Inferno bomb. New trap idea.

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Originally Posted by Smitso

Thanks for your reply. I think it should have like 3 or 4 levels.

Please let me elaborate the damage I proposed;

Given the fact that a Giant level 7 has 1100 hit-points - 280 damage doesn't sound like much, does it?
Also, a level 4 Healer can heal 71 hit-points per second. 10 Giants x 71 makes a total of 710 hit-points healed PER SECOND. That is insane compared to the limited splash damage that a max base can deal (apart from Town hall 10 with Inferno towers).

An Inferno bomb would have a smaller range, less power, and a given duration compared to the Inferno tower. Do you think those are to overpowered? Maximum Inferno towers do 42 damage per second to 5 targets over a 9 square radius. For unlimited time. And it blocks healing effects.

So to summarize, I don't believe they will be to over powered to start at 28 damage per second. Perhaps the level 1 could start at 25? And the final, level 4 could be like 32 damage per second.

Yours,
Smitso

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Heh, you're comparing your trap to the most powerful defense. If it blocks out healing effects, either reduce the damage or duration (duration seems the best idea, maybe to 6 seconds)

PS the set up of your thread is fine, but you want the link to my threads? Both are in my signature. :)

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

Heh, you're comparing your trap to the most powerful defense. If it blocks out healing effects, either reduce the damage or duration (duration seems the best idea, maybe to 6 seconds)

PS the set up of your thread is fine, but you want the link to my threads? Both are in my signature. :)

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The comparing with the Inferno tower is just to show that it is not really an overpowered trap design. Since there basically is no comparison with the Inferno tower itself, apart from the heal blocking effect (and part of the name).

The Inferno tower will remain the strongest defensive structure. And perhaps the Inferno bomb will be the strongest trap. That being said, the duration could be lower for the level 1 trap. But it should increase when you upgrade the bomb, as well as the damage.

I think it should be something like this;

Level 1
Damage: 25 damage per second
Duration: 5 seconds
Radius: 4 squares

Level 2
Damage: 28 damage per second
Duration: 6 seconds
Radius: 4 squares

Level 3
Damage: 30 damage per second
Duration: 7 seconds
Radius: 4,5 squares

Level 4
Damage: 32 damage per second
Duration: 8 seconds
Radius: 4,5 squares

I don't think that is to over powered. Since it still has a rather small range and a short duration. For the common used Barbarian/Archer farming armies this new bomb will be a nightmare. But so is the Giant Bomb and the Wizard Tower/Mortar.

Yours,
Smitso

I think, when it comes to any attacking or defending idea the whole balance between attack and defense power should be considered, if not, the game will just become boring
I think recently supercell has put more on defensive side ( archer tower shooting two times quicker with same total damage but very efficient for weak mass troops) remove royal luring possibility, adding skeltons traps, adding two air sweeper and 4th mortar before that...

i cant see the reason why should keep playing if looting just become impossible

also for war, it almost becomes impossible to 3 stars high TH10, yet 3 stars should not be easy and even allowed to very wise players, but if it turns to become impossible i think we are loosing here one of most reason to make the game challenging

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Originally Posted by Smitso

The comparing with the Inferno tower is just to show that it is not really an overpowered trap design. Since there basically is no comparison with the Inferno tower itself, apart from the heal blocking effect (and part of the name).

The Inferno tower will remain the strongest defensive structure. And perhaps the Inferno bomb will be the strongest trap. That being said, the duration could be lower for the level 1 trap. But it should increase when you upgrade the bomb, as well as the damage.

I think it should be something like this;

Level 1
Damage: 25 damage per second
Duration: 6 seconds
Radius: 6 squares

Level 2
Damage: 28 damage per second
Duration: 8 seconds
Radius: 6 squares

Level 3
Damage: 30 damage per second
Duration: 10 seconds
Radius: 6 squares

Level 4
Damage: 32 damage per second
Duration: 10 seconds
Radius: 6 squares

I don't think that is to over powered. Since it still has a rather small range and a short duration. For the common used Barbarian/Archer farming armies this new bomb will be a nightmare. But so is the Giant Bomb and the Wizard Tower/Mortar.

