Stop war desertor pls!

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August 10th, 2015
Feelmadness

Stop war desertor pls!

Hello I get very frustrated contact you, this is my first time writing here I have never before needed.
I would like to repair a very common mistake among players and is to join a clan to go to war and leave right after going to war.
this is becoming a trend in the game and make a lot of people, my idea is that it will penalize such people with a mark of defector to the other clans know that class is that person and not only that. also a penalty of 1 to 2 wars would not be able to play well. I think something like that would slow down much this new trend in the game.

Also I think of a less difficult idea.
while a player is at war disable the button to leave clan.
This will force players to end the war before he could leave the clan.

Hola me pongo en contacto con ustedes muy frustrado, es mi primera vez que escribo aquí nunca antes lo he necesitado.
me gustaría reparar un fallo muy común entre los jugadores y es el de unirse a un clan entrar en guerra y abandonar justo después de entrar en guerra.
esto se esta volviendo una moda en el juego y lo hacen mucha gente, mi idea es que se le penalice a ese tipo de personas con una marca de desertor para que los demás clanes sepan de que clase es esa persona y no solo eso. también una penalización de 1 o 2 guerras sin poder jugar estaría bien. yo creo que algo así frenaría mucho esta nueva moda en el juego.

También se me ocurre una idea menos difícil.
mientras algun jugador esta en guerra deshabilitar el boton de abandonar clan.
Esto obligara a los jugadores a terminar la guerra antes de poder abandonar el clan
August 10th, 2015
gaw1107

Nah I know your frustration but....

It would spoil all the fun of going spying on your opponent clan and getting pictures of their war bases

Dont be so trusting ! Make the new joiner donate you some good troops, make them show you their replays of personal attacks so you can see how they are, go to their profile when they join and look to see when they are eligible for war again.. If it says 1day 20hours then you know not to trust them and ask them why they did that....
Short answer , don't put them in war until you know them better.

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Originally Posted by Feelmadness

Hello I get very frustrated contact you, this is my first time writing here I have never before needed.
I would like to repair a very common mistake among players and is to join a clan to go to war and leave right after going to war.
this is becoming a trend in the game and make a lot of people, my idea is that it will penalize such people with a mark of defector to the other clans know that class is that person and not only that. also a penalty of 1 to 2 wars would not be able to play well. I think something like that would slow down much this new trend in the game.

Also I think of a less difficult idea.
while a player is at war disable the button to leave clan.
This will force players to end the war before he could leave the clan.

Hola me pongo en contacto con ustedes muy frustrado, es mi primera vez que escribo aquí nunca antes lo he necesitado.
me gustaría reparar un fallo muy común entre los jugadores y es el de unirse a un clan entrar en guerra y abandonar justo después de entrar en guerra.
esto se esta volviendo una moda en el juego y lo hacen mucha gente, mi idea es que se le penalice a ese tipo de personas con una marca de desertor para que los demás clanes sepan de que clase es esa persona y no solo eso. también una penalización de 1 o 2 guerras sin poder jugar estaría bien. yo creo que algo así frenaría mucho esta nueva moda en el juego.

También se me ocurre una idea menos difícil.
mientras algun jugador esta en guerra deshabilitar el boton de abandonar clan.
Esto obligara a los jugadores a terminar la guerra antes de poder abandonar el clan
August 10th, 2015
Feelmadness

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaw1107

It would spoil all the fun of going spying on your opponent clan and getting pictures of their war bases

Dont be so trusting ! Make the new joiner donate you some good troops, make them show you their replays of personal attacks so you can see how they are, go to their profile when they join and look to see when they are eligible for war again.. If it says 1day 20hours then you know not to trust them and ask them why they did that....
Short answer , don't put them in war until you know them better.

This answer does not help me at all. you tell me what I already know.
We never accept anyone in the middle of a war. I have a rule that players with brand new not go to war. but even so they expect the time it takes to enter and leave war. this is getting annoying as I have done several times.
it's as easy as leaving disable the button being at war.
the fact that an individual is at war does not mean that the other members of the clan can go to spy ..
I'd just like to know about the selected war can leave at times of war.
August 10th, 2015
gaw1107

It's the same for everyone, but I would not welcome your idea

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Originally Posted by Feelmadness

This answer does not help me at all. you tell me what I already know.
We never accept anyone in the middle of a war. I have a rule that players with brand new not go to war. but even so they expect the time it takes to enter and leave war. this is getting annoying as I have done several times.
it's as easy as leaving disable the button being at war.
the fact that an individual is at war does not mean that the other members of the clan can go to spy ..
I'd just like to know about the selected war can leave at times of war.

Okay so consider this. The leave clan button is disabled.....fine, guess what he does then? He will just sit there and not do his attacks of course, no matter how many times you shout at him in clan chat he won't answer....when the war is over if he is not included in the next, he just leaves or as I did to a guy in our last war, I booted him for not attacking...so you see your idea doesn't work..

