Removing inferno anti heal

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July 25th, 2015
Rahle

Removing inferno anti heal

How much would removing the anti heal from the ITowers affect the TH 10 attacks? Should SC look at this in a way of maybe balancing the huge difference between current attack power against defense power? I am too low to even consider the point of using the it's myself, but was just wondering.

i follow a lot of th 10 attacks both within my wars in past and on YouTube. Seems that the th 10 attacks are almost always a hard 2 star. What would happen if heals worked on a perma basis versus these ITs. I have heard in past that the anti heal was brought in as a counter for the hogs power at the time. Now since GBs do insane damage to hogs without a proper heal in place before hand, is the anti heal still mandatory as a defense against it?
July 25th, 2015
victort

Once you have some maxed troops and spells, you can 2 star an awfull lot of th10 as it is.... eg, 5 golem 2 jump, is quite safe 2 star, but not enough for 3 on strong th10......

I'd rather they stayed as is.....
July 25th, 2015
zachUVA

I would like it removed just for the sake of bringing a troop and a spell back to relevance against TH 10s. It would require some further balancing for multi infernos though, perhaps raising multi damage slightly or even raising the targets by 1 would be appropriate.

I always thought that taking healing out of the equation at TH 10 (for most kinds of raids) was a cheap way to balance hogs. They have been making real progress on the game balance over the past few updates, and if they could find a way to rectify this I would be really happy.
July 25th, 2015
blaoivhee

And when u get to th10 . U will change ur mind. Yep , that's human nature , always think about what is good for them right now instead of what is good for them in the future.
July 25th, 2015
Curendaro

there are layouts out there which are impossible to 3 star, no matter if you have max units max spells and max heros

no matter which attack strategy, no matter how you try

is that balanced?

xD
July 25th, 2015
Saleh47

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

I would like it removed just for the sake of bringing a troop and a spell back to relevance against TH 10s. It would require some further balancing for multi infernos though, perhaps raising multi damage slightly or even raising the targets by 1 would be appropriate.

I always thought that taking healing out of the equation at TH 10 (for most kinds of raids) was a cheap way to balance hogs. They have been making real progress on the game balance over the past few updates, and if they could find a way to rectify this I would be really happy.

I would say better add a lvl to freeze. Removing this ability means hogs/giants will dominate most attacks. I can see open bases 3 starred really easy. As much as I have used GoWiWi at th9 I can see 3 stars at th10 getting really easy especially against open bases or circular bases.

Just imagine 20 lvl7 giants with healers and healing, rage and jump behind them. What would stop that?
July 25th, 2015
Tfu

Pretty stupid how one defense completely negates a troop and a spell. That's not balance at all. They could just nerf the amount of heal under an inferno. Maybe 25 percent with one inferno locked on and 75 with both. It's definitely not balanced out when you just take two factors out of th10 gameplay
July 25th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by Saleh47

I would say better add a lvl to freeze. Removing this ability means hogs/giants will dominate most attacks. I can see open bases 3 starred really easy. As much as I have used GoWiWi at th9 I can see 3 stars at th10 getting really easy especially against open bases or circular bases.

Just imagine 20 lvl7 giants with healers and healing, rage and jump behind them. What would stop that?

Apparently most defenses, because this isn't a strategy seen at TH9 where there are no infernos at all.
July 25th, 2015
zachUVA

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Originally Posted by Saleh47

I would say better add a lvl to freeze. Removing this ability means hogs/giants will dominate most attacks. I can see open bases 3 starred really easy. As much as I have used GoWiWi at th9 I can see 3 stars at th10 getting really easy especially against open bases or circular bases.

Just imagine 20 lvl7 giants with healers and healing, rage and jump behind them. What would stop that?

I already acknowledged that defense (particularly multi infernos) would need a buff to compensate; the anti-heal was put in for a what I consider a bad reason, but a reason nonetheless. As for giant and/or hog attacks, I say it's a good thing if they would be viable armies (of course not easy-3 armies), anti-heal took too much out of play.
July 25th, 2015
andrgin

Even without the anti heal effect hogs would not be a strategy for high th10s. There is simply so much damag in the core that you cant heal through it. It is not only the 2 more levels of the defenses. You also 1 more xbow, archer tower and cannon as well as 5 giant bombs that also have 1 extra level that increases the radius as well and that is all without the infernos. Hogs are combined with other troops to give your army more 3 star character.

Also removing the anti heal effect would only have the effect that everybody will set his infernos to single we would see giant wizard raids instead of 5 golem + wizards.
July 25th, 2015
Rahle

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Originally Posted by blaoivhee

And when u get to th10 . U will change ur mind. Yep , that's human nature , always think about what is good for them right now instead of what is good for them in the future.

