Looking for information on Wallbreakers' AI and how Earthquake spell works...

Hi, I'm looking for information on two topics and I'm unable to find it using the search function on the forum (maybe I'm not using it correctly??):

1) I would like to get all the info on how does Wallbreakers' AI work. I know there have been some changes lately, so I'm sure this topic has been discussed before, but I'm unable to find where. The fact is that I seem unable to preview where my Walbreakers will go when I drop them, leading me to many failed attacks because of that.

2) Also, I need to understand how Earthquake spell works. Based on its description, it does a damage of a portion of the remaining hit points, so it shouldn't be possible to destroy anything with it! But obviously this is wrong, and 4 spells can destroy walls of any level. How is this possible? Looking thought the forum I've found some clues, but still can't make a clear idea. Someone referred to some kind of "definitive Earthquake spell FAQ thread" on the forum but, again, I'm unable to find it.

Finally, I'm sure these and many other similar topics referred to other troops and spells have been discussed before, so there must be many key threads that could serve as FAQs for all of them. How to locate them? Is there any index?

Thanks in advance...

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Originally Posted by Toni1963

1) I would like to get all the info on how does Wallbreakers' AI work. I know there have been some changes lately, so I'm sure this topic has been discussed before, but I'm unable to find where. The fact is that I seem unable to preview where my Walbreakers will go when I drop them, leading me to many failed attacks because of that.

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I don't know much about the wallbreaker AI myself, but from what I know, wallbreakers head to the closest set of walls containing a defense inside of it.

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Originally Posted by Toni1963

2) Also, I need to understand how Earthquake spell works. Based on its description, it does a damage of a portion of the remaining hit points, so it shouldn't be possible to destroy anything with it! But obviously this is wrong, and 4 spells can destroy walls of any level. How is this possible? Looking thought the forum I've found some clues, but still can't make a clear idea. Someone referred to some kind of "definitive Earthquake spell FAQ thread" on the forum but, again, I'm unable to find it.

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SC has stated the the earthquake spell will collapse any structure automatically at low health. That includes buildings, as they mention that an earthquake spell will destroy any building that has 20% remaining hitpoints automatically.

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Originally Posted by jemro774

I don't know much about the wallbreaker AI myself, but from what I know, wallbreakers head to the closest set of walls containing a defense inside of it.

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Yes, that's what I thought, but many times I see them heading to close walls not containing any defense inside! Also, how to know where will they hit the wall? Sometimes they seem simply to go to the closest part of it, but sometimes don't! That's why I'm looking for some more precise information...

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SC has stated the the earthquake spell will collapse any structure automatically at low health. That includes buildings, as they mention that an earthquake spell will destroy any building that has 20% remaining hitpoints automatically.

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Where did they state that? That's what I'm looking for, the place where Earthquake spell is fully explained. Also, what you say about the 20% remaining hitpoints is valid for any level of Earthquake spell?

Thanks for answering :o

I am also seeking information on the Earthquake spell.

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Originally Posted by gsws58

I am also seeking information on the Earthquake spell.

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After searching a bit more I think I found the thread about Earthquake spell I was talking about:

The "One and Only" Earthquake Spell Thread - Everything You Need to Know


Still looking for a similar thread about Wallbreakers' AI...

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Originally Posted by Toni1963

Yes, that's what I thought, but many times I see them heading to close walls not containing any defense inside! Also, how to know where will they hit the wall? Sometimes they seem simply to go to the closest part of it, but sometimes don't! That's why I'm looking for some more precise information...

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Nothing to do with defences, they just break the closest wall that is part of an enclosure, or where any opening is more than a certain distance away.

And they do attempt to get to the weakest point if there are different wall levels, or if a wall is already partly damaged.

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Where did they state that? That's what I'm looking for, the place where Earthquake spell is fully explained. Also, what you say about the 20% remaining hitpoints is valid for any level of Earthquake spell?

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It actually says in the in-game description of the spell - "Earthquake spells can also cause structures that are almost destroyed to collapse instantly".