Yours,
Smitso

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Two things: a radius of 6 squares is bigger than a Healing Spell.
Also, I suggest a duration of 5>6>7>8 seconds, then it would be very good.

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Originally Posted by Hamidal

I think, when it comes to any attacking or defending idea the whole balance between attack and defense power should be considered, if not, the game will just become boring
I think recently supercell has put more on defensive side ( archer tower shooting two times quicker with same total damage but very efficient for weak mass troops) remove royal luring possibility, adding skeltons traps, adding two air sweeper and 4th mortar before that...

i cant see the reason why should keep playing if looting just become impossible

also for war, it almost becomes impossible to 3 stars high TH10, yet 3 stars should not be easy and even allowed to very wise players, but if it turns to become impossible i think we are loosing here one of most reason to make the game challenging

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I understand your point of view. I think.
The problem here is that the attacking with Giants and Healers is so overpowered it almost makes it easy to steal someones loot and completely obliterate their base. With simple and cheap units. That should, in my opinion, not be possible.

I did consider the Air Sweeper to be a game changer when it comes to Healers, but I'm afraid the Air Sweepers are just not up for the task to do that. Yes, the Healers get pushed back as well but never far enough to not reach the Giants for a quick heal. And the Giants gain 71 hit-points from a maximum level Healer. 142 hit-points if there are 2 Healers.

The splash damage that a base has, is no where near 71/142 damage per second. Only when you stack all Wizard Towers in one place, but be honest, who does that really? A maximum level Wizard Tower does 48 damage per second. And a maximum level Healer will heal 71 hit-points per second. On EVERY unit within the healing range.

So yea, either the Healer is overpowered. Or we need a trap to block the healing. You decide.

Yours,
Smitso

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

Two things: a radius of 6 squares is bigger than a Healing Spell.
Also, I suggest a duration of 5>6>7>8 seconds, then it would be very good.

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Just noticed that the healing Spell has a radius of 5 squares. So I guess 4 squares are in order for the bomb. Don't you agree?
Duration is optional. 5-6-7-8 is also possible.

Thanks for your feedback so far.

Yours,
Smitso

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Originally Posted by Smitso

Just noticed that the healing Spell has a radius of 5 squares. So I guess 4 squares are in order for the bomb. Don't you agree?
Duration is optional. 5-6-7-8 is also possible.

Thanks for your feedback so far.

Yours,
Smitso

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I've looked things up and 3 tiles seems like the most balanced damage radius for its power. :)

This comes from both the Giant Bomb and the Bomb; I got the information on the Clash of Clans wiki.:caticon:

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

I've looked things up and 3 tiles seems like the most balanced damage radius for its power. :)

This comes from both the Giant Bomb and the Bomb; I got the information on the Clash of Clans wiki.:caticon:

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What do you mean by radius? I think I have been unclear there. When I suggest a radius of 4 it is 8 tiles wide in the center (diameter). Like the new Haste spells is now. Radius x 2 = diameter.

So when you mean 3 tiles, it is as small as a giant bomb is, or 3x2 as well making it smaller then the new Haste spell? Since just 3 tiles wide would make it to small in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Smitso

What do you mean by radius? I think I have been unclear there. When I suggest a radius of 4 it is 8 tiles wide in the center (diameter). Like the new Haste spells is now. Radius x 2 = diameter.

So when you mean 3 tiles, it is as small as a giant bomb is, or 3x2 as well making it smaller then the new Haste spell? Since just 3 tiles wide would make it to small in my opinion.

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No. I know what you're saying. Keep the size the same, change the effect radius to 3 tile radius, or 6 tiles in diameter. That's what the Giant Bomb and Bomb are. I went to grade school :p

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Originally Posted by AnthonyVince

No. I know what you're saying. Keep the size the same, change the effect radius to 3 tile radius, or 6 tiles in diameter. That's what the Giant Bomb and Bomb are. I went to grade school :p

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Didn't mean to offend :p. Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page there.

Ill make a picture to clarify stuff anyway :p.
Thanks again for your feedback!

Yours,
Smitso