to upgrade (3 days)
Lvl.2 does 200 damage with 4.0 splash radius
Against the Doom Knight this trap would do quadruple damage (600/800) AND have an additional affect that applies only to doom knight troops.... a 4 second stun effect (same as lvl.1 freeze spell)


The way I picture the dark barracks at lvl 10 would be with a Doomknight's helmet on top the same way the P.E.K.K.A's helmet is atop the regular lvl 10 Barracks.


(Concept art below)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/EPT5q2.png

Example of how it would appear in game:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/a1dUH5.jpg

Original concept art:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ps01fe533c.jpg

Animation and Sound:

*The doom knight would lumber around like a zombie with each step.... dragging its heavy ball and chain alongside it. When first deployed a ghoulish "doooom" will echo out from this troop in a deep and menacing voice. Every time it attacks there will be a low zombie-like growl.... and when it dies it will let out a ghastly hiss for a split second before it explodes

Possible alternative names for this troop: The Bone Crusher, The Creeper, The Juggernaut, The Death Knight, The Smasher, The Lich, the Tyrant, or the Revenant

***FAQ SECTION***

1.Why is magic the Doom Knight's weakness?
-from a lore perspective, it would make sense that magic would hurt the Doom Knight since magic is what brought it to life in the first place (dark magic of ancient witches). From a functional perspective, Doom Knights deal out the most destruction when bunched up together in groups, however by doing so the splash damage of a wizard tower will make them vunerable with its stun effect and added x2 damage.

2. This troop just seems like a mix of troops we already have what's unique about that?
-It's true that the Doom Knight is a kind of hybrid of troops (mainly between that of a valkyrie, pekka, and golem) which may seem kind of simplistic, but that doesn't make it any less unique. By being based off similar characteristics of existing troops, the Doom Knight is able to function well with them without breaking the game; and will have a sense of familiarity to players in the way that it attacks... making it easier to incorporate into attack strategies.

3. Would this troop make pekkas or golems useless?
-Not at all. While the Doom Knight is a formidable alternative to a pekka, it's primary advantage is it's ability to damage multiple targets in one hit. The Pekka however will still move much faster on the map, use up less army space, and deal out a higher damage output against single targets. Both troops will have strategic value depending on how players want to attack. Additionally, while at max level its health might be comparable to a golem, it would not be as effective at filling the meatshield role given that its even slower than the golem, doesn't target defenses, and doesn't spawn lesser meat shields when it dies. Its also more expensive in dark than a golem so that would be something else to consider.

5. Why does the Doom Knight self destruct when it dies?
-Honest answer to this is just because it's a cool ability to have, and gives the troop something else about it to stand apart from other troops (without making it overpowered). Doom Knights aren't robots or anything but the idea is it's an undead being held together by dark energy, so when it dies that energy is released causing an explosion that sends it's bone splinters out like shrapnel.....

6. Why add the magic bomb trap?
-the point of the magic bomb is primarily to help counter against a group of doom knights that are grouped together, particularly if they are being powered up by a rage or haste spell, because in this state they would tear right through everything in their path. If triggered however, The magic bomb would stop them in their tracks, and cause the spell to be wasted. It's simply an added measure to help keep the Doom Knight from being an OP troop
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Share your thoughts and opinions :)

Also, if you ever want to contact me in game look up the clan Ultimate Ninjaz, of which I am the leader; Master Ninja

I like the idea and the art, just raise the trading cost by 500 per level.

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Originally Posted by Jackdopp

I like the idea and the art, just raise the trading cost by 500 per level.

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500 seems really high in my opinion, I've adjusted to increases of 300 instead

Nice, unique idea, and nice concept art too.

My only problem is the upgrade cost seems very low for the last dark troop. I mean, golems cost that much and they are the fourth dark troop. The tenth one should cost 150k+ to upgrade IMO.

But its interesting to think of this replacing gowipe if it is the dark version of pekka. I can see it now, the th11 meta. Gowido!

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Originally Posted by charizzle

Nice, unique idea, and nice concept art too.

My only problem is the upgrade cost seems very low for the last dark troop. I mean, golems cost that much and they are the fourth dark troop. The tenth one should cost 150k+ to upgrade IMO.

But its interesting to think of this replacing gowipe if it is the dark version of pekka. I can see it now, the th11 meta. Gowido!

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The exact cost for the upgrade can be up for speculation 150k actually sounds like a much more fitting cost, what I have right was actually based off the cost of the golem. I'll change it to 100k and 150k thanks for the feedback

And ♥♥♥♥ "GOWIDO" right?!! Or even "GOWIWIDO" haha I think it'd fit in really well

Despite the fact this troop could be very far away, it is a very nice concept, and I enjoy the time you put into it. 10/10 for me.