However I sympathise and I know exactly how you feel about these spoilers they make my blood boil too :mad: lol
August 10th, 2015
tepazu13

Good one feelmadness

Your disable leave button is a winner, make them sit out the 24 war hours even if they refuse to attack, right onnnnnn
August 10th, 2015
RandyWBenoit

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Originally Posted by tepazu13

Your disable leave button is a winner, make them sit out the 24 war hours even if they refuse to attack, right onnnnnn

I would be good with the Disable the leave button. Even if they don't use their attack at least they cannot leave to join another since once they are included in the war even if they leave their Base still seems to be included in the clans war base list
August 10th, 2015
jonnguy2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feelmadness

Hello I get very frustrated contact you, this is my first time writing here I have never before needed.
I would like to repair a very common mistake among players and is to join a clan to go to war and leave right after going to war.
this is becoming a trend in the game and make a lot of people, my idea is that it will penalize such people with a mark of defector to the other clans know that class is that person and not only that. also a penalty of 1 to 2 wars would not be able to play well. I think something like that would slow down much this new trend in the game.

Also I think of a less difficult idea.
while a player is at war disable the button to leave clan.
This will force players to end the war before he could leave the clan.

Hola me pongo en contacto con ustedes muy frustrado, es mi primera vez que escribo aquí nunca antes lo he necesitado.
me gustaría reparar un fallo muy común entre los jugadores y es el de unirse a un clan entrar en guerra y abandonar justo después de entrar en guerra.
esto se esta volviendo una moda en el juego y lo hacen mucha gente, mi idea es que se le penalice a ese tipo de personas con una marca de desertor para que los demás clanes sepan de que clase es esa persona y no solo eso. también una penalización de 1 o 2 guerras sin poder jugar estaría bien. yo creo que algo así frenaría mucho esta nueva moda en el juego.

También se me ocurre una idea menos difícil.
mientras algun jugador esta en guerra deshabilitar el boton de abandonar clan.
Esto obligara a los jugadores a terminar la guerra antes de poder abandonar el clan

I doubt they would put a badge of shame on a player...and they are already penalized one war...
August 10th, 2015
PvtLeeOwned

How about this:

If someone leaves during war they are ineligible until the war completes even if they've used both attacks. If they leave during war and have not used both attacks they are ineligible for an additional 48 hours beyond the end of the war. If they leave during war, have used one or both attacks, but the game concludes they were not legitimate attack attempts (this can be done pretty easily in my opinion) based on level of effort (attack duration, troop cost, and level of opponent) then the player is also penalized the additional 48 hours. When in doubt, just stick it out until the war is over.

The net result is that people are disincented to leave during war unless they've fulfilled their duty.

Now the silly second half begins:
I would go so far as to add a "conscript" button for leaders and co-leaders. If the clan has used 100% of their attacks and is trailing in score, and if the departed player or players have attacks left, then they can conscript the departed players back into the clan until the war ends. A conscripted players base would be commandeered by the leader or co leader who called them back. The players current army would be set aside. The players base would then be used to build an army at the direction of the leader or co leader, and also paid for using the resources of the leader or co leader (limited to the troop and spell levels available to the deserter of course), and finally the attack would be carried out by the leader or co leader.

Basically the the deserter would be in limbo and unable to do anything but watch until the war ended. At that time the deserters army in progress would be restored to its former state and they would be ejected from the clan. And the conscripted deserted would remain ineligible for war for 48 additional hours. Can you tell I don't appreciate deserters?
August 10th, 2015
Rahle

What is being forgotten is that in most of these cases you are asking SC to fix a leadership problem. I agree people leaving during a war is annoying and can hurt you more then anything else. Yet, it all comes down to you bringing them to war. I would like to see a penalty for not attacking in war, but SC won't do that nor should they since it will stop people from playing. If they leave during war they are penalized with being unable to war until the end of the current war. In the end it all comes down to trusting the people you war with, one person leaving during a war should not mean an instant loss. Sometimes it can and will mean just that I have seen it happen. And my old clan removed people directly after the war if they did not attack with both attacks. If they only used one they were kept out of next war. If happened a second time, boot!. Loyalty in a game like this has to be earned, not enforced.

btw to the above post, if they leave clan even after they have used both attacks they are still notmallowed to,war until the current war is done. Once you are included in a war, you are banned from another for 48 hours right away.
August 10th, 2015
PvtLeeOwned

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Originally Posted by Rahle

What is being forgotten is that in most of these cases you are asking SC to fix a leadership problem. I agree people leaving during a war is annoying and can hurt you more then anything else. Yet, it all comes down to you bringing them to war. I would like to see a penalty for not attacking in war, but SC won't do that nor should they since it will stop people from playing. If they leave during war they are penalized with being unable to war until the end of the current war. In the end it all comes down to trusting the people you war with, one person leaving during a war should not mean an instant loss. Sometimes it can and will mean just that I have seen it happen. And my old clan removed people directly after the war if they did not attack with both attacks. If they only used one they were kept out of next war. If happened a second time, boot!. Loyalty in a game like this has to be earned, not enforced.

btw to the above post, if they leave clan even after they have used both attacks they are still notmallowed to,war until the current war is done. Once you are included in a war, you are banned from another for 48 hours right away.

