Healer +High lvl Archer Queen Strategy

Does anyone have any ideas on a good way to defend against a high lvl AQ with 6 or more healers behind her and a handful of minions? I have a maxed defense TH9 working on walls and heroes. I have a decent base design that holds pretty well up in masters bout 50/50 win/lose with the exception of these AQ attacks.
i have only won 1 of these defenses. I am beginning to think this may be a bit too powerful. With very little practice and even less skill, this strategy has won 1-2 stars and at least half my loot every time. Even in heavy DPS parts of my base and tackling my king she has no problem crushing everything. i have had about 10-20 AQ/healer/minion attacks this past month or so with a few different base types.
I tried placing the ad farther back, rearranging skeleton traps and bb, making nooks with nearby storage and skeleton traps for the queen to walk in and waste time while my ad kills the healers, but she still manages to survive and destroy the ad before it kills more than 1 or 2 healers. She will just keep going until the time runs out. Then she is ready to attack another base right after as long as 6 more healers.

Does anyone have any ideas or thoughts on this? I cant help but to feel like it is a cowardly way to nearly guarantee a star and some loot. I dont like complaining but how can you defend against that? Ive had th10's with full armies do less damage than 6 healers 10 minions and an AQ.

not sure about a th9 but a th10 can kill her quickly since infernols cancel healing.

I think I know a way but it will make ur base suck against all other atks. i think just suck it up or move onto TH10 :unsure:

how is it cowardly? and I don't have the answer to this lol. maybe with higher heroes you will win!

keep drags in cc.
honestly thats it

Just a theory.... since the AQ is trying to get core going for the DE, having widespread AD's near the outer edges (four corners of the base) might make it difficult. As long as the AD's are in front of the AQ, they will not be able to hit the healers, but if you are able to bracket the AQ with AD's they might be able to hit healers as they go towards the core.

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Originally Posted by bouges

Just a theory.... since the AQ is trying to get core going for the DE, having widespread AD's near the outer edges (four corners of the base) might make it difficult. As long as the AD's are in front of the AQ, they will not be able to hit the healers, but if you are able to bracket the AQ with AD's they might be able to hit healers as they go towards the core.

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Yea ive tried this but she usually walks halfway around the base destroying the ad and other defenses before going in at the corners

I use the super queen strat often and very rarely fail.

Have you tried 6 max loons in the CC? I believe they might give the strat some issues. With the right cc trigger range that could cause problems. Only a few loon drops will kill an AQ. Centralized CC and DE storage also. A more spread out base to give the AQ more options to hit.

Just spitballing some ideas. My 9 hasn't been hit by it yet.

I feel like it is cowardly because i have not seen a way around countering this type of attack as a th9. that being said if there is no way to counter this, its just a fool proof way of getting a star and some loot without much thought or skill. Unless i completely rearrange my base to focus even more dps in certain areas ive run out of ideas. My heroes are lvl15 and im being hit with lvl20-30. the damage isnt so great a difference at 10 - 15 lvls to determine success by itself.

The most basic strat is a cc full of lvl 6 loons that are not easy to lure yet lure before the aq can get your loot.

It will destroy aq healer every time.


6 lvl 6 loons will beat a lvl 40 at and a dozen healers.

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Originally Posted by cmrb56

I use the super queen strat often and very rarely fail.

Have you tried 6 max loons in the CC? I believe they might give the strat some issues. With the right cc trigger range that could cause problems. Only a few loon drops will kill an AQ. Centralized CC and DE storage also. A more spread out base to give the AQ more options to hit.

Just spitballing some ideas. My 9 hasn't been hit by it yet.

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Thanks for your input ill try it out. My cc is very centralized and i have a de protecting base so maybe the loons could work when she moves in closer to the core and is getting hit with other defenses too. Sofar 5 max wiz is the only reason ive won 1. combined they killed her in 2 hits.

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Originally Posted by CnConrad

The most basic strat is a cc full of lvl 6 loons that are not easy to lure yet lure before the aq can get your loot.

It will destroy aq healer every time.


6 lvl 6 loons will beat a lvl 40 at and a dozen healers.

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Thanks ill try it out

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Originally Posted by barrettthorshov

Thanks ill try it out

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I haven't ever beat a lvl 40 queen but just a few weeks ago 4 max baloons took out a lvl 30 queen with 6 healers on my base.

Your other choice is double walls. My healer Queen combo avoids them like the plague and runs all the way around the base. (Double wall means wall gap wall)

Witches in CC for defense?

If you figure out a base that defends well against this, it will be weak against some other armies, and they will be the one that attack you instead ... Personally I'm resigned to that fact, and I'd just put my TH outside even in Masters.

