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I'm a brand new th9 and I would like to use the "Super Queen" Farming strategy. As I said though I'm a new th9 and my queen is only lvl 1. At what level is the queen strong enough to make this strategy viable?
Also if anyone doesn't know super queen is a farming strategy in which you funnel your queen towards the dark elixir storage using jump, minions, and wallbreakers. The whole time your queen is kept alive by 7-10 healers as she marches her way towards the center.
level 1 you still have a LOOONG way to go. I wouldn't worry about it but in my opinion, at least 25 or 30
To use it at all I'd say she needs to be at least lvl 5 so she has her ability. However, a queen that low shouldn't go up against super high leveled defenses.
If you do decide to use super queen, take along a few rage spells. When she's getting pummeled and the healers are having trouble keeping up, rage the healers. Can really help keep her alive in a tough situation.
atleast 25, if not she wont be able to hold up agenst a single one point defence
You are going to have to wait a bit. She won't have the power to get to the de before time runs out even if she does survive.
Any level queen can basically be kept alive with enough healers it just changes how much damage you do to a base. We have people in our clan who play with it around ~10 but for the bases they can hit they would generally be much better using a different strat. I've run it at high teens and often end up around 40% with de against a decent th9.
Lvl 16 queen 6 lvl 4 healers 6 breakers the rest archers.
I can get to the core of nearly any th9 to steal the de.
Probably a 90% sucess rate.
I started doing it with a lvl 17 queen and 8 healers, the only limit is time. You get the odd 45% once in a while but I would say I 2 star near max th9s more often than not. You can gut a th8 pretty quick with a lvl 17 queen.
You able to keep the healers on the queen with archers running around everywhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by CnConrad
I was doing it with a 19 AQ 8 healers 6 wb and rest minions. I could core a max th9 easily, just be careful if both heroes start attacking your AQ along with the def.
You need to get her higher level because of her DPS. At lower levels, she takes too long to destroy buildings/defenses. It's not just about keeping her alive. But level 5 minimum. If you are hitting TH8s, then probably get away with it.
I do it all the time with my level 32 AQ and 8 healers. Pretty much unstoppable against a TH9(im a TH10 of course). Ive come across dragons, etc, no problem. The biggest problem is a CC full of archers believe it or not, killing 30 archers takes awhile. I usually get the TH and around 56%.
Depends on the base level you face. If you are attacking low th9 then 10-15 queen should do. If you are attacking mid-max th9 then she needs to be in the 20s
Ive been able to take care of archers pretty easily with a poison. Tho I don't know that Ive ever had to deal with a completely full cc. Pekkas or lavahounds in the CC are an instant "end battle". I also try to avoid any base where I will have to deal with both heroes at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micker99
I can't wait for higher level heroes, but I've done quite well with this tactic since about 5.
Now, level 5 quite well and level 25 quite well are assuredly VERY different.
For me 2 to 3 thousand de per raid is not too shabby, adds up and keeps that queen asleep at these lower levels I am still at.
I usually use it on late stage th8's to get at those nice full elixir storages in addition to the DE while they grind on walls like I did (and endured the same slaughters while finishing all the walls).
I take 8 max healers, rest archers. Sometimes jump spells, sometimes wall breakers. Clean a side well with the archers to get her to punch in to the middle where you need her.
Moral of this long, tangential, post - Get those lvl 6 giants going and mess up some fools for all they're worth until your queen gets to where you're having fun doing this.
They completly ignore the archers for me as long as i drop the queen first.Quote:
Originally Posted by BARONMUADIB
Lvl 15 is the bare minimum... So I hear. Better to use at a higher ability Lvl though. Higher the queen the better.
I'd say level 15 minimum.
Good to know, would be nice to have a full pink lix army.Quote:
Originally Posted by CnConrad
I do it the other way. I 2 finger swipe all of my archers in a line on whichever side I want to penetrate from. I let them do their thing, after 30-40 seconds or so once they are all dead I'll send the queen and follow her with the 8 healers. With this method she never hooks nor slices in the dreaded arc around the outside.
15. That's where I started. She's 20 now, and I still have the occasional hiccup trying to core into a base after the DE.