I'm impressed! You put in a lot of thought and time and it looks and sounds great. Just a few small changes to things like upgrade cost and I think we may see your idea come into actual game play one day👍🏼

Not bad, I quite like the concept.

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Originally Posted by elogan88

I'm impressed! You put in a lot of thought and time and it looks and sounds great. Just a few small changes to things like upgrade cost and I think we may see your idea come into actual game play one day👍🏼

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Second time the upgrade cost has been said it could use adjustments lol. What do you think sounds reasonable? 150k at lvl 2 and 200k at lvl 3?And thanks for the positive feedback :)

Appreciate the vibe guys I'm glad that you like the idea, I did put a lot of thought into it.... would love to see a troop like this in game someday

It should be more distinct than the valkyrie

Love the name, love the concept, although I'm not 100% sold on the first ability. I think the second ability is great though. Well done, sir!

👍🏾 for me
Simple and unique
Appreciate the well made post as well

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Originally Posted by WhatwouldJesusdo

It should be more distinct than the valkyrie

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What do you think could improve the attack type or make it more distinct? Originally I liked the idea of the troop doing a valkyrie like swing as a "wind up" that dealt minor damage followed by a heavy overhead smash that dealt even more damage than pekka..... however I favor the current set up I have it with.

Having the valks attack type gives it a sense of familiarity to players, it'd be easier for supercell to program, and makes more sense for the troop given its as slow as a balloon. If it could only take out one building at a time it'd be a bit impractical to use.

Also, with the pekka still being superior in dps and in movement speed this troop wouldn't take away any relevance from it. I don't want the dark alternative to completely blow the pekka out of the water and have it's only disadvantage being a higher cost.

I think this set up is a practical and overall balanced one, and gives both the pekka and doom knight strategic value for different raid set ups

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Originally Posted by FlyAutumn

Love the name, love the concept, although I'm not 100% sold on the first ability. I think the second ability is great though. Well done, sir!

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Consider this about the first ability.... At max level the doomknight deals 1400 per hit to walls (but doesn't target them specifically).... in order to break through a max 11 level wall (7000 hp) it would take 5 doom knights hitting it all at once (which takes 175 army space and costs 5500 dark to build)

Also remember, doom knights are weak to wizard towers so if they are ever bunched up like this they are very vulnerable to the wiz tower's splash attack (especially if getting hit by more than one)

One could argue that a rage spell would make them op which to a point is true.... but if you rage doom knights and they hit the magic bomb they'd get stunned for 4 seconds and the spell would pretty much be wasted

Also consider this, with the same amount of troop space (175) 7 max pekkas also one shot max level walls (they deal 7560 per hit while the doom knights deal exactly 7000). The pekkas (if all remain alive) deal 7560 to everything though, The 5 doom knights would only deal 7000 to walls, against everything else they'd only deal a combined 3500 damage which is less than half the damage output of the 7 pekkas..... BUT unlike pekkas they hit multiple targets at once. That's their primary advantage over pekkas, and gives them a slight strategic edge.

If you look at things from this perspective you'll see that the double damage against walls is necessary for the doom knights to have.

3 maxed DK would one shot lvl 8 and lvl 9 walls (105 troop space)

4 maxed would one shot lvl 10 walls (140 troop space)

And 5 maxed would one shot lvl 11 walls (175 troop space)

Again though, in order to one shot walls they need to be bunched together and this makes them vulnerable.... takes a careful strategy to utilize

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Originally Posted by Jahboy777

👍🏾 for me
Simple and unique
Appreciate the well made post as well

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Thanks for the compliments :)

First of all, great thread and well balenced idea! :thumbsup:

But the troop doesn't have that special unique ability, it's just a cross between a few different troops. A bit of a wall breaker and a bit of a balloon...

I loved the idea. The thread is also very well explained but if you could add a FAQ section, it would be great.
Again, it's one of the best ideas I have ever seen. The concept art is amazing and so is the troop itself. It's very balanced and like you already said, this would not make PEKKA useless. So 10/10 from my side. I wish this troop gets added to the game!

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Originally Posted by sujalthelost

I loved the idea. The thread is also very well explained but if you could add a FAQ section, it would be great.
Again, it's one of the best ideas I have ever seen. The concept art is amazing and so is the troop itself. It's very balanced and like you already said, this would not make PEKKA useless. So 10/10 from my side. I wish this troop gets added to the game!

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Didn't even think about a FAQ section but I like that idea a lot, I'll add one to the thread soon, and thanks for the positive feedback glad you like the concept

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Originally Posted by Livvyboss

First of all, great thread and well balenced idea! :thumbsup:

But the troop doesn't have that special unique ability, it's just a cross between a few different troops. A bit of a wall breaker and a bit of a balloon...

