Think They Will Update EQ Spell at Some Point?

You guys think they will eventually update the Earthquake Spell so that it is worth maxing out?

Seems like a total waist to upgrade at this point in time. Only thing it is used for is to open up walls and if it takes 4 level 1 EQ or 4 level 4 EQ spells then why would anyone ever upgrade them? They cost more per spell and what little additional damage to surrounding structures they do at higher levels seems rediculous to me offhand.

Seems to me like they should either increase the damage to regular structures or increase damage to walls so that at level 3 or 4 it would only take two or three EQ to open walls up. Otherwise ... Again ... Why would we upgrade them if no real benefits?

And yes ... I have to admit I upgraded mine to level 3 before realizing it did nothing to help me ... So I kinda feel like a fool for doing so.

Anyways ... Just wondering what your thoughts are and if you have heard anything through the grapevine on any possible changes?

Have Fun out there and Clash On!!! :-)

I assume they will update it. It doesn't make sense that 4 lvl 1 spells can tear down max walls. And I do not plan on upgrading it either.

I'm only going to use poison and haste anyway :Pp

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Originally Posted by jokelly1

I assume they will update it. It doesn't make sense that 4 lvl 1 spells can tear down max walls. And I do not plan on upgrading it either.

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Ya I think it would make more sense that it takes 4 level 4 spells to take down max walls and maybe 4 level 1 or 2 EQ could only take down say something like up to level 6 or 7 walls

If it takes more spells at lower levels it would be useless. Its like saying lvl1 jump spells should require two because they are only lvl1.

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Originally Posted by Squall9010

If it takes more spells at lower levels it would be useless. Its like saying lvl1 jump spells should require two because they are only lvl1.

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Not quite sure I agree with that reasoning ... There is a benefit to upgrading jump spells ... The spell lasts longer and gives your troops more time to use it. Compared to an EQ spell that with such little extra damage for upgrading it that there really is no benefit.

I understand your point on it and maybe most people will agree with you on it ... Just seems there should be some kind of benefit for upgrading it to me.

Thanksfor the reply and Clash On!

Based on the information on the earthquake spell, a lvl one does 6% (X4) damage. That means after using 3 spells, the wall will still have 40% health left. There is no way an additional spell should be able to destroy any wall that's @ 40% health. So it has to be a bug and thus will be corrected at some point.

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Originally Posted by BFBG

Ya I think it would make more sense that it takes 4 level 4 spells to take down max walls and maybe 4 level 1 or 2 EQ could only take down say something like up to level 6 or 7 walls

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I'm actually inclined to go the other way with it. It's fine that it takes 4 of these to tear down any level wall (after all, that's the same spell space as TWO jump spells; unless you literally want this spell to only be useful at TH8, nerfing this would be silly). If anything, leveling it up should have it take fewer spells to tear down various levels of walls (I think at max (whatever max is, maybe add another level), it should only take 3 to bring down max level walls).

BTW, to those that don't see the use in leveling it up, I present to you.... DATA.

http://sparrowsorder.com/earthquake.spell.png

Obviously the town hall is one of the highest HP structures in the game, but still... If you can use the spells and catch the edge of the TH while knocking down a bunch of walls you can effectively deal 40% damage to the TH (and really, any other structures you catch nearby). This is a huge advantage going in with an attack and having structures easy to knock down/finish off.

In case it's not clear from the table, the different rows (6, 8, 10, 12) are the different levels of earthquake spell available, and the six columns show the damage done consecutively with each spell and then the final total damage (and the percent damage dealt).

Would you want to drop them all on a concentration of builders huts? No. But if you can catch high HP defenses (inferno towers, cannons) and either the CC or TH, AND knock down some walls to make a path for your troops? That's amazing.

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Originally Posted by darkedgex

I'm actually inclined to go the other way with it. It's fine that it takes 4 of these to tear down any level wall (after all, that's the same spell space as TWO jump spells; unless you literally want this spell to only be useful at TH8, nerfing this would be silly). If anything, leveling it up should have it take fewer spells to tear down various levels of walls (I think at max (whatever max is, maybe add another level), it should only take 3 to bring down max level walls).