Lil update here slightly off topic. Just did my first run with archers instead of minions. Works quite well :thumbsup:
You can do super queen, any lvl but most recommend lvl20+ but you can do lvl1 at your risk
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I started doing this with a level10 queen with minions and also stock jump spells and poison .. Works great ... Usually only bases where a cc pekka or dragon hit you at the same time as Teslas added to the crossbow fire .. Can be a problem .
i do it for dark only and don't care if I win the raid .. Mid 40s percentage wise and getting the de is pretty usual.. Oh and I use minions for time .. I boost the barracks for the healers to get many raids per hour ... Walls that are Legos or better usually require two jump spells
How many Barracks do you boost and how often do you raid boosted? Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flubber41
It varies .. If I have two solid hours I will boost 4 barracks and gem minions if the dark barracks doesn't keep up. You can raid then about every 6-8 minutes ... My minimum is to have 8 healers but I sometimes will use up to 10 ....2000 de is my minimum and even though I don't have much use for reg elixir currently it's always great to pick up an incidental 100k to 300K.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManilaIce
i don't raid boosted all that often ... Maybe do it once or twice every week to ten days . I will probably boost more when my queen is awake now though.. I got my BK to level16 and the queen is at 12 and getting her to 15 is my priority right now .. While she is upgrading , I use mostly conventional elixir armies to try to get dark but it's slower going than super queen
I would look at other strategy for collecting de at this point for 2 reasons.
1. You should probably consider keeping your queen in upgrade permanently until you reach a level your happy with. you should work on your heros ahead of defences because they take the most time and effort to upgrade.
2. A low level AQ doesn't do enough damage to make queen healer effective. One of the biggest limitations of the strategy is the amount of time your queen will spend taking out all the buildings on the way to the de. You will likely find your healers capable of keeping her alive but you will run out of time.
I prefer gibarch as an effective de strategy. If your going with no hero's it will be spell heavy so worth boosting spell factory. A mix of heal, rage and jump spells should be used with Giants to distract splash while you rage your barbs and archers in to grab the de. Take care to funnel and and watch out for giant bombs
I've done it with a level10 queen, I would advise starting it at level10
I'd recommend lvl15. Going lower you would have to be more selctive with bases and use rage spells to increase damage output.
I started using AQ/Healer at lvl15 and taking on th9s with max level defenses.
I started using the super queen strategy last week when my queen hit level 35. I bring 10 healers, minions, and a few wallbreakers but only use 6-8 healers. My main targets are usually maxed th9's with full dark elixir storages.
id recomend having atleast a lvl 20 queen because if shes anything lower she wont be able to do much damage and the battle will timeout before you hit the dark elixir storage.
I am wondering how much nexting is needed to find suitable 2-3k DE bases?
As TH9 in C2 to M3 I do not see so many of them. Most 3k DE bases are TH10 with infernos.
At least 25.
I tried it with her for the first time at 30.
Did okay against a max TH10. Got 1 star as she avoided the jump spell.
I wouldn't suggest using super queen now, the AI isn't very good for it. I switched to loonion and had much more success.
I started using it at around level 15 but since the update where the air bombs don't get triggered by the healers it is my go to dark elixir strategy.
I would say any level from 10 onwards will get you the dark elixir providing you funnel well enough, it took me a while to figure out the best way to funnel the queen into the base and even now she will sometimes just have a brain fart and go and do something irrelevant......Ie skeleton traps take her off course.
My composition is a L20 AQ, 8 healers, 52 minions, and 12 wall breakers.......Some might say the minions are a waste of dark elixir but as I am in masters the bonus for winning covers that, whatever I get from the raid is pure profit. I usually boost all 4 barracks, spell factory and dark barracks per session and I'm able to attack every 8 minutes, which I can tell you results in a lot of dark. The only thing I have to worry about is gemming my archer queen back up after I've upgraded her to keep the dark elixir hunting going!
Spells I would take with me (But not necessarily use) are jump spells usually about 3, and a couple of posion spells for when you meet those horrible cc's of 30 archers!!!
People may say crystal is the place to farm, but being a th10 that is too low for me, too many th8's with the loot penalty makes crystal rubbish for this strategy for a th10, so I am up in masters 3 at the minute but plan on seeing what's about in masters 2.
How I use the strategy is as follows.
1. I look for any buildings in the corners or out of range of defences that can take out air troops, all exposed buildings i will drop a minion on to take out (those little percentages make a huge difference in getting the bonus)
2. Drop the archer queen on whatever side you want to go in from (usually the quickest root to the dark elixir storage) quickly followed by all 8 healers
3. Then drop all of the minions equally distributed to the sides of the archer queen, this means she will then head straight into the base rather than follow the outside buildings.