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The troop it actually most resembles is the PEKKA, as it's strategic use for raids is near the same thing.... it fills that high damage/tanking powerhouse role, which we don't have in The dark barracks at this time.

The only thing similar about this troop to a balloon is it's movement speed, but it doesn't target defenses, nor does it target walls so it's not like a wallbreaker either. The reason why it does more damage to walls is because otherwise it would have a very hard time breaking through them at the higher levels (and at 35 housing this would take away from it's practical use in raids).

It is true that it doesn't possess anything ground-breaking as an ability, and it is ultimately a hybrid of things that already exist in the game..... BUT that makes it fit in rather well with the already established troops. Simplicity doesn't mean an idea is mediocre, and something doesn't have to be complex to be unique.

One thing the doom knight does have though that I think stands out is it's self destruct upon death.... at the max level its almost as strong as a level 1 lightning spell

I like the whole idea. You made the whole thread seem very sophisticated and well-written, which is what we all look for in an idea.

Your idea is more of a hybrid, as you say, and very simple; Crosses between multiple troops to make a troop with a purpose, unlike many other ideas that give a few crosses, and their purposes become obvious and dumb. The purpose of this troop is obvious, for it could be used the same as a Pekka/Wallbreaker/Valkyrie. People would need to decide how many Doom Knights they need for a raid.

This troop would be a break through in housing space, as it would be the biggest troop in the game. This troop seems very balanced, people would need to figure out how to keep them away from Wizard Towers or other magic defenses/traps currently, or the possible future.

The only concerns I have about this troop:

I'm honestly confused about why the troop will explode upon Death. I can't see any description about the Doom Knight suggesting that it is some kind of mechanical-Type troop, why would it explode? My current troop idea has the explosion feature upon Death, and I wouldn't want anyone copying one of my troop statistics...


But anyways, I like the idea of a new Dark Tank/Offensive-Type troop coming to Clash, good luck with it :)

Looks really good :) you are aware we are awaiting dark barracks level7 not 6?? :smirk:

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Originally Posted by J1M808

Looks really good :) you are aware we are awaiting dark barracks level7 not 6?? :smirk:

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Yeah I know that, think you misread what I put.... I said "I know we're currently only at a dark Barracks lvl 6" meaning we have everything up to lvl 6, so the dark Barracks 7 is obviously the next one :p

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Originally Posted by jaronhudson15

I like the whole idea. You made the whole thread seem very sophisticated and well-written, which is what we all look for in an idea.

Your idea is more of a hybrid, as you say, and very simple; Crosses between multiple troops to make a troop with a purpose, unlike many other ideas that give a few crosses, and their purposes become obvious and dumb. The purpose of this troop is obvious, for it could be used the same as a Pekka/Wallbreaker/Valkyrie. People would need to decide how many Doom Knights they need for a raid.

This troop would be a break through in housing space, as it would be the biggest troop in the game. This troop seems very balanced, people would need to figure out how to keep them away from Wizard Towers or other magic defenses/traps currently, or the possible future.

The only concerns I have about this troop:

I'm honestly confused about why the troop will explode upon Death. I can't see any description about the Doom Knight suggesting that it is some kind of mechanical-Type troop, why would it explode? My current troop idea has the explosion feature upon Death, and I wouldn't want anyone copying one of my troop statistics...


But anyways, I like the idea of a new Dark Tank/Offensive-Type troop coming to Clash, good luck with it :)

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I don't think the idea of a self destruction ability is anything new, I'm sure it's been brought up before plenty of times here on the forums.... I just think it'd be a cool ability for the doom knight to have and gives it something else about it to make it stand out from the PEKKA.

As far as why he blows up, I guess it'd be because he's an undead being held together by dark magic, so when he dies that dark energy gets released....

I was a big fan of Diablo II back in the day, and I had the necromancer's corpse explosion ability in mind when I pictured the doom knight blowing up

I'd describe the animation for it as a blast of dark purple fire with bits of armor, spikes, and bone splinters as shrapnel

This idea seems very well balanced because if magic didn't do extra damage they would just be op. This way you need to be careful about where you deploy them.

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Originally Posted by danielz3d

This idea seems very well balanced because if magic didn't do extra damage they would just be op. This way you need to be careful about where you deploy them.