BTW, to those that don't see the use in leveling it up, I present to you.... DATA.

http://sparrowsorder.com/earthquake.spell.png

Obviously the town hall is one of the highest HP structures in the game, but still... If you can use the spells and catch the edge of the TH while knocking down a bunch of walls you can effectively deal 40% damage to the TH (and really, any other structures you catch nearby). This is a huge advantage going in with an attack and having structures easy to knock down/finish off.

In case it's not clear from the table, the different rows (6, 8, 10, 12) are the different levels of earthquake spell available, and the six columns show the damage done consecutively with each spell and then the final total damage (and the percent damage dealt).

Would you want to drop them all on a concentration of builders huts? No. But if you can catch high HP defenses (inferno towers, cannons) and either the CC or TH, AND knock down some walls to make a path for your troops? That's amazing.

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Thanks for the information and chart ... seems that right now as you point out ... using 4 EQ and catching 40% damage on other buildings near by (excluding Storages) is a good thing. I'm still inclined to see some changes but great example of what's going on with each level spell :-)

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Originally Posted by darkedgex

I'm actually inclined to go the other way with it. It's fine that it takes 4 of these to tear down any level wall (after all, that's the same spell space as TWO jump spells; unless you literally want this spell to only be useful at TH8, nerfing this would be silly). If anything, leveling it up should have it take fewer spells to tear down various levels of walls (I think at max (whatever max is, maybe add another level), it should only take 3 to bring down max level walls).

BTW, to those that don't see the use in leveling it up, I present to you.... DATA.

http://sparrowsorder.com/earthquake.spell.png

Obviously the town hall is one of the highest HP structures in the game, but still... If you can use the spells and catch the edge of the TH while knocking down a bunch of walls you can effectively deal 40% damage to the TH (and really, any other structures you catch nearby). This is a huge advantage going in with an attack and having structures easy to knock down/finish off.

In case it's not clear from the table, the different rows (6, 8, 10, 12) are the different levels of earthquake spell available, and the six columns show the damage done consecutively with each spell and then the final total damage (and the percent damage dealt).

Would you want to drop them all on a concentration of builders huts? No. But if you can catch high HP defenses (inferno towers, cannons) and either the CC or TH, AND knock down some walls to make a path for your troops? That's amazing.

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The other important note is that the Earthquake spell can potentially capture a 3 by 3 area of buildings in its radius.

With an 8 title radius, and it only needing to touch a building, it can weaken up to 9 buildings to 40% hp.

Now for a farmer, who cares. But for people warring or pushing every small advantage makes a difference.

im predicting a nerf on the eq spell

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Originally Posted by darkedgex

Would you want to drop them all on a concentration of builders huts? No. But if you can catch high HP defenses (inferno towers, cannons) and either the CC or TH, AND knock down some walls to make a path for your troops? That's amazing.

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True but reality of the game, at least at TH10 where I'm having my CW, is that most people are surrounding their TH with storages, because of their high HP. This was already the case before the upgrade and the EQ spell, so sticking to the sames bases, most of the time, you will only break the walls, make no damage to the storages that you hit at the same time, and maybe a bit of damages to some small building nearby... not worth the upgrade unless you have nothing else remaining in your lab.

A level 1 EQ does 6% damage to non-walls, excluding storages.
All EQ do 4x damage to walls, so a level 1 EQ should do 24% damage to walls.
Thus using 4 level1 EQ on walls should do 96% damage to walls, leaving them with 4% of their starting HPs. Yet I know first hand this is NOT true. 4 lvl1 EQ destroy any walls, so it must be closer to 25% in reality.


A lvl2 EQ does 8% to non-walls, but 32% to walls. 3 lvl2 EQ is also 96% to walls, which predicts that 3 lvl2 EQ will also destroy any walls (I have not tested this, mine are still lvl1). Assuming this prediction is true, it has big implications for a TH8 looking to use it against say a TH9, as only needing 3 instead of 4 spell slots to bring down walls allows a TH8 to bring a rage&heal to the party. Thus, it's possible for a TH8 to crack into a core, and rage/heal there (assuming my prediction is true).

