Changing the pushing system?

Now I am not a max th10 nor a pushing enthusiast.(Not currently. I am a low th9 and the highest I've been to is M1.)

Neverthless, It is common knowledge that the trophy pushing system is broken. With clouds for hours and +1/-50 trophies, pushing seems to be no longer fun.

It needs a person to be online for hours with boosts for nexting and cloud surfing, that seems like a chore rather than entertainment.

So perhaps I like to suggest an idea. (Yes,I do know this is not the ideas section. However that section requires an idea to be presented in proper comprehensive fashion and I dont want to waste a lot of time on it if the idea is not liked/not feasible).

Past reaching titan league, in addition to multiplayer nexting/searching, a possibility of a challenge/bout is issued. Two people in the same league who press the option at the same time matchup. This matchup cannot be nexted. There they attack and defend against each other in return. The resultant trophy gain is added/subtracted. The winners get the loot bonus. Maybe onestarring will give the loser a loss bonus. The same cc troops are used for offense/defense. Maybe be a 4/5 STAR SYSTEM(Tie-breaker with who had more percentage) will highly help in this case. People can build/gem their troops and go again.

The nexting system which will still exist ensures that the person can be demoted and that those in champs can climb up. Also the legend reseter will ensure that the player does not climb forever.

Another idea could be that at the start of a season, all the titans enter a huge knockout league. This could be in addition to the trophy system. There depending on the number of players and which power of 2 cover it all, titans could face each other in successive stages, where one has to attack another in a stipulated time of a couple of days. Stars followed by percentage decides who continues into the next round, till the finals. 3stars and same percentage could be decided by who got it faster. This could happen in another championship map similar to war map. Also maybe the base can only be seen during attack to prevent 3rd party apps use.

Just some ideas that popped in my mind to spice up the endgame when I see max th10s continue complaining about how frustrating pushing is and how many quit. If its sounds feasible& interesting, I will work more on the idea and post it in the ideas subforum in a more comprehensive fashion.

EDIT:
After further thought I arrived at the conclusion that a knockout championship for titan/top players would increase the number of players pushing there. I have posted the entire idea here,

http://forum.supercell.net/showthread.php/804108-Knockout-Championship

Wow, quite the thread you have here :P some really good ideas though, I especially like how two players both searching can attack each other simultaneously.

imo, a) something needs to be done about the 4200+ trophy system. It wasn't designed for 5k trophies and tens of million of players. Time to adjust it... b) I'd rather not go with a quick fix or something too... additive...

i think the biggest problem is the increase in available player pool size, now an easy +/- 800 cups now, without adjusting the trophy offer system. I understand, there aren't many players; maybe 5000. So we need a way to lower player cloud time. They did this a while ago, by increasing the pool size in champ.

However, this now results in trophy differences to be +/- 800, -1/+59. A simple, but likely affective way is to set a cap to trophy loss/gain. Make it a 10-30 match instead of 1-60. This solves the main problems of the now 5000 trophy system.

People pushing will have an increased player pool, maybe a +/- 1000 cup difference. You will be offered at least 10 trophies per match, so if you find someone 3 leagues down, they are at least worth the effort. If you are unfortunate on defense, you will lose -30. That loss matches a motivated player's gain for 4-6 attacks.

Its simple, but deep, system level changes are what's needed to adjust for the now higher trophy amounts and size of player base.

imho

Supercell justifies the current system by showing how the implementation of champions league went down. when they released champ league there were about as many players close to 3200 as there are players close to 5000. they segmented Champs and added Titan to accommodate the number of players they assume will fill in up there over time, and introduced the legend league and tournament to keep the cups from infinitely inflating and leagues being added. Much like when champs was introduced it is a big challenge that not many players are able to attain right now, but they assume much like how champs filled out, they will fill up the higher leagues again, eventually. that's why I don't think we will see any changes to the matchmaking up there. that said the challenge duel thing sounds interesting, just as a separate entity that could merit its own discussion thread.

tl:dr
they want to wait and see it naturally fill out, just like champs did when it was first introduced, thus I do not see any changes coming, but the challenge/duel thing sounds cool on its own

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Originally Posted by kmb08753

imo, a) something needs to be done about the 4200+ trophy system. It wasn't designed for 5k trophies and tens of million of players. Time to adjust it... b) I'd rather not go with a quick fix or something too... additive...

i think the biggest problem is the increase in available player pool size, now an easy +/- 800 cups now, without adjusting the trophy offer system. I understand, there aren't many players; maybe 5000. So we need a way to lower player cloud time. They did this a while ago, by increasing the pool size in champ.

However, this now results in trophy differences to be +/- 800, -1/+59. A simple, but likely affective way is to set a cap to trophy loss/gain. Make it a 10-30 match instead of 1-60. This solves the main problems of the now 5000 trophy system.

People pushing will have an increased player pool, maybe a +/- 1000 cup difference. You will be offered at least 10 trophies per match, so if you find someone 3 leagues down, they are at least worth the effort. If you are unfortunate on defense, you will lose -30. That loss matches a motivated player's gain for 4-6 attacks.

