Pekka level 4 upgrade on town hall 9 please

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August 7th, 2015
Echo006

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Originally Posted by badfish1979

Taking the exclusive ability to unlock level 4 pekkas from TH10 and bringing it down to TH9 would affect the balance of strength between town hall levels. Unlocking multiple levels of a troop is not unique to TH10. In fact, the pekka is the only troop of which TH10 gets two levels. TH9 gets two levels of the golem, whereas TH10 only gets one. TH9 gets two levels of the valkyrie, whereas TH10 gets none. TH8 gets two levels of minions, whereas TH9 and TH10 each only get one. TH8 gets two levels of the hog rider, whereas TH9 gets one and TH10 gets none.

So when thinking about which troop levels are available at each town hall, you can't just single out the pekka. You need to think about the offense as a whole. There needs to be balance overall. You also need to realize that each town hall level's strength needs to be considered when looking at the big picture. TH9 is not the max town hall level. Therefore, its offensive strength needs to be kept in check when compared to the higher town hall level, TH10, which is the max level in the game.

TH9 offense is already very powerful, and they were just given level 4 dragons and all the new dark spells as well. Think about it: one of the biggest offense advantages are hero levels. TH7 gets 5 king levels, TH8 gets 5 kings levels, TH9 gets 20 king levels and 30 queen levels, and TH10 gets 10 king and queen levels. Not to mention the fact that TH9 also unlocks the two highest troops in the game: the witch (that can be maxed at TH9 with no new levels unlocked at TH10), and the lava hound. TH10 does not even unlock any new troops.

Giving TH9 the level 4 pekka is just adding to the offense at TH9 that is already powerful enough for not being the highest town hall level in the game.

As many people say when this is brought up - if you want troops that are exclusive to TH10, the incentive is there for you to upgrade to TH10. By taking things that are exclusive to TH10 and moving them down to TH9, you are lessening the incentive to upgrade to TH10 while increasing the advantage that TH9 already has.

I agree with you in some parts, but if TH9 gets the Dragon level 4, why can't we get the P.E.K.K.A level 4 too? There doesn't need to be an incentive to upgrade to TH10: they will get three dark troops exclusive to that TH level, as well as 2 more dark spells, and the biggest factor: infernos!

When max TH9s are matched against rushed TH10s, it is impossible to beat them in war. Adding the level 4 pekka would help strengthen the TH9 attack against TH10s. And it wouldn't be unfair, because everyone at TH9 gets the chance to upgrade it. If it was too overpowering, Supercell could buff the teslas (if they really had to) but honestly, I don't think there would be much difference and it wouldn't create too much of an issue. It doesn't make sense to have the level 4 dragon at TH9, but not the level 4 pekka.
August 7th, 2015
trillwill4

Pekkas are trash
August 7th, 2015
22Deuce2

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Originally Posted by badfish1979

TH9 offense is already very powerful, and they were just given level 4 dragons and all the new dark spells as well. Think about it: one of the biggest offense advantages are hero levels. TH7 gets 5 king levels, TH8 gets 5 kings levels, TH9 gets 20 king levels and 30 queen levels, and TH10 gets 10 king and queen levels. Not to mention the fact that TH9 also unlocks the two highest troops in the game: the witch (that can be maxed at TH9 with no new levels unlocked at TH10), and the lava hound. TH10 does not even unlock any new troops.

But you must remember that the noobs don't upgrade their heroes to this high of a level at TH9.
And dragons are still garbage after TH8, outside of war CCs anyway. Disprove that one!
August 7th, 2015
Roynice152

If you want a level 4 pekka, upgrade to TH10.
August 7th, 2015
OnyxDS

No, no, no!
One of the good things about this game is that different units upgrade at each TH, so the best unit at each TH tends to vary. TH8 it's drags, gowipe, hogs. At TH9 pekkas dont upgrade, but loons and giants get a huge boost, valks get a double upgrade, as do golems. So gowiva now beats gowipe, loon strategies become important and dragon-spam disappears. At TH10 with a double pekka upgrade makes gowipe more important again, and no hog upgrade and an anti-heal gun makes hogs more limited.

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Originally Posted by Echo006

I agree with you in some parts, but if TH9 gets the Dragon level 4, why can't we get the P.E.K.K.A level 4 too? There doesn't need to be an incentive to upgrade to TH10: they will get three dark troops exclusive to that TH level, as well as 2 more dark spells, and the biggest factor: infernos!

When max TH9s are matched against rushed TH10s, it is impossible to beat them in war. Adding the level 4 pekka would help strengthen the TH9 attack against TH10s. And it wouldn't be unfair, because everyone at TH9 gets the chance to upgrade it. If it was too overpowering, Supercell could buff the teslas (if they really had to) but honestly, I don't think there would be much difference and it wouldn't create too much of an issue. It doesn't make sense to have the level 4 dragon at TH9, but not the level 4 pekka.

Dragon 4 at TH9 was a big mistake anyway IMO - partly for my reason above; and also because it's still irrelevant.
It is certainly possible for TH9 to attack TH10, unless it's a very strong 10 - in which case you wouldn't expect much. But pekkas are unlikely to be the best choice, especially if the base allows units to circle at all. Both gowiva and gogiwiwi work better
August 7th, 2015
jonmango42

It's very unlikely lvl4 PEKKA would make GoWiPe a 3 star strat against max defense, decently designed, TH9s with good walls. There are lots of 3 star TH9s strats that don't include PEKKA.

