Pekka level 4 upgrade on town hall 9 please

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Originally Posted by Echo006

When max TH9s are matched against rushed TH10s, it is impossible to beat them in war. Adding the level 4 pekka would help strengthen the TH9 attack against TH10s. And it wouldn't be unfair, because everyone at TH9 gets the chance to upgrade it. If it was too overpowering, Supercell could buff the teslas (if they really had to) but honestly, I don't think there would be much difference and it wouldn't create too much of an issue. It doesn't make sense to have the level 4 dragon at TH9, but not the level 4 pekka.

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i (th 9) get to 2 star th 10 i faced in war even 1 IT 3 and 1 IT 2 .... th 9 got valkyrie 4 , stronger than pekka 3 ... it just need bigger lvl of heroes to defeat infernos .. if you say, not everyone can get high heroes .... then you wont faced inferno as your mirror in war anyway ...

Why always stupid ideas get more replies?!!
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We don't need gowipe at th9 to be a 3 star strategy. Lvl 3 pekkas are plenty strong to be a 2 star strategy.

Also ask for inferno towers for th 9 so that no one attacks ur base .

Seems legit

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Originally Posted by badfish1979

Taking the exclusive ability to unlock level 4 pekkas from TH10 and bringing it down to TH9 would affect the balance of strength between town hall levels. Unlocking multiple levels of a troop is not unique to TH10. In fact, the pekka is the only troop of which TH10 gets two levels. TH9 gets two levels of the golem, whereas TH10 only gets one. TH9 gets two levels of the valkyrie, whereas TH10 gets none. TH8 gets two levels of minions, whereas TH9 and TH10 each only get one. TH8 gets two levels of the hog rider, whereas TH9 gets one and TH10 gets none.

So when thinking about which troop levels are available at each town hall, you can't just single out the pekka. You need to think about the offense as a whole. There needs to be balance overall. You also need to realize that each town hall level's strength needs to be considered when looking at the big picture. TH9 is not the max town hall level. Therefore, its offensive strength needs to be kept in check when compared to the higher town hall level, TH10, which is the max level in the game.

TH9 offense is already very powerful, and they were just given level 4 dragons and all the new dark spells as well. Think about it: one of the biggest offense advantages are hero levels. TH7 gets 5 king levels, TH8 gets 5 kings levels, TH9 gets 20 king levels and 30 queen levels, and TH10 gets 10 king and queen levels. Not to mention the fact that TH9 also unlocks the two highest troops in the game: the witch (that can be maxed at TH9 with no new levels unlocked at TH10), and the lava hound. TH10 does not even unlock any new troops.

Giving TH9 the level 4 pekka is just adding to the offense at TH9 that is already powerful enough for not being the highest town hall level in the game.

As many people say when this is brought up - if you want troops that are exclusive to TH10, the incentive is there for you to upgrade to TH10. By taking things that are exclusive to TH10 and moving them down to TH9, you are lessening the incentive to upgrade to TH10 while increasing the advantage that TH9 already has.

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Very well done Badfish, this has to be one of the best arguments on this topic I have seen yet.

Its also a topic that seems to come up ever month or so.

The only other perspective I will comment on is that th9's don't have anything preventing them from attacking th8's. Tesla's are PEKKAs Achilles heel and remember th8 not only has one less level of tesla, but ONE LESS Tesla! Not only is there the balance that Badfish talks about with th10, but there is a balance with th8's too. And I think it's not a great balance even now.

they would target the pekkas after the golem died, but whatever is first in the range is the first target then it probably goes for pekkas if its in range and a golem could be closer, but it keeps on 1 troop at a time until it gets out of range or dies

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Originally Posted by badfish1979

Taking the exclusive ability to unlock level 4 pekkas from TH10 and bringing it down to TH9 would affect the balance of strength between town hall levels. Unlocking multiple levels of a troop is not unique to TH10. In fact, the pekka is the only troop of which TH10 gets two levels. TH9 gets two levels of the golem, whereas TH10 only gets one. TH9 gets two levels of the valkyrie, whereas TH10 gets none. TH8 gets two levels of minions, whereas TH9 and TH10 each only get one. TH8 gets two levels of the hog rider, whereas TH9 gets one and TH10 gets none.

So when thinking about which troop levels are available at each town hall, you can't just single out the pekka. You need to think about the offense as a whole. There needs to be balance overall. You also need to realize that each town hall level's strength needs to be considered when looking at the big picture. TH9 is not the max town hall level. Therefore, its offensive strength needs to be kept in check when compared to the higher town hall level, TH10, which is the max level in the game.

TH9 offense is already very powerful, and they were just given level 4 dragons and all the new dark spells as well. Think about it: one of the biggest offense advantages are hero levels. TH7 gets 5 king levels, TH8 gets 5 kings levels, TH9 gets 20 king levels and 30 queen levels, and TH10 gets 10 king and queen levels. Not to mention the fact that TH9 also unlocks the two highest troops in the game: the witch (that can be maxed at TH9 with no new levels unlocked at TH10), and the lava hound. TH10 does not even unlock any new troops.

Giving TH9 the level 4 pekka is just adding to the offense at TH9 that is already powerful enough for not being the highest town hall level in the game.