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That's the idea, I also chose wiz as the one to be it's weakness because wiz tower's do splash damage, so if a group of doom knights are ever bunched together (which is how they do the most damage) they are also really vulnerable

The addition of the magic stun bomb is also crucial, The 4 second stun could be a death sentence, but because any troop can trigger it if you were to attack with Doom knights you could always try to scout for it before dropping any.... wait too long though and they won't get much done due to their slow moving speed

I love this idea and the look of the troop. I would like to see this put into the game. The only thing i would change is maybe the attack animation idea and the troop cost.:)

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Originally Posted by Athisell

I love this idea and the look of the troop. I would like to see this put into the game. The only thing i would change is maybe the attack animation idea and the troop cost.:)

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What do you picture the attack animation as? I picture it as him swinging the ball and chain around in a circle with a kind of colossal wrecking ball smash for it's sound effect. Maybe throw in the undertone of a ghastly undead hiss along with it. What would you suggest it be?

And what do you suggest for the troop cost? 1100 at max imo is pricey.... but encourages the use of only a few, and not too often

FAQ section now added to this thread :)

Very detailed.. And just great!

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

I don't think the idea of a self destruction ability is anything new, I'm sure it's been brought up before plenty of times here on the forums.... I just think it'd be a cool ability for the doom knight to have and gives it something else about it to make it stand out from the PEKKA.

As far as why he blows up, I guess it'd be because he's an undead being held together by dark magic, so when he dies that dark energy gets released....

I was a big fan of Diablo II back in the day, and I had the necromancer's corpse explosion ability in mind when I pictured the doom knight blowing up

I'd describe the animation for it as a blast of dark purple fire with bits of armor, spikes, and bone splinters as shrapnel

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Well of course that kind of ability is not something new, but I was explaining how I wouldn't like it because it would copy a statistic from my troop idea. Maybe instead of having a self destruct feature, perhaps you could have something that completely stops defenses around it for a short amount of time, or have the defense that killed it stop for a certain time.

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Originally Posted by jaronhudson15

Well of course that kind of ability is not something new, but I was explaining how I wouldn't like it because it would copy a statistic from my troop idea. Maybe instead of having a self destruct feature, perhaps you could have something that completely stops defenses around it for a short amount of time, or have the defense that killed it stop for a certain time.

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I agree, make it stop defenses for awhile.. Too similar to our idea....

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Originally Posted by jaronhudson15

Well of course that kind of ability is not something new, but I was explaining how I wouldn't like it because it would copy a statistic from my troop idea. Maybe instead of having a self destruct feature, perhaps you could have something that completely stops defenses around it for a short amount of time, or have the defense that killed it stop for a certain time.

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You just said yourself the idea for a self destruct ability isn't anything new, but your tone here is still suggesting as if I have hijacked an idea from you somehow; I haven't..... I like the Doom Knight the way it is, and I'm not going to tweak anything on this thread unless it's for a legitimate flaw that makes the troop too OP or imbalanced.

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

I agree, make it stop defenses for awhile.. Too similar to our idea....

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I didn't come up the stats for this troop based off anything you or anyone else has posted, so I'm not going to change anything about it just because someone thinks I've copied them in some way.

I'm concerned because I think the SD ability is unnecessary. The Doom Knight has quite a bit of Hitpoints, and definitely has no problem getting through walls. With the easy-breaching aspect along with the DPS, I believe the SD ability would be too powerful; It can get through walls quite easily, and has 280DPS, so destroying structures around it would be easy as well. With the 200DPS explosion when the Doom Knight is killed, I believe it's too powerful.
I know you never intended to copy an aspect of my troop idea, but it is quite rude and unfair to me and Antdroid to keep the aspect in your idea even if you know it's from someone else's...

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Originally Posted by jaronhudson15

I'm concerned because I think the SD ability is unnecessary. The Doom Knight has quite a bit of Hitpoints, and definitely has no problem getting through walls. With the easy-breaching aspect along with the DPS, I believe the SD ability would be too powerful; It can get through walls quite easily, and has 280DPS, so destroying structures around it would be easy as well. With the 200DPS explosion when the Doom Knight is killed, I believe it's too powerful.
I know you never intended to copy an aspect of my troop idea, but it is quite rude and unfair to me and Antdroid to keep the aspect in your idea even if you know it's from someone else's...

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Again.... I haven't taken anything from you and tried to run with it as my own, I don't even know what your troop concept is.... so there isn't anything rude going on here.... but if you keep trying to suggest I've copied you in some way then that is something I will take as being rude.

As far as the SD being op goes, I disagree. At max level it can only do 250, which is very strong but not strong enough to destroy anything outright on it's own. The ONLY time I see it being somewhat OP would be if someone had it in their clan castle because whatever melee troops are hitting it will probably get taken out when it dies (mainly barbs).... but this only affects ground troops, annnd if someone used a doom knight in their castle it's because they have a max castle (so chances are it's going to fight against higher level troops like pekkas or a witches skeletons), and keep in mind choosing a DK means having no room for anything else.