I disagree that it's a leadership problem. It is an individual accountability problem. War roster spots are clan property and not to be regarded lightly by players. This is a suggestion to create a penalty for not doing the right thing.

I am aware that someone who leaves while in war cannot participate until after that war is over. I even said so in my post. Maybe you misunderstood and thought my statement was part of my proposal, and if so I apologize for not being clear about that. The current restriction simply prevents people from hopping back and forth between clans and warring with greater frequency. My proposal is to be punitive and make people think twice before abandoning their post.

Using the war analogy people so often bring up when discussing this game, I would say a real army doesn't hope to someday earn the loyalty of its soldiers. Once you're in, you are in. There are rules that prohibit desertion especially during wartime. I don't see a problem enforcing rules that protect a clans ability to execute a fair and equal number of attacks per war. One disloyal person shouldn't be put in a position to disrupt the outcome of an endeavor that 50+ other people have engaged in for the preceding 48 hours.
August 10th, 2015
MentalCookie

While it is fustrating ti have people leave in war it dosnt stop you winning.

Disabling the ability to leave would prevent people from 1. Leaving to get troops from other family clans 2. Marking people with that sort of thing would ruin there chances of ever being forgiven.
August 10th, 2015
PvtLeeOwned

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Originally Posted by MentalCookie

While it is fustrating ti have people leave in war it dosnt stop you winning.

Disabling the ability to leave would prevent people from 1. Leaving to get troops from other family clans 2. Marking people with that sort of thing would ruin there chances of ever being forgiven.

1 - I understand this happens but it's a workaround that allows people in low levels clans to bring clan perks into war before they are earned. IMO anything in your clan castle should disappear the moment you join a new clan.

2 - Do you really want to forgive these people? What I propose only sticks with a person for two days after war at a maximum. What CoC player can't wait two days?
August 10th, 2015
BluBest

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feelmadness

Hello I get very frustrated contact you, this is my first time writing here I have never before needed.
I would like to repair a very common mistake among players and is to join a clan to go to war and leave right after going to war.
this is becoming a trend in the game and make a lot of people, my idea is that it will penalize such people with a mark of defector to the other clans know that class is that person and not only that. also a penalty of 1 to 2 wars would not be able to play well. I think something like that would slow down much this new trend in the game.

Also I think of a less difficult idea.
while a player is at war disable the button to leave clan.
This will force players to end the war before he could leave the clan.

Hola me pongo en contacto con ustedes muy frustrado, es mi primera vez que escribo aquí nunca antes lo he necesitado.
me gustaría reparar un fallo muy común entre los jugadores y es el de unirse a un clan entrar en guerra y abandonar justo después de entrar en guerra.
esto se esta volviendo una moda en el juego y lo hacen mucha gente, mi idea es que se le penalice a ese tipo de personas con una marca de desertor para que los demás clanes sepan de que clase es esa persona y no solo eso. también una penalización de 1 o 2 guerras sin poder jugar estaría bien. yo creo que algo así frenaría mucho esta nueva moda en el juego.

También se me ocurre una idea menos difícil.
mientras algun jugador esta en guerra deshabilitar el boton de abandonar clan.
Esto obligara a los jugadores a terminar la guerra antes de poder abandonar el clan

Both of these are terrible. Also this is not a trend.
Your clan is terrible at war and I want to leave. I should have the option to do so. This is 2015, get off the Scarlet Letter ♥♥ and be a better leader.
August 10th, 2015
webbie
First off disabling the leave button during war is terrible since leaders can war back to back and opt people in basically making it impossible for a person to leave.

Secondly and most importantly lets look at the options

-Player leaves and you lose 2 attacks

-Player wants to leave and can't
- Player doesn't attack anyway (or just goes for loot)
- Player sets his war base to an easy 3 star
- Player fills war castles with junk
- Player fills troop requests with junk
- If player has an alt elsewhere maybe he takes screenshots to the other clan
- Player spews profanities until he is booted from the clan (and I don't think you can punish a person you just booted from the clan)
People who leave during war are jerks (unless there is a major issue with leadership) and the clan is much better without jerks in the clan. Everyone who suggests this always seems to think that a person forced to stay will work to benefit the clan, it is clear that is not a priority to them so why would they bother putting together a decent army to attack with.
August 11th, 2015
AxionXD

Good explanation above me.

We have a new rule. Newcommers sit out minimum 2 wars and must show a war equivalent attack before being allowed on active roster. We have not had a war hopper since implementing these rules.