4. Straight after the deployment of the minions lay down all of your wall breakers or do it in pairs either/or as by this point hopefully all of the defences are taking on your Super Queen and break into the base. Now hopefully you should soon be in range of the dark elixir.
5. Use a jump spell where needed (especially when she starts bashing a wall to get her back on track.
It's very rare that I don't get a 2 star from this strategy and it's surprising how well 8 max healers can keep her going, especially with 2 level 3 xbows, 2 archer towers, a mortar, a wizard tower and some skellie traps all targeting her at once
My queen is now lvl17 but it has worked since I tried it when she was lvl15. I've seen replays of it working before then. To those saying lvl25 that's complete rubbish.
I've mentioned this before. With 8 healers it takes 4 point defences to cause her health to start dwindling. Plan this out to ensure that 4 point defences don't lock onto her for an extended period of time. With low level queen you have a much shorter period of time 4 point defences can lock onto her than with a high level queen. The other thing is she might take longer to reach the de and may run out of time (especially without a jump). Also with a low level queen enemy heroes (that are significantly higher level than her) might be a problem especially when several other point defences are locking onto her.
The long and the short is the lower level your queen is the more careful you have to be. I don't think there is any fixed cut off point really, just becomes harder and harder the lower she is.
probably your super queen isn't what we say super queenQuote:
Originally Posted by JonathanJimbo
I'm talking about 8 healers on my archer queen to get the de of a th9 sort of super queen.
Secondly my superqueen not for cups whatsoever, I'm usually ending the raid at 35% or so once I've got the de. I'm in silver by the way. Nexting is usually about 5 minutes to find a 2.5k de th9 base. If I left the queen going, I probably could get the 50% / th but why bother risking your queen dying for no extra loot once uv got the de.
Correct me if I'm wrong but superqueen originally came from the Powerbang gaming channel. He said he started it with a level 15 queen, although he posted a replay of his clan mates using a lvl 7 or lvl8 queen against a lower th9.
And to those who say the update killed superqueen, you're also wrong. Just bring a fricken jump spell if you're having problems with the queen refusing to target a wall.
I'm doing this in champs with a level 14 queen. My only concern is time as I do need to win the raid for trophies and the bonus. Most of my superqueen raids have been around 35% 1 star. I have failed a few due to poor funneling costing me 30+ trophies each.
I must be imagining mine standing up to 2-3 point defences at once then (Currently level 6, I started using it at level 5).Quote:
Originally Posted by Willivodka
So long as the healers are high enough level, they can keep her alive against quite a lot of defences, regardless of her level. She just needs to be high enough not to be killed outright between pulses.
It worked for me at AQ lvl 10, against Th8s & Th9s, both! Even against maxed Point defenses!
I'm with you, minus jump. Mine queen is 15 (working on BK to 20 and finishing up TH9 dark troops/spells)Quote:
I prefer gibarch as an effective de strategy. If your going with no hero's it will be spell heavy so worth boosting spell factory. A mix of heal, rage and jump spells should be used with Giants to distract splash while you rage your barbs and archers in to grab the de. Take care to funnel and and watch out for giant bombs
Gibarch to the DE, then drop the queen once you have a funnel to the DE. She rarely takes any damage after her ability, and if she does then she's usually healed up by the time the next round of gibarch is ready.
I agree with you, but 3 point defences should be fine (8 healers) unless the damage equivalent from splash damage equals a 4th point defence, or an air sweeper targets her. She will lose hp while moving forward (away from the healers) and will not recover it until the 3rd point defence has been removed (or her ability is used). If you have a beefy queen this shouldn't be an issue, but may be a problem to lower levelled queens. She will not heal however with 3 point defences, so she (or the minions) will need to remove the 3rd point defence so she can recover any lost health by moving forward. 4 will actively cause her health to decrease even without walking forward. The higher level your queen the more this can happen.With a beefy queen, you can survive 4 point defences for a longer period of time than with a low level queen thus making it more reliable. With my lvl17 queen I can estimate I have about 15 seconds or so this can happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexheney
If the 8th healer goes down to an air defence or whatever, you may need to worry about a 3rd point defence.
It would take about 10 point defences to take even a lvl1 archer queen down between pulses normally, but when she moves forward the healers need to catch up with her (and are not healing her for that time) and in that time a low levelled queen might die with less point defence but doubt it could really be an issue. The main problem is when 3-4 point defences lock onto her she will die quicker, as well as she deals less damage so time will be more of a concern.