The Doom Knight takes up 35 army space for just one, and only has 10 movement speed along with a slow attack speed.... these are huge drawbacks, and I think to make these drawbacks worth dealing with the troop you get in return should be as powerful as possible

I have a question; Since the DK will take 5x more damage from magic-type defenses, will Wizards/Witches also deal 5x more damage if they were to be defending in the CC? Or will the Wizard Towers only affect them?

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Originally Posted by jaronhudson15

I have a question; Since the DK will take 5x more damage from magic-type defenses, will Wizards/Witches also deal 5x more damage if they were to be defending in the CC? Or will the Wizard Towers only affect them?

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It says in the post no... :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by charizzle

It says in the post no... :facepalm:

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Exactly.... thank you

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

Appreciate the vibe guys I'm glad that you like the idea, I did put a lot of thought into it.... would love to see a troop like this in game someday

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I think the x5 attack damage from wizards would make the Doom Knight to vulnerable and that it should only be x3 or something like that just an idea hope this troop does get added though good luck!

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Originally Posted by CrimsonWaffle

I think the x5 attack damage from wizards would make the Doom Knight to vulnerable and that it should only be x3 or something like that just an idea hope this troop does get added though good luck!

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A max wiz tower would only do 300 per hit to a doom knight, which at max level has 4000 life. I think this strikes a pretty solid balance since there are 4 wiz towers to plan around. You could use lightning to bring down 2, use healing or rage to support the Doom Knights, or keep wiz towers distracted with other troops like a golem

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

Didn't even think about a FAQ section but I like that idea a lot, I'll add one to the thread soon, and thanks for the positive feedback glad you like the concept

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I am really keen to see it in game.
Can you please check my Wrath Spell. Link is in my signature.
Thanks
Sujal

Love the art. Just raise the price somewhat. A DB 7-8 will probably be 500 DE. Needs to cost more.

A non idiotic/overpowered troop idea. I like it

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Originally Posted by Theking8133

Love the art. Just raise the price somewhat. A DB 7-8 will probably be 500 DE. Needs to cost more.

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I've slightly adjusted the cost now

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Originally Posted by rax9

A non idiotic/overpowered troop idea. I like it

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Haha thank you, glad the idea appeals to you

Keep up the good work :)

I added a new weakness to this concept to add to its overall balance...... haste spells would have no effect on Doom Knights. Due to the fact that haste spells increase troop speed so much, it would completely remove one of the main counterbalances to this troop's immense strength, and considering you can have like 10 of these spells doom knights that could use haste would be rigged.

(Doom Knights can use rage though)

I've changed the self destruct ability of this troop to no longer be a direct damage dealer, but instead to cause an effect for 5 seconds

Eh. Its OK i guess, but why steal the valkirie attack?

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

Eh. Its OK i guess, but why steal the valkirie attack?

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It's using an attack type players already know, but in a different way. Nothing wrong with that..... no different than a golem stealing a giants ability to target defenses. Similar function, different way of doing it

Self destruct returned to its original damage dealing version..... The amplify damage effect would've been too strong imo

I guess it is ok to copy Valk's attack, PEKKA's stats, and Balloon's explosion..

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

I guess it is ok to copy Valk's attack, PEKKA's stats, and Balloon's explosion..

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It's a hybrid of things that already exist in game to put together a new troop, which I think would be useful and fun to use

Not really "copying" any stats though, everything it has are unique to itself

Good idea, I like it!

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Originally Posted by Deathlordindigo

Good idea, I like it!

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I'm glad that you do :)

I'd love to see this troop in the game someday

I can't see it as a th11 troop. That would be 4 new troops in 2 town hall lvls. That is just too much. I see it as this: Dark Barracks lv.7+8 th10, lv.9 th11 and maybe in the next few years lvl.10 at th12. Crazy to think abut it but it might even have to be th10 lv.7, th11 lv.8, th12 lv.9 and THEN th (I can't belive it either, but Supercell dug this hole for themselves w/ the introduction of 10 NEW troops, starting at th7 [normal barracks was started at th1 and got last troop at th7 I think] so expect th)13 lv.10. If it progresses like this we still have a bit to wait. Another thing is the design is more like the th9 design, but it's still cool. Other then this, I would love to see the other Dark Barracks lvls in different threads by you, your ideas are very impressive (and art)

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Originally Posted by 1sol2ja3boy