That may very well be, however I am not there and was more interested in hearing a discussion on the topic. At the point that I get there I may very well change my perspective. But I wanted to hear from people that have actually been there and dealt with it. My current frame of mind however has nothing to do with the thread. I mentioned I am not there and was wondering if this would make a difference. I do not attack th 10s at current so I could care less if they were done or not, however thank you for you comment on human nature, when I post a thread about it I will use your post as a credit to my point.
July 25th, 2015
Pranav

I completely agree, anti-heal was totally unnecessary, you would see it being use a ton at TH9, both in war and farming, and hogs were still used pretty often in war also.

Suddenly at TH10, nobody brings heal nor hogs (maybe except to lure) because of one stupid defense. Maybe if fernos are on single, but I have nvr seen a TH10 without at least one inferno on multi, except the premmie TH10s.
July 25th, 2015
Ternic

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Originally Posted by andrgin

Even without the anti heal effect hogs would not be a strategy for high th10s. There is simply so much damag in the core that you cant heal through it. It is not only the 2 more levels of the defenses. You also 1 more xbow, archer tower and cannon as well as 5 giant bombs that also have 1 extra level that increases the radius as well and that is all without the infernos. Hogs are combined with other troops to give your army more 3 star character.

Also removing the anti heal effect would only have the effect that everybody will set his infernos to single we would see giant wizard raids instead of 5 golem + wizards.

Here's my thing with this, i support this idea of removing heal from inferno's or something like it because, jeez do TH10's need some diversity in war's. It was already pretty low before, now with the 2 air sweepers? Any 3 star attacks against strong TH10's are just not gonna happen for 99 percent of players, I even saw a recent war with a pretty popular war clan who themselves have resigned to 2 stars on TH10's now.

Th10 war's have become gowipe for 2 stars. That's it. If i was a maxed TH9 i wouldn't upgrade until they get this sorted out. Right now TH9 has the most diversity of attacks in the game, and bam you hit TH10 and you get 1 attack strategy, and no chance for the 3 star. (i know 3 stars are still possible but it's become such a low chance that most clans have decided it isn't worth it to try from what i've seen).

I can look at the TH10 bases before war starts now, ours and the enemies, and guess with 99 percent accuracy how many stars are gonna be on them at the end, not even knowing the enemies skill level, that's pretty sad. The only other TH level you can guess that well is TH7. I really don't think air attacks needed to be messed with at TH10, they were very risky 3 star attempts, and took a lot of skill. If anything, ground attacks need to be addressed. I think TH10 needs a new ground troop, something that would enable a risky 3 star strat, or something.

Anyway slightly off topic, but that's my 2 cents
July 25th, 2015
blaoivhee

No anti healing = everyone is using single target inferno = doesn't change anything
and freeze spell is useless
July 25th, 2015
Rahle

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Originally Posted by blaoivhee

No anti healing = everyone is using single target inferno = doesn't change anything
and freeze spell is useless

All that means is that the other parts of this need to be tweaked, Mayhaps up the damage on multi target a bit. With ability to heal means that you may be able to heal your troop long enough to get into that core to get the IT. Currently even with freeze it is highly unlikely to get a high attack % without either a lot of luck, or a poorly made base.
July 25th, 2015
Squall9010

Would make multis useless, partial resistance at lower lvls is all I think should even be considered.
July 25th, 2015
Saleh47

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Originally Posted by Squall9010

Would make multis useless, partial resistance at lower lvls is all I think should even be considered.

Just what I was thinking about. Instead of blocking healing. Decrease effect like on heroes. Lets says 30% on lvl1,40% on lvl2 and 50% on lvl3 inferno(% could be anything). This will allow use of heal and still keep this effect around
July 25th, 2015
andrgin

1.) We have 3 th10s and win our wars because we can 2 star the strong bases while the others can not. I am nearly max except for walls and attackers get either 0 stars or barely 1 by 50% without coming close to the th. I think it is good the way it is. The only thing that should change is making infernos on single a bit stronger. Last ware we fought against a clan with all infernos on single and it was really easy. Much more wizards survive and with a few giants you have lots of tanking.

2.) Removing the anti heal effect on heroes has no effect. What kills the queen is not the inferno on multi, but the xbows behind if the golems are gone.
July 25th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by andrgin

1.) We have 3 th10s and win our wars because we can 2 star the strong bases while the others can not. I am nearly max except for walls and attackers get either 0 stars or barely 1 by 50% without coming close to the th. I think it is good the way it is. The only thing that should change is making infernos on single a bit stronger. Last ware we fought against a clan with all infernos on single and it was really easy. Much more wizards survive and with a few giants you have lots of tanking.

2.) Removing the anti heal effect on heroes has no effect. What kills the queen is not the inferno on multi, but the xbows behind if the golems are gone.

So because you're winning, it's fine the way it is?