I'm a TH9.5 - no Infernos, 2 level 3 Xbows, with 5 GB and 3 Skeleton traps and I have yet to be 3 starred with max th10 GoWiPe. I have all lvl9 and lvl10 walls and the GoWiPe peeters out after they make it to my core.

I'm not saying GoWiPe CAN'T 3 star - I'm just saying it rarely does, and lvl4 PEKKA isn't going to help you at TH9 to get noticeably more 3 stars.

Also, when I was TH9, I could consistently get 2 stars against rushed TH10 using GiGoWiWi. 10 giants under rage, attacking the Inferno(s) basically become the TH9 version of the freeze spell. The giants give your GoWiWi time to get to the TH and the 50%. You can usually get one or two Infernos depending on base design.

Mastering this attack strat means you learn how to pace your tanks so they are in front of your damage dealers much better than a TH9 GoWiPe, even with lvl4 PEKKA.
August 7th, 2015
shooshmonk

Wow

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Originally Posted by badfish1979

Taking the exclusive ability to unlock level 4 pekkas from TH10 and bringing it down to TH9 would affect the balance of strength between town hall levels. Unlocking multiple levels of a troop is not unique to TH10. In fact, the pekka is the only troop of which TH10 gets two levels. TH9 gets two levels of the golem, whereas TH10 only gets one. TH9 gets two levels of the valkyrie, whereas TH10 gets none. TH8 gets two levels of minions, whereas TH9 and TH10 each only get one. TH8 gets two levels of the hog rider, whereas TH9 gets one and TH10 gets none.

So when thinking about which troop levels are available at each town hall, you can't just single out the pekka. You need to think about the offense as a whole. There needs to be balance overall. You also need to realize that each town hall level's strength needs to be considered when looking at the big picture. TH9 is not the max town hall level. Therefore, its offensive strength needs to be kept in check when compared to the higher town hall level, TH10, which is the max level in the game.

TH9 offense is already very powerful, and they were just given level 4 dragons and all the new dark spells as well. Think about it: one of the biggest offense advantages are hero levels. TH7 gets 5 king levels, TH8 gets 5 kings levels, TH9 gets 20 king levels and 30 queen levels, and TH10 gets 10 king and queen levels. Not to mention the fact that TH9 also unlocks the two highest troops in the game: the witch (that can be maxed at TH9 with no new levels unlocked at TH10), and the lava hound. TH10 does not even unlock any new troops.

Giving TH9 the level 4 pekka is just adding to the offense at TH9 that is already powerful enough for not being the highest town hall level in the game.

As many people say when this is brought up - if you want troops that are exclusive to TH10, the incentive is there for you to upgrade to TH10. By taking things that are exclusive to TH10 and moving them down to TH9, you are lessening the incentive to upgrade to TH10 while increasing the advantage that TH9 already has.

Im basically a max th9 and i seemed to like the idea of lvl 4 pekka at th9 but honestly badfish i gotta say your words convinced me so i applaud u man ur smart!!
August 7th, 2015
LordSauron

How about no!!! Then everybody will have lvl5 pekka :/
August 8th, 2015
Tiberius94

if it happens, it happens, if it doesnt, then so what? its not gonna make gowipe any better, lol. Just like drags to 4 at th9, its not a deal breaker, so calm down..
August 8th, 2015
badfish1979

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Originally Posted by Echo006

I agree with you in some parts, but if TH9 gets the Dragon level 4, why can't we get the P.E.K.K.A level 4 too? There doesn't need to be an incentive to upgrade to TH10: they will get three dark troops exclusive to that TH level, as well as 2 more dark spells, and the biggest factor: infernos!

When max TH9s are matched against rushed TH10s, it is impossible to beat them in war. Adding the level 4 pekka would help strengthen the TH9 attack against TH10s. And it wouldn't be unfair, because everyone at TH9 gets the chance to upgrade it. If it was too overpowering, Supercell could buff the teslas (if they really had to) but honestly, I don't think there would be much difference and it wouldn't create too much of an issue. It doesn't make sense to have the level 4 dragon at TH9, but not the level 4 pekka.

The offensive advantage of going from TH8 to TH9 is already huge. Then going from TH9 to TH10, it's okay, but not nearly as much of a boost as going to TH9 from TH8.

Defense is beside the point - we already know the x-bows, walls, and other defense levels are a big step up to TH9 from TH8 just like infernos and other defense are for TH10 from TH9. You don't need to be given a better offense at TH9 to beat TH10s. Rushing to TH10 for infernos may help someone defend against TH9s, but they are certainly going to be penalized in other areas. It's a trade-off - as it should be.

The reason TH9 got level 4 dragons and not level 4 pekkas is because level 4 dragons don't affect the overall offensive balance nearly as much as pekkas would.

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Originally Posted by 22Deuce2

But you must remember that the noobs don't upgrade their heroes to this high of a level at TH9.
And dragons are still garbage after TH8, outside of war CCs anyway. Disprove that one!

Whether or not these "noobs" you are talking about rush to the next town hall level without maxing their heroes or any other levels for that matter does not change the fact that these levels are available at TH9. The fact remains that players at TH9 have access to a very strong offense - much stronger than lower town hall levels.

And as stated above, the advantage that higher level dragons give is minimal compared to some other troops. For example, think about the advantage of level 6 balloons over level 5's. You can't just single out pekkas and say just because TH9 got level 4 dragons they should get other TH10 troops as well.

You have to look at the big picture, and keep the overall balance in mind.

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Originally Posted by shooshmonk

Im basically a max th9 and i seemed to like the idea of lvl 4 pekka at th9 but honestly badfish i gotta say your words convinced me so i applaud u man ur smart!!

Thanks. Glad I could help :)

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