I can't see it as a th11 troop. That would be 4 new troops in 2 town hall lvls. That is just too much. I see it as this: Dark Barracks lv.7+8 th10, lv.9 th11 and maybe in the next few years lvl.10 at th12. Crazy to think abut it but it might even have to be th10 lv.7, th11 lv.8, th12 lv.9 and THEN th (I can't belive it either, but Supercell dug this hole for themselves w/ the introduction of 10 NEW troops, starting at th7 [normal barracks was started at th1 and got last troop at th7 I think] so expect th)13 lv.10. If it progresses like this we still have a bit to wait. Another thing is the design is more like the th9 design, but it's still cool. Other then this, I would love to see the other Dark Barracks lvls in different threads by you, your ideas are very impressive (and art)

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I very much appreciate the compliments bud, spent a lot of time coming up with the ideas as well as the art. Hmmmm based on the strength of the troop I think it still makes more sense to have it as the final dark troop.

It makes sense to have 4 new dark troops in 2 th levels because that would follow the trend already in place: minions and hogs at th7, valks and golems at th 8, witches and lava hounds at th 9..... 2 more should come at th 10, followed by the last 2 at th 11.

I don't think we'll ever see a th 12 or 13 unless supercell adds significant changes to the game in order to create more space on the map, and if that were the case they'd probably introduce a new barracks type structure altogether.

For cool ideas for the Lvl 7 dark troop, check out my Destroyer concept, my Tangler concept, or something like smasher's "Mirror Knight" concept

For the level 8 Dark Troop I'd honestly love to see something like jahboy777's Minotaur idea, while for the level 9 troop I think it would be cool to see a dark kind of wizard or a hydra troop..... followed by the Doom Knight last

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

I very much appreciate the compliments bud, spent a lot of time coming up with the ideas as well as the art. Hmmmm based on the strength of the troop I think it still makes more sense to have it as the final dark troop.

It makes sense to have 4 new dark troops in 2 th levels because that would follow the trend already in place: minions and hogs at th7, valks and golems at th 8, witches and lava hounds at th 9..... 2 more should come at th 10, followed by the last 2 at th 11.

I don't think we'll ever see a th 12 or 13 unless supercell adds significant changes to the game in order to create more space on the map, and if that were the case they'd probably introduce a new barracks type structure altogether.

For cool ideas for the Lvl 7 dark troop, check out my Destroyer concept, my Tangler concept, or something like smasher's "Mirror Knight" concept

For the level 8 Dark Troop I'd honestly love to see something like jahboy777's Minotaur idea, while for the level 9 troop I think it would be cool to see a dark kind of wizard or a hydra troop..... followed by the Doom Knight last

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I had no idea that the dark troops have been 2per th, but it makes sense now that you mention it. If you dont mind checking out my dark troop and hero to help me iron out some bugs, that would be great. I don't have links to them so you might have to go through my profile. Or it's in the top area

I am very fond of this troop concept and would love to see it in game, but does anyone have any suggestions on it?

Is this a balanced troop overall or are there stats that could be adjusted to make it even better?

In 2018- WE HAVE A NEW TROOP WE FOUND THE IDEA ON THE FORUMS 3 YEARS AGO...

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Originally Posted by Jackdopp

In 2018- WE HAVE A NEW TROOP WE FOUND THE IDEA ON THE FORUMS 3 YEARS AGO...

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Lol I'm guessing that's good sign?

Any other feedback on this idea? Id love to see it in Clash in the future.... hopefully other people would too

Don't bump your own thread, People will look at it. It's possible many ideas are being Considered, including this one.

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Originally Posted by jaronhudson15

Don't bump your own thread, People will look at it. It's possible many ideas are being Considered, including this one.

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I don't think its bumping if I dont do it often, if I was on every day doing that I think it'd be annoying....

Im just looking for other opinions, from others who probably haven't seen the thread yet

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

I don't think its bumping if I dont do it often, if I was on every day doing that I think it'd be annoying....

Im just looking for other opinions, from others who probably haven't seen the thread yet

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It is not bumping... It's necroing, which is worse....

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

It is not bumping... It's necroing, which is worse....

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Im not familiar with what that is

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

Im not familiar with what that is

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Reviving an old thread... Like if a thread is 3 weeks old and is on page 2, the owner posts on his thread, bringing it to the front page....

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

Reviving an old thread... Like if a thread is 3 weeks old and is on page 2, the owner posts on his thread, bringing it to the front page....

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Same thing as bumping..... not something I wanna do often but I would like to see other opinions from other people if theres anything that could improve on this idea or if theres something that could be changed to make it more balanced

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Originally Posted by Asmdus88

Same thing as bumping..... not something I wanna do often but I would like to see other opinions from other people if theres anything that could improve on this idea or if theres something that could be changed to make it more balanced

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Necroing is reviving threads.... Bumping is to increase post count of the thread and put it on the top page....

