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Hi Guys,
So i've heard people and their love for hogs at TH8:heart: Mine will be upgraded very soon to LVL4 so i can finally try some TH8 hog attacks...
I live by: "2 stars don't win wars, 3 stars does.." I would like to know what HOG COMBINATIONS are out there that I can use for a maxing/maxed th8 bases for war, and How i can tell if the base is "Hog-able" or not... ps..i nvr really used hogs at th7
Thank You for your suggestions!
-annie
Hogs are, in my mind, the strongest overall troop for a TH8 attack nowadays.
There are many variants of the attack, but on a simple hog run, my army is generally something like this:
4 barb, 3 archer, 1 giant, 7 wizards, and 31 hogs, with 5, L5 hogs in CC.
Biggest mistake I see far too often is too many wizards... If it wasn't for the CC, I wouldn't bring many wizards at all. Hogs make about as good a cleanup troop as you can get.
Basically, you want so many hogs that it works like this: hogs get to defense, it's destroyed, move on to the next one.
At TH9, I'm a fan of surgical hogs much more than I am at TH8. At TH8, it seems to me, in most situations, just blast away and let the hogs go. ~35 hogs are a mess for most TH8s to stop. It often requires a DGB to do so.
In most situations, and if the base calls for it, I work to keep (most/substantially all) my hogs together. This is often very, very hard, as the defenses are destroyed so quickly early on that hogs behind the first wave turn to a closer defense and they split on you. This isn't a bad thing per se, but it requires you to watch 2 groups now instead of one. When you can keep most of them together, it's often a thing of beauty...
OneHive and JTJU have some nice videos out there that walk you through various hog runs (here's a thread I found really fast about GoHo: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...a-k1323-kh1-ho) ). One of their members, I think it Colonel Mustard, did a really nice write-up on how to hog. Do a search and you should find it
Best way to use Hogs at TH8 imo, GoHo
2 Golems
14-16 Hogs
8-10 Wizards
6-8 Wallbreakers
1 Giant (or whatever you need to lure)
An clean up/CC anchor troops (Barb, Archer, Gobsm etc.)
For th8 hogging, your army comp depends very much on the base design. It would be optimal if you could kill the opponent BK and trigger some GBs while in the process of killing the BK. To do so, you would need at least 1 golem to tank for your troops while your kill squad goes in and dishes the damage
However, if the base you are attacking is so compact that there is no room for GBs, then I would go with 28 hogs, a couple of archers, and the balance, wizards
is it my skills? lol been literally doing so bad practicing hog attacks...lol... is it cuz they are only lvl 3? ive done ranges from 28-32 hogs in a raid plus cc hogs... still can't get 3 stars.. sad!
-annie
I'm of the same mindset as further up - less wizards more hogs. 7 wizards is plenty.
It depends on the base - if there is a tough and well positioned (buried between defences) DGB spot then GOHO is a good option, getting the golems in backed by Wiz and the BK to pre-trigger the DGB, then hog the remainder of the base. Number of golems etc. is dictated by how hard it is to reach the dgb.
As a TH8 for a normal 'hog' attack (no dangerous DGB spots) I would go with a standard composition of:
7 wizards
1 archer for a cc anchor
1 giant for the cc lure
32 Hogs
Barbs and maybe couple archers to fill remaining spaces
CC - 2 witches and a barb.
Use the giant to lure the cc - and a couple hogs if the cc is a tough lure - if there's an exposed DGB spot I will target this to test and pretrigger too.
drop the archer to anchor and pull the cc troops (if there is not safe spot when scouting take barbs instead and drop them 1 by 1 to pull the cc out).
drop the barbs, then the cc BEHIND them, then a couple of wiz to flank the witches, plus another behind.
Once the cc is under control I drop the hogs in one of 3 ways, depending on the base layout:
1. Spread bases - surgical deployment 3-4 hogs onto each defence
2. 2/3 finger drop onto 2/3 defences - most base designs.
3. Asian wall - If there is a line of 5 defences I can hit all at once.
I don't use a single finger drop as its a waste of the DPS from the hogs - once you get over 7-8 hogs on one defe (I think) the DPS of more hogs is wasted.
Heals are then done in the 'triangle' layout - 2 on the second layer of defences (the hogs won't need them immediately) spread across the side the hogs are attacking, then the third on the back end - I try and plan these to cover possible GB spots and WT's.
The remaining few wiz I drop around the base as the area becomes 'safe' to speed up clean up.
I would say 30 hogs and the rest is all archers, make sure to kill all the cc troops with the archers or the queen, it's also very important to try taking out the enemy queen, try doing it with your heroes and archers, if you can't then place your hogs away from the queen and never use the healing spells too soon.
Hey Paul,
thank you for the very very thorough guide to your thoughts on hog raids basically followed everything up until the chinese wall and the #1 and #2 :(
btw, the king in the ctr of the base always hunts my hogs down and kill them :'( what do i do? maybe wrong base?
also do you think it has something to do with my weak lvl 3 hogs? also the suspicious DGB spots.. before my hog even gets there it dies x____x
thank you very much for your response :D
-annie
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Originally Posted by Pauld100
I am not the best Hog attacker and my war attacks lean towards other attack strategies like dragon/dragoon variants because, IMO, Hogs are best used for Tight or Compartmentalized Bases, No 2x4 (Double Giant Bomb) spots, and CC can be lured, which is pretty uncommon on war bases.
Here is a common Hog army I use:
1 Golem
25 Hogs
5 Wiz
Rest all archers
3 Heal
1 Poison
CC Hogs, should be level 4 or up
I use around 3 Hogs to lure, few archers to drag the cc into the corner then, drop the Golem to tank while deploying the wiz and few archers to kill thecc (do not use poison yet). Release the hogs, once your hogs are being chased by skeletons, this is the best time to use poison. Deploy the remaining archers on the remaining unprotected buildings for clean up then you are on your way to a three star...
Hope this helps though, practice sometime, good luck!
Reading won't help you with learning how to use them. It's better if you watch a few Videos on YouTube.
All i can say is, Bk isn't a problem against Hogs since he's pretty slow but AQ is. Always take 30+ Hogs & try to cover the entire base with your 3 Heal spells & time them well.
It's a good option to take Archers or wizards along with them, not only to kill CC troops but for the Clean up in the end.
You can use a giant or two from the side you start your attack to busy the enemy defenses & carry on doing the same before the Hogs reach the other side so that they don't get the attention of the enemy turrets.