That doesn't actually say 20% - and I thought it was actualy a lower figure but one which is also multiplied by 4 when dealing with walls.

There is also a rather arbitrary (IMO) restriction that it will always need at least 4 EQ spells to destroy an otherwise undammaged structure, so upgrading the spell makes no difference if you only use it for walls (but does increase the collateral damage to other buildings).

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Originally Posted by alexheney

Nothing to do with defences, they just break the closest wall that is part of an enclosure, or where any opening is more than a certain distance away.

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OK, but the key is to know what is that "certain distance away". Without knowing that it's impossible to know if the Wallbreakers will try to break the wall or go around it.

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And they do attempt to get to the weakest point if there are different wall levels, or if a wall is already partly damaged.

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Are you sure about that?? My experience is not the same...

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It actually says in the in-game description of the spell - "Earthquake spells can also cause structures that are almost destroyed to collapse instantly".

That doesn't actually say 20% - and I thought it was actualy a lower figure but one which is also multiplied by 4 when dealing with walls.

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Again, the in-game description is imprecise, because "almost destroyed" is a very relative term.

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There is also a rather arbitrary (IMO) restriction that it will always need at least 4 EQ spells to destroy an otherwise undammaged structure, so upgrading the spell makes no difference if you only use it for walls (but does increase the collateral damage to other buildings).

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Yes, by now I see no real benefit in upgrading Earthquake spell, at least for walls...

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Originally Posted by Toni1963

Where did they state that? That's what I'm looking for, the place where Earthquake spell is fully explained. Also, what you say about the 20% remaining hitpoints is valid for any level of Earthquake spell?

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Click this link, scroll to the trivia section, it's the bottom fact on the trivia section: http://clashofclans.wikia.com/wiki/Earthquake_Spell

And if you need more information on the earthquake spell, I found some excellent guides that you can use to help know more about it: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...u-Need-to-Know

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...f-community%29

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...rthquake-Spell

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Originally Posted by Toni1963

1) I would like to get all the info on how does Wallbreakers' AI work. I know there have been some changes lately, so I'm sure this topic has been discussed before, but I'm unable to find where. The fact is that I seem unable to preview where my Walbreakers will go when I drop them, leading me to many failed attacks because of that.

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WB AI has not been changed, at least officially. Maybe there have been some minor unannounced tweaks but basic working of the AI has remained largely the same.

This guide still largely applies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEjO...Yh65z7kWJntB_V

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Originally Posted by Toni1963

2) Also, I need to understand how Earthquake spell works. Based on its description, it does a damage of a portion of the remaining hit points, so it shouldn't be possible to destroy anything with it! But obviously this is wrong, and 4 spells can destroy walls of any level. How is this possible? Looking thought the forum I've found some clues, but still can't make a clear idea. Someone referred to some kind of "definitive Earthquake spell FAQ thread" on the forum but, again, I'm unable to find it.

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Against normal buildings:

• All earthquake spells do at least 4.5% of max HP as damage. They can do more damage when HP of building is still high (ie. over 60%)
• If a building is under 17.5% of max HP, an earthquake spell can destroy it completely.

Against walls:

• All earthquake spells do at least 20% of max HP as damage. They can do more damage when wall is still high in HP (ie. over 60%)
• If a a wall is under 33% of max HP, an earthquake spell can destroy it completely.

The above applies to any level earthquake spell. The only benefit of higher level earthquake is the increased damage when building has high HP. Other than that all levels have the same effect.

The above is based on accurate data gathered from the game itself.

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Originally Posted by Toni1963

OK, but the key is to know what is that "certain distance away". Without knowing that it's impossible to know if the Wallbreakers will try to break the wall or go around it.

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You have to learn this by using them. Say there's a straight line of walls which doesn't connect to anything and with some buildings behind it, if the wall is 21~24 tiles long then a WB could be used to break it at the middle, but if it is only 9~12 tiles then they would probably go around it.

U can weaken recessed walls with eq and then wbs will target the recessed section as its weaker. U can really sneak em in now but its a heavy cost in spell space.