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

Necroing is reviving threads.... Bumping is to increase post count of the thread and put it on the top page....

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Basically just saying the idea is dead, let it sit and be dead because its no good? I disagree. Dont post on the thread unless you have something constructive to suggest or have a legitimate criticism of the concept.

Make a change, add some features, or restructure your idea. THEN notify people about the changes.
Don't just ask people for more feedback

Good luck

The idea is good, But the appearance (look) of the doom knight is not good -_-

I don't think this is OP, Average. Good one !

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Originally Posted by Jahboy777

Make a change, add some features, or restructure your idea. THEN notify people about the changes.
Don't just ask people for more feedback

Good luck

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I'll think of things to add, thanks

May I suggest that it's attack is half of the Valkyrie spin? Like it hits the buildings in front of it, and to some extent the left and right of it, but not behind it??

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

May I suggest that it's attack is half of the Valkyrie spin? Like it hits the buildings in front of it, and to some extent the left and right of it, but not behind it??

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Do you think that improves on the usefulness of the troop?

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Do you think that improves on the usefulness of the troop?

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I think it would be more realistic, plus it would be a extremely small nerf, making barely a difference.......

I think this troop is cool. I would love to upgrade to max dark barracks, and pile drive bases with this undead warrior.

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

I think it would be more realistic, plus it would be a extremely small nerf, making barely a difference.......

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I will consider this as a possible nerf, but idk if its neccesary the valk spin is something ppl are already familiar with so in a way its kind of keeping a sense of familiarity regarding what to expect when attacking

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I think this troop is cool. I would love to upgrade to max dark barracks, and pile drive bases with this undead warrior.

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Glad the idea appeals to you, id also love to upgrade into having these at some point

I've edited the doom knight to do 1.5 damage vs walls instead of 2.0 damage, also added in the idea for the spike trap as an additional weakness (though this would affect golems and pekkas too)

Debating over the 1.5 or 2.0 damage enhancement to walls, decided that 2.0 is still a more practical way to set up the troop.... FAQ section explains why.

Also, if both the spike trap and magic bomb get incorporated to act as a balancing tool for the doom knight, having 2 magic bombs on the map would be too much of a counter imo.... so ive edited it to suggest there only be 1 magic bomb, and 2 spike traps.

Max doom knights only have 4,000 hp afterall, so its really strong.... but hardly invincible; ecspecially against higher level defenses

Made some pretty drastic changes to this troop in terms of hp to where it could arguably be considered an alternative meatshield to a golem; also changed it to have a total of 4 levels instead of 3....

Anyone wanna share thoughts on these changes?? Do you think its overall a better troop for th11 or does it seem too powerful?? Its basically a pekka-golem that attacks like a valk lol

Also im thinking of updating the artwork once I get my laptop up and running again... thinking about the color scheme and possibly having him with a cape... open to suggestions on that

Now that I've looked at this thread a few more times, I don't really see anything new that this troop could bring to the game besides a giant Housing Space and extra damage to walls... It is a combination of many other troops, which isn't new, and isn't different from any of the troops in which this troop came from.

I don't feel we need a troop that is giant, can do more damage do walls, serve as a minor tank, or Self Destruct upon death, because we already have troops like this; I don't believe we need a troop with added factors that suggest what is currently made up in modern armies.

Big Housing space/Tank-Golem. Self Destruct on death-Balloon. More damage to walls-Wallbreakers, Minor Tank/Offense-Pekka. This is everything needed in an army, but with less effect and increased housing space. I don't think it would serve too well now that I've looked at it more closely, especially at TH11 since it brings us nothing new accept for all the different troop statistics within.

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Originally Posted by jaronhudson15

Now that I've looked at this thread a few more times, I don't really see anything new that this troop could bring to the game besides a giant Housing Space and extra damage to walls... It is a combination of many other troops, which isn't new, and isn't different from any of the troops in which this troop came from.

I don't feel we need a troop that is giant, can do more damage do walls, serve as a minor tank, or Self Destruct upon death, because we already have troops like this; I don't believe we need a troop with added factors that suggest what is currently made up in modern armies.

Big Housing space/Tank-Golem. Self Destruct on death-Balloon. More damage to walls-Wallbreakers, Minor Tank/Offense-Pekka. This is everything needed in an army, but with less effect and increased housing space. I don't think it would serve too well now that I've looked at it more closely, especially at TH11 since it brings us nothing new accept for all the different troop statistics within.

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Appreciate the criticism and your point of view on it, but I really disagree. I think this would be an awesome heavy hitter type troop to add into the game, which in the dark Barracks we have nothing like that yet. Its similar to other troops in certain ways, but still different enough to be a unique stand alone troop that can be used in different attack strategies/army set ups.