Its simple, but deep, system level changes are what's needed to adjust for the now higher trophy amounts and size of player base.

imho

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I definitely agree that the trophy range needs to be expanded, but not necessary the number of trophies offered. No one should ever be looking at clouds for more than 10 seconds. If there are no people within 800 trophies, then expand it to 1000, or 1500, or 2000. There should always be someone to attack. That said, I am okay with 1 trophy offers. If a person at 5000 trophies is offered an opponent at 3000 trophies, that opponent does not stand a chance. The 5000 trophy person is most likely a fully maxed base with maxed troops and there is nothing the person at 3000 trophies can do to prevent a 3 star attack. If a 3 star attack is only worth 1 trophy however, the attacker will have motivation to simply use a smaller amount of his army to get 1 star and then leave (ideally just a town hall snipe if the lower player was smart enough to have his town hall out). This would enable high level people to have a constant supply of bases to attack (so they can easily get enough trophies in their 6 hour play session to offset any attack to them) and would enable lower level people to be attacked for low amounts of loot (ideally just snipes) at very low trophy losses. Very much a win/win system for everyone.

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Originally Posted by kmb08753

imo, a) something needs to be done about the 4200+ trophy system. It wasn't designed for 5k trophies and tens of million of players. Time to adjust it... b) I'd rather not go with a quick fix or something too... additive...

i think the biggest problem is the increase in available player pool size, now an easy +/- 800 cups now, without adjusting the trophy offer system. I understand, there aren't many players; maybe 5000. So we need a way to lower player cloud time. They did this a while ago, by increasing the pool size in champ.

However, this now results in trophy differences to be +/- 800, -1/+59. A simple, but likely affective way is to set a cap to trophy loss/gain. Make it a 10-30 match instead of 1-60. This solves the main problems of the now 5000 trophy system.

People pushing will have an increased player pool, maybe a +/- 1000 cup difference. You will be offered at least 10 trophies per match, so if you find someone 3 leagues down, they are at least worth the effort. If you are unfortunate on defense, you will lose -30. That loss matches a motivated player's gain for 4-6 attacks.

Its simple, but deep, system level changes are what's needed to adjust for the now higher trophy amounts and size of player base.

imho

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There's a balancing formula which is the reason they cannot afford to give +10 trophies for someone 1000 trophies down. Then everyone's mean trophy count will increase. Another one of the reasons they remove inactive bases from search. They dont want people pushing off dead bases.

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Originally Posted by kirky74

Supercell justifies the current system by showing how the implementation of champions league went down. when they released champ league there were about as many players close to 3200 as there are players close to 5000. they segmented Champs and added Titan to accommodate the number of players they assume will fill in up there over time, and introduced the legend league and tournament to keep the cups from infinitely inflating and leagues being added. Much like when champs was introduced it is a big challenge that not many players are able to attain right now, but they assume much like how champs filled out, they will fill up the higher leagues again, eventually. that's why I don't think we will see any changes to the matchmaking up there. that said the challenge duel thing sounds interesting, just as a separate entity that could merit its own discussion thread.

tl:dr
they want to wait and see it naturally fill out, just like champs did when it was first introduced, thus I do not see any changes coming, but the challenge/duel thing sounds cool on its own

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Its going to be slow with champs filled with max th10 and literally no farm bases. Most importantly there isnt a gem reward for reaching titans.

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Originally Posted by erethizon

I definitely agree that the trophy range needs to be expanded, but not necessary the number of trophies offered. No one should ever be looking at clouds for more than 10 seconds. If there are no people within 800 trophies, then expand it to 1000, or 1500, or 2000. There should always be someone to attack. That said, I am okay with 1 trophy offers. If a person at 5000 trophies is offered an opponent at 3000 trophies, that opponent does not stand a chance. The 5000 trophy person is most likely a fully maxed base with maxed troops and there is nothing the person at 3000 trophies can do to prevent a 3 star attack. If a 3 star attack is only worth 1 trophy however, the attacker will have motivation to simply use a smaller amount of his army to get 1 star and then leave (ideally just a town hall snipe if the lower player was smart enough to have his town hall out). This would enable high level people to have a constant supply of bases to attack (so they can easily get enough trophies in their 6 hour play session to offset any attack to them) and would enable lower level people to be attacked for low amounts of loot (ideally just snipes) at very low trophy losses. Very much a win/win system for everyone.

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My idea was in the hope that playing at the top level wont have to neccesarily include sitting 6 hrs straight picking bases for 1 trophy who are 2000 trophies down. The top level players should be facing each other to decide who is better. More challlenging, less time consuming and also more interesting.

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Originally Posted by deadmansdreams

Most importantly there isnt a gem reward for reaching titans.

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Yes, I don't understand why they haven't added achievements for getting to Titan and then Legend League.

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Originally Posted by Wizard80

Yes, I don't understand why they haven't added achievements for getting to Titan and then Legend League.

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It hardly seems like forgetfullness on their part. A gem reward will have to be about 4000 gems. At this point of time, it might sound like a deserving amount but SC probably sees a day in the future where even th8s can push to titans with relative ease.
SC make their money from serious clashers, and if someone can make 450+1000+2000+4000=7450 gems just by pushing they have enough for 5 builders and boosts for a very long time. Dont think SC would want that.