Can anyone confirm?

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Originally Posted by Gunthar

A level 1 EQ does 6% damage to non-walls, excluding storages.
All EQ do 4x damage to walls, so a level 1 EQ should do 24% damage to walls.
Thus using 4 level1 EQ on walls should do 96% damage to walls, leaving them with 4% of their starting HPs. Yet I know first hand this is NOT true. 4 lvl1 EQ destroy any walls, so it must be closer to 25% in reality.


A lvl2 EQ does 8% to non-walls, but 32% to walls. 3 lvl2 EQ is also 96% to walls, which predicts that 3 lvl2 EQ will also destroy any walls (I have not tested this, mine are still lvl1). Assuming this prediction is true, it has big implications for a TH8 looking to use it against say a TH9, as only needing 3 instead of 4 spell slots to bring down walls allows a TH8 to bring a rage&heal to the party. Thus, it's possible for a TH8 to crack into a core, and rage/heal there (assuming my prediction is true).

Can anyone confirm?

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The EQ spell does a percentage damage to the remaining hitpoints of a building. It therefore gives diminishing returns on each strike.

I will only upgrade mine when my heroes and all other DE spells are max. Just for the bank of flaming troops in my profile :cool:.

Damage of level 1 earthquake against walls:
1st: 100% ----> 73% (27% damage)
2nd: 73% ----> 53% (20% damage)
3rd: 53% -----> 33% (20% damage)
4th: 33% -----> 0% (instant destruction due to low HP)

Damage of level 4 earthquake against walls:
1st: 100% -----> 60% (40% damage)
2nd: 60% -----> 40% (20% damage)
3rd: 40% ------> 20% (20% damage)
4th: 20% ------> 0% (instant destruction)

Once the HP of building goes bellow a certain level the damage of level 4 EQ and level 1 EQ is exactly the same.That's why it always takes 4 EQ to take down walls.

Yoyobuae, I believe you but that seems pretty dumb. If true there is no point in upgrading EQ. EQ seems specifically designed to take down walls and if any walls can be brought down after, and only after, 4 consecutive EQ... I don't know. It just makes no sense whatsoever.

Has anyone ever confirmed that it actually takes 4 lvl2 EQ to take down walls? I would like to know the empirical result to see whether it matches the theoretical.

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Originally Posted by Gunthar

Yoyobuae, I believe you but that seems pretty dumb. If true there is no point in upgrading EQ. EQ seems specifically designed to take down walls and if any walls can be brought down after, and only after, 4 consecutive EQ... I don't know. It just makes no sense whatsoever. Has anyone ever confirmed that it actually takes 4 lvl2 EQ to take down walls? I would like to know the empirical result to see whether it matches the theoretical.

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As explained previously the benefit is that more damage will be done to other buildings.

I'm thinking they will decrease the cost of the Earthquake Spell and increase the cost of the posion spell soon.

No. It is a glitch and needs to be fixed. It should not be possible for a lvl 1 spell to take down max walls with only 4 spells. Just look at it's stats.

Why would the forth lvl 1 spell kill a wall that has 40% remaining health, yet the lvl 4 spell takes the walls below 40% on the second spell, but STILL needs 4 spells to kill the wall.

I think people are too caught up in the wall breaking component. It's nice, and def a major component of the spell, but as someone said earlier its strength is in its ability to do building damage. Has anyone tried to drop 10 lvl3-4 EQ on a core w a TH and effectively snipe the TH and any other def in the spell area. You could easily barch the outside buildings for a stable 2* or use any other form of attack for potential 3 stars, without worrying about conventional tactics

Im predicting L1&2 quakes to be nerfed and L4 to be buffed.

im pretty sure 3 EQs take out walls when its lvl 4
edit: looks like the breaking point of earthquake doesnt increase with the damage for levels, my bad