Imo its not op, it's similarities just make it easier to use, and overall it'd be a fitting final troop to have at th11

The doom knight could deal splash damage like the mega pekka... Of course less damage, but same area damage.
Look at clash con fun cw mild aggression vs. Clash developer team

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Originally Posted by pixlon

The doom knight could deal splash damage like the mega pekka... Of course less damage, but same area damage.
Look at clash con fun cw mild aggression vs. Clash developer team

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Lol I'm not familiar with that. This troop idea does deal less damage than a pekka though

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Lol I'm not familiar with that. This troop idea does deal less damage than a pekka though

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The mega pekka was a joke at clash con. The developer team used these huge pekkas in a fun cw to destroy whole areas of a base... For example the mega pekka hits a elixir storage and the walls and buildings behind it were destroyed, too.

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The mega pekka was a joke at clash con. The developer team used these huge pekkas in a fun cw to destroy whole areas of a base... For example the mega pekka hits a elixir storage and the walls and buildings behind it were destroyed, too.

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Well yeah the doom knight is a similar idea to that, but not quite that ridiculously strong lol

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Now that I've looked at this thread a few more times, I don't really see anything new that this troop could bring to the game besides a giant Housing Space and extra damage to walls... It is a combination of many other troops, which isn't new, and isn't different from any of the troops in which this troop came from.

I don't feel we need a troop that is giant, can do more damage do walls, serve as a minor tank, or Self Destruct upon death, because we already have troops like this; I don't believe we need a troop with added factors that suggest what is currently made up in modern armies.

Big Housing space/Tank-Golem. Self Destruct on death-Balloon. More damage to walls-Wallbreakers, Minor Tank/Offense-Pekka. This is everything needed in an army, but with less effect and increased housing space. I don't think it would serve too well now that I've looked at it more closely, especially at TH11 since it brings us nothing new accept for all the different troop statistics within.

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I kind of agree... But that might be a bit drastic...

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Originally Posted by Antdroid

I kind of agree... But that might be a bit drastic...

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I'd say far too drastic, this is a pretty solid concept and would fit pretty well into the game imo. I'm sure other people would agree

I think this troops high space is significantly countered by the new eagle artillery, so I'm giving him an even stronger edge on damage output than before. I'm also extending his reach to be 2.0 space in radius (farther reaching than a valk)

Effectively he should be a troop that can wipe out multiple buildings in just 2-3 hits. This is balanced by his high space, 10 movement speed, and weakness to wizard towers and magic bomb trap. (Also since theres a new wizard tower on the map and they go to lvl 9 the doom knight is getting an hp boost)

Regarding the magic bomb trap I think there should only be one on the map.

Haste spells did not affect the doom knight before, but I think I'll do away with that drawback.

Any opinions on these changes? What do you guys think of this as an idea for our final dark troop in the game?

i really like this idea and would like to showcase it in YouTube

this troops is to powerful and your saying an outragous price to upgrade it and from lvl 1 it is 800 then lvl2 its 1050 thats to steep of a hill to go up bro but cool thought... look at my idea its near the top its called: The Harpy - Not OP - rough draft - Good Addition to COC

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this troops is to powerful and your saying an outragous price to upgrade it and from lvl 1 it is 800 then lvl2 its 1050 thats to steep of a hill to go up bro but cool thought... look at my idea its near the top its called: The Harpy - Not OP - rough draft - Good Addition to COC

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Appreciate your feedback on the concept, I disagree that its too expensive though or too op. It's supposed to be the very last dark troop, so it will only be available at th11 meaning it has to be strong enough to take on the most advanced bases.

His slow speed and high troop space are countered perfectly by the new eagle artillery, so I actually gave him an hp and damage buff after the recent update. He is ridiculously strong, but has significant drawbacks that balance him out.

Him being super expensive adds to the sense of achievement of unlocking/upgrading him imo, and his high cost to produce will help discourage players from overusing the troop

(Also the jump in cost isnt as drastic as you read it, 1050 is his lvl 3 cost at lvl 2 its 925)

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i really like this idea and would like to showcase it in YouTube

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I'm glad you like the concept and I'm totally cool with it being show cased further :)

I know necroing isn't allowed, but I made some new artwork for this old thread I'd like to show off, and also tweaked some stats on it to adjust for th12...... Plz don't hang me admins lol not going to necro it again I promise

thi guy s should be in super cell to implement it

how you have make a poll here.

Hahahaha I wish I could work at supercell and make cool stuff like the doom knight for clash.... butttttt i have like zero programming experience whatsoever so yeah all ive got is my imagination hahaha.