I use this strategy a lot and I have only failed once with it. The reason being was because the enemy had a golem in the clan castle(probably for war). The golem locked on and it does not do a lot of damage so at first I was not concerned, then it popped and killed my queen along with the other defenses that were already locked on. Nothing could have saved her, not even her ability. If your clan doesn't mind, golems are good. However, six loons can be great as well against incompetent attackers. Normally, when dealing with loons, I drop poison on them and use queen's ability, she kills them all before they can ever drop a bomb. ;) Pekkas can work sometimes, when she does not have her ability anymore. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by barrettthorshov

Does anyone have any ideas on a good way to defend against a high lvl AQ with 6 or more healers behind her and a handful of minions? I have a maxed defense TH9 working on walls and heroes. I have a decent base design that holds pretty well up in masters bout 50/50 win/lose with the exception of these AQ attacks.
i have only won 1 of these defenses. I am beginning to think this may be a bit too powerful. With very little practice and even less skill, this strategy has won 1-2 stars and at least half my loot every time. Even in heavy DPS parts of my base and tackling my king she has no problem crushing everything. i have had about 10-20 AQ/healer/minion attacks this past month or so with a few different base types.
I tried placing the ad farther back, rearranging skeleton traps and bb, making nooks with nearby storage and skeleton traps for the queen to walk in and waste time while my ad kills the healers, but she still manages to survive and destroy the ad before it kills more than 1 or 2 healers. She will just keep going until the time runs out. Then she is ready to attack another base right after as long as 6 more healers.

Does anyone have any ideas or thoughts on this? I cant help but to feel like it is a cowardly way to nearly guarantee a star and some loot. I dont like complaining but how can you defend against that? Ive had th10's with full armies do less damage than 6 healers 10 minions and an AQ.

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The healer is finally discovered to be "useful" by some ppl, that should be a plus shouldn't it! As far as that goes however, I've been hit with it a couple times as a Th9 and I can assure you that (with multiple farming base designs) it is almost impossible to not get your resources taking :/... On the bright side if you use it yourself I'm betting you'll find your match (base wise) eventually.

Max loons have never killed my lvl 30 queen. Use ability and she takes them all down before they attack her. There's no troop that I have come across in the cc that has killed my queen. Use ability and its done. I use poison on all archers though. They have gotten her low after ability without using poison. And I use 8 healers idk why someone would only use 6.

max loons has been my downfall once or twice cos i didn't hit the ability fast enough. golem could be an option cos it'll help run the clock down.

have you tried ash's hypercube base? it's a bit harder for the AQ to get to the core...

my solution is to sit in masters three with my TH out. i get sniped as soon as i log off, even with lots of dark sitting there. the only time i've been hit for loot since coming back up here is when i've had 3mil+ of gold and pink as well as the DE

My buddy uses 8-10 healers and I tried it out as well (with 10-11 healers) for a few days just for fun. His AQ is max and mine is lv30. Never been killed by a cc yet. Whatever you can't poison you can use your ability on.

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Originally Posted by barrettthorshov

Does anyone have any ideas or thoughts on this? I cant help but to feel like it is a cowardly way to nearly guarantee a star and some loot. I dont like complaining but how can you defend against that? Ive had th10's with full armies do less damage than 6 healers 10 minions and an AQ.

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I got hit by this attack three times in a week when I first got to Masters a month ago. Strangely I haven't been hit by it since.

The only time my defense won against it was when I had max wizards in the CC and the combined DPS of the wizards overwhelmed the healing power of the healers - even then it was very close and could have gone either way. If you. throw in a rage spell (and maybe a poison) and using the AQ ability at the right time, I can't think of a way for TH9 to defend against it.

It's a strategy high lvl war clans use to three star now also pairing the AQ Healer strat with lavaloon or hybrid hogs. The strategy plays on the new AQ AI. She doesn't shoot walls now so you can drop her outside the base with healers behind and have her literally circle an anti-3 star base killing it as she works her way around. It's not easy to defend against really. Xbow placement helps as well as air def. You have to be careful though as making a base anti healer means it's easier with other strategies...

ive heard bout this strategy but im going to try it. would it help with having maybe a pekka alongside it or something other than healers only?

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Originally Posted by Crad1e

ive heard bout this strategy but im going to try it. would it help with having maybe a pekka alongside it or something other than healers only?

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No. They will leave the AQ for the other troops if she reaches full health...

Hi, I have been using this to farm and I would agree it is an op attack. Dragons in clan castle won't do anything. Only thing that stops it is balloons or an Inferno Tower, maybe wizards if the attacker gets unlucky. The balloons can take the queen out before anything happens.