As many people say when this is brought up - if you want troops that are exclusive to TH10, the incentive is there for you to upgrade to TH10. By taking things that are exclusive to TH10 and moving them down to TH9, you are lessening the incentive to upgrade to TH10 while increasing the advantage that TH9 already has.

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Making pekka level 4 at th9 is not going to throw off the balance of the whole game, it will not be OP. You, and many other people in this thread are getting way off topic from the point at hand. You write some big long essay with a lot of valid arguments and points, so it sounds good and you sound like you know what you're talking about, and yay for you. But the problem is, half of the arguments you present are not even relevant to the issue. The issue is the pekka, that's it. Giving three levels of pekka at th8 and then two at th10 is not a balanced progression. So what if th9 gets two levels of valk? Make a thread about how th10 should get a level of valk. The other thing to consider is.. th10 is max.. so the only thing you're missing out on is the act of upgrading.. (i.e you don't get to hit the upgrade button) but you have all the tools available to you, you are not limited in terms of troop ability. You also say that th9 just got dragon 4.. so that automatically means that pekka4 is off the table? the reason th9 got dragon4 was... oh yeah, that's right, dragon 5 (i.e one more level, reserved for th10... sound familiar??)

Ultimately, there is no way to objectively quantify game balance (what are the units for that measurement? i forget..) and definitively say that, considering all the other troops and their levels and progression, bringing pekka4 down to th9 is unbalanced. Now, that may be your opinion.. but it's just that; an opinion. You have no data to objectively support your claim, just a lot of roundabout statements and hypotheticals that make *some* people go "huh.. thats interessssting.. y'knooow.. he may have a point...".

Also, people aren't going to simply upgrade to th10 just to get a pekka4.. you say the incentive is there? Rushing out of th9 just for pekka4, before your other troops and defensive buildings are upgraded would be a poor decision; at the very least would go against convention.

gg

Stop using TH9 GoWiPe. Learn a more reliable 3* strategy.

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Originally Posted by michaelrw

Making pekka level 4 at th9 is not going to throw off the balance of the whole game, it will not be OP. You, and many other people in this thread are getting way off topic from the point at hand. You write some big long essay with a lot of valid arguments and points, so it sounds good and you sound like you know what you're talking about, and yay for you. But the problem is, half of the arguments you present are not even relevant to the issue. The issue is the pekka, that's it. Giving three levels of pekka at th8 and then two at th10 is not a balanced progression. So what if th9 gets two levels of valk? Make a thread about how th10 should get a level of valk. The other thing to consider is.. th10 is max.. so the only thing you're missing out on is the act of upgrading.. (i.e you don't get to hit the upgrade button) but you have all the tools available to you, you are not limited in terms of troop ability. You also say that th9 just got dragon 4.. so that automatically means that pekka4 is off the table? the reason th9 got dragon4 was... oh yeah, that's right, dragon 5 (i.e one more level, reserved for th10... sound familiar??)

Ultimately, there is no way to objectively quantify game balance (what are the units for that measurement? i forget..) and definitively say that, considering all the other troops and their levels and progression, bringing pekka4 down to th9 is unbalanced. Now, that may be your opinion.. but it's just that; an opinion. You have no data to objectively support your claim, just a lot of roundabout statements and hypotheticals that make *some* people go "huh.. thats interessssting.. y'knooow.. he may have a point...".

Also, people aren't going to simply upgrade to th10 just to get a pekka4.. you say the incentive is there? Rushing out of th9 just for pekka4, before your other troops and defensive buildings are upgraded would be a poor decision; at the very least would go against convention.

gg

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Agree with this, and disagree with the post you were responding to and Fisherprice's post. Giving level 4 PEKKAs to TH9s might actually make GOWIPE a more viable three star strategy. TH9 has several viable 3 star strategies (GOHO, GOWIVA/GOVALO, golaloon, etc) but GOWIPE is not one of them because PEKKAs are not even a three star strategy at TH8, much less TH9. Why do PEKKAs impact your argument for attacking TH8s at all? No TH8 can defend a 32 loon loonion, an attack that can be trained in nearly the time it takes to train a pekka, so the balance of attacking 8s is irrelevant since a maxed 8 is a free three star to any TH9 running loonion. The issue at hand is solely about balance at TH9, and none of the arguments on this debate (which comes up on a daily basis) are ever relevant to the argument at hand: what is the purpose of PEKKA at TH9?

Should GOWIPE be a viable 3 star strategy at TH9 to compete with GOHO, GOWIVA, and laloon? If you think the answer is yes, then we need PEKKA level 4 at TH9. None of the other arguments matter.

If you think the answer is no, GOWIPE should be a free two star but extremely difficult three star, and that is your definition in how you think TH9 should be balanced, then the answer is PEKKA level 4 should not be available at TH9.

IMO max GoWiPe at th8 is a viable strat.
and at th9 can still be used and still get 3 stars.

1. Most people can't GoWiPe
2. Most people can't analyze a base
3. Have to identify what base is weak to pekkas
4. Adding loons or hogs for the back end

the basics of GoWiPe at th8 should be learned and then applied to a multitude of hybrid attacks at th9.