As others said a CC full of Balloons is your best chance.

Otherwise, Infernos but of course that is a TH10 only toy.

7-8x level 6 wizards in CC. Depending on luck, if all wizards shoot together, even AQ40 dies immediately. 16 healers can't heal fast enough. But most of the time, wizards don't shoot together at once, and the AQ picks them off one by one.

2x level 2 witches just slow down the AQ only.

TH10 - Inferno will cancel it.

hyper cube works best against those super queen attacks

Can honestly say I have not been hit by a healer/hero attack since before the hero nerf last summer......with my th9 in low champs and my th10 in silver/gold, is it really that much of an issue? Completely serious question as I'm just not seeing it used against me.

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Originally Posted by Polaris

Can honestly say I have not been hit by a healer/hero attack since before the hero nerf last summer......with my th9 in low champs and my th10 in silver/gold, is it really that much of an issue? Completely serious question as I'm just not seeing it used against me.

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An old trophy base I had which I no longer use...was quite easily 2 starred by this tactic. Other than Cannons the my remaining defenses were max; all minimum lava walls too.

This was after the update making healers immune to SAMs.

I have used it a few times myself in the past for some rather 'lazy' DE farming too, not since the AI update however.

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Originally Posted by daz258

An old trophy base I had which I no longer use...was quite easily 2 starred by this tactic. Other than Cannons the my remaining defenses were max; all minimum lava walls too.

This was after the update making healers immune to SAMs

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Just wondering what those who use it are looking for as from what I hear from most, people like to use it for dark hunting and both my towns have recently held quite a bit of dark.....my th9 currently has both heroes going to 30 and my th10 has queen going to 34....and as noted i have never been hit with it post hero nerf. And by the way, I almost took you free dark offer the other day but it would have cost me too many trophies...

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Originally Posted by Polaris

Just wondering what those who use it are looking for as from what I hear from most, people like to use it for dark hunting and both my towns have recently held quite a bit of dark.....my th9 currently has both heroes going to 30 and my th10 has queen going to 34....and as noted i have never been hit with it post hero nerf. And by the way, I almost took you free dark offer the other day but it would have cost me too many trophies...

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Yes, myself & a few clanmates use this strategy for farming DE, although it's always nice to pick a base that you can hit a few juicy Elixir storages on the way, to pay for those max healers!
Personally I've used it around C2, with AQ from 15-19, & look for minimum 2k DE each time, the best being 4.4k (some in CC iirc)
It can also be used for collector raids by just making one funnel break & doing the "AQ walk" around the outside, but this can expose the healers to Air Defs if set too deep for AQ to pick off...........

To defend against it make sure your air defences can not be reached from the queen(ie put them in second or first layer behind two walls or four spaces then a wall thus she has to go through the wall to get it), that way she avoids them and the healers die. And put your air sweepers in the corner out of range from the queen and face them towards an air defence so it will push all the healers into the range of an air defence and keep loons away from the one near it. Keep air defences and air sweepers maxed. If possible have the archer towers on the outer and second layer but out of reach from one side so they can pick the healers off. Put teslas behind walls and out of reach if possible and you want them to hit Wallbreakers that are dropped too early or to spring up when the cc troops attack her for more dps. Learn to lure the queen with smart building placement so the air defence can get her close but not able to attack her. Definitely put wizard towers in second layer where the healers might get close because they do a good clean with an air defence. Make a deliberate walk way to the centre that the queen will follow and line up your air defences for the healers(must keep them out of queens range). Fill your cc with dragons, balloons or/and lava hounds. Dragons and balloons take time to kill and have high dps, while lava hound has 6700 hit points which will take more than 20seconds to kill and will have 12 additional lava pups to take even more time. Don't fill cc with small troops as it is so easy to kill everything with one poison. Wizards, witches, 35barbs or archers will not do anything to an experienced queen-healer raider. A lot of people use minions to clean the outside buildings so the queen doesn't circle, so two air bombs well placed where they always attack is a great idea.

Edit- It seems to have posted in the wrong spot /: ?

Don't know if anyone has posted this before but first off, you shouldn't worry about your AD placement as the range of the Queen and Healers outreach the range of an AD. Instead, focus on a ring design such as the Hypercube: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...9-Farming-Base

http://i.imgur.com/jvLYAa5.jpg

It features an islanded DE storage compartment which manipulates the AQs range and makes her traverse around the core instead od heading into it- this is more common after the Hero AI 'fix' where they would rather diverge to the sides rather than hit a wall.

Thanks for all of the suggestions. I think its a OP attack, but I dont blame anyone for using it, ill prolly be doing the same thing here in a month or two lol. if It works it works and all is fair in love and war. I think drags are way too OP at th7 but that doesn't stop my mini account from flattening other th7s and weak 8s with them every war.

I just started doing this a couple of weeks back to get dark and am doing it with only a level 10 AQ... My big fails have been against pekka defender before I knew to save her ability .. Wiz or loons I can usually handle with poison and or my minions . Obviously I do not Attack inferno bases and my general rule of thumb is 2000 dark or more . Most of my " failures " now are if I misplay my funnels and she destroys the exterior of the base but even that has been good with the boosted gold and elixir out there . The attacker can generally defeat most AD placements but there have been clever bases that can funnel the queen into a high dps zones and give a level10 queen problems . I often tRy to run with 7 healers but most tougher bases required 9 it appears

very powerful Attack overall and one I recommmend so you can learn queen pathing if nothing else .

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Originally Posted by facescraper

It's a strategy high lvl war clans use to three star now also pairing the AQ Healer strat with lavaloon or hybrid hogs.

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While it is good for raiding, I'm surprised she is fast enough to 3-star in war.

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Originally Posted by Polaris

Can honestly say I have not been hit by a healer/hero attack since before the hero nerf last summer......with my th9 in low champs and my th10 in silver/gold, is it really that much of an issue? Completely serious question as I'm just not seeing it used against me.

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I've only been hit by it once so far, as a TH9 rexcently moved into Masters 3.

I've been using a reduced version to good effect myself for a week or two now, though my queen is only level 5 so far, and healers won't be maxed for another 2 days.

What others have said... lvl6 loons in cc. I run this strategy when de farming for big hero upgrades and if loons come out it hit cancel every time

I was hit by this a few times pre update and was also looking for a fix.
However post update i wasnt hit a single time by this attack. In fact it must have been a month since anyone has even targeted my de storage (though its been full all this time).
Id recommend leveling up your th9 defences as quickly as u can + using a ring design like the one that was just posted earlier.

A max pekka in your CC will 1-shot a queen at level 14 or lower. If the queen is higher than 14 she might get KO'd by the hits combined with defensive power so I advise packing teslas and xbows in the core for this.

If someone does super queen on you with a level 30+ queen there's not really much you can do though.

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Originally Posted by alexheney

While it is good for raiding, I'm surprised she is fast enough to 3-star in war.

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It's the walking queen strategy. It's used to clear one side and then funnel her in with the standard golems/WB. Need max heroes for higher chance of 3 stars.

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Originally Posted by DokuganR

Don't know if anyone has posted this before but first off, you shouldn't worry about your AD placement as the range of the Queen and Healers outreach the range of an AD. Instead, focus on a ring design such as the Hypercube: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...9-Farming-Base

http://i.imgur.com/jvLYAa5.jpg

It features an islanded DE storage compartment which manipulates the AQs range and makes her traverse around the core instead od heading into it- this is more common after the Hero AI 'fix' where they would rather diverge to the sides rather than hit a wall.

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I would Healer Queen the s**t out of this base ;)

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Originally Posted by barrettthorshov

I feel like it is cowardly because i have not seen a way around countering this type of attack as a th9. that being said if there is no way to counter this, its just a fool proof way of getting a star and some loot without much thought or skill. Unless i completely rearrange my base to focus even more dps in certain areas ive run out of ideas. My heroes are lvl15 and im being hit with lvl20-30. the damage isnt so great a difference at 10 - 15 lvls to determine success by itself.

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Why wouldnt you use it, its a good strategy and everyone wants to win. Why don't you do it back to people?

all I know is I'm a TH 8.5 and this is really, really irritating. The healers don't trip my air mines and with the range of the AD towers not being sufficient, there seems to be no way to defend against this. Wish Supercell would hurry up and nerf this or do something about, give me some kind of option. Right now the only thing I can do is lose 1,500-3,000 DE every time someone decides to attack me... all while I'm trying to save up for level 5 hogs so I can be effective in war.

Think I will try the air sweeper trick though. Pushing the healers into the AD seems like a good idea and I'd love nothing more than to see you people fail. I work hard in war and work hard in farming while you jerks hit me with this stupid ♥♥♥♥. Aint easy being cheesy is it?

If you wantt to avoid people Superqueening you, don't place your collectors in the centre. As soon as a lvl 30 queen gets into the core and the rescources are reachable for her from there, it's over.
I don't attack bases with her when the collectors are spread widely. (Makes the base weaker vs other attacks though)