Rather than using arguments like that which don't really talk about the issue at all, let's focus on the issue at hand:

One defense, for that reason, completely nullifies hogs and heal spells, while it is near impossible to three star many TH10s. This tells us that this defense, and this tower in particular, is overpowered and needs to be nerfed. If it's properly balanced, a great attacker would have at least, say, a 20% chance to 3 star a TH10 without seeing the contents of the CC/trap locations and maybe a 30-40% chance of pulling it off then. If it's more like 0%, defense is overpowered, and wars are pointless because the % destroyed doesn't really matter. Cool, everyone was two starred, doesn't matter if it was 50% or 99%, it all counts the same.

In essence, we either need more stars/base, or make it possible to 3 star TH10s.
July 25th, 2015
ChannyBeast23

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Originally Posted by Saleh47

I would say better add a lvl to freeze. Removing this ability means hogs/giants will dominate most attacks. I can see open bases 3 starred really easy. As much as I have used GoWiWi at th9 I can see 3 stars at th10 getting really easy especially against open bases or circular bases.

Just imagine 20 lvl7 giants with healers and healing, rage and jump behind them. What would stop that?

Bombs,traps,skellies, and apparently most defenses besides air D.

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

Apparently most defenses, because this isn't a strategy seen at TH9 where there are no infernos at all.

lol golden response.
July 25th, 2015
KletusfromEvilQueso

I do think they need to figure out a way from townhall 10's to be a little more accessible for three starring. I don't know if removing the inferno towers heal ability is the way to make that happen.
July 25th, 2015
SuperR0ck

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

In essence, we either need more stars/base, or make it possible to 3 star TH10s.

It's a consensus that 3 star a TH10 is near impossible. It can happen but is way too rare.

That lead me to few thoughts:

What SC is thinking about: How difficult must be 3 star a TH10? A TH9 attacking TH10 will luckily get 50% on a open base. The infernos simple block the TH9 perform attacks in TH10 and get a centered TH.

I agree that anti-healer is OP and can be removed to open other attacks possibilities. The infernos already perform a lot of damage. Add the third x-bow and additional level to all defenses in TH10 to the equation. Basically creates a rule were TH10 can be attacked by TH10 only.

And think about one more thing: TH11 !!! It will appear eventually. If SC continues with the current approach, TH11 will be virtually impossible to be 2 starred by a TH10. WoW!
July 25th, 2015
arunt

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Originally Posted by SuperR0ck

It's a consensus that 3 star a TH10 is near impossible. It can happen but is way too rare.

That lead me to few thoughts:

What SC is thinking about: How difficult must be 3 star a TH10? A TH9 attacking TH10 will luckily get 50% on a open base. The infernos simple block the TH9 perform attacks in TH10 and get a centered TH.

I agree that anti-healer is OP and can be removed to open other attacks possibilities. The infernos already perform a lot of damage. Add the third x-bow and additional level to all defenses in TH10 to the equation. Basically creates a rule were TH10 can be attacked by TH10 only.

And think about one more thing: TH11 !!! It will appear eventually. If SC continues with the current approach, TH11 will be virtually impossible to be 2 starred by a TH10. WoW!

Actually, think of how hard it will be for TH11 to raid TH10 bases for loot! If TH10 loot was pretty bad for quite some time, imagine what will be TH11 farming like :eek:

But I digress. Honestly, I do not see any problem with healing being allowed when under inferno fire. Multi-infernos will still shred low hp troops when not under heal, and how many healing spells can you take when attacking a strong TH10 anyway? You already need those jumps and rages. Single target will still not care for heal.

I see it being truly effective for troops like giants, valkyries and hogs. Maybe Supercell could run simulations and see if this is balanced?
July 25th, 2015
steelseth

Hmmmmm remove the anti heal from infernos.

We are already seeing queen walks that destroy 30+% of the base.

Lets make every TH10 as 3 star prone as a TH8.

AQ + 8 healers, as few wb and some jump spells .... some hogs and wiz for the backend so you dont run out of time ... 3 star.

Great idea guys ... keep it up.
July 25th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by steelseth

Hmmmmm remove the anti heal from infernos.

We are already seeing queen walks that destroy 30+% of the base.

Lets make every TH10 as 3 star prone as a TH8.

AQ + 8 healers, as few wb and some jump spells .... some hogs and wiz for the backend so you dont run out of time ... 3 star.

Great idea guys ... keep it up.

Once again, if this was so OP, why isn't it happening at TH9?

Hint: time limit

Doesn't change the fact that queen/healer needs to be nerfed though.
July 25th, 2015
steelseth

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

Once again, if this was so OP, why isn't it happening at TH9?

What do you know about th9 attacks ?
July 25th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by steelseth

What do you know about th9 attacks ?

That I've never heard of a maxed TH9 3 starred by queen/healer, have fun looking down on me for my TH level when you just stated something beyond preposterous and you know it.

Leave your hatred of me at home and argue my actual points.
July 25th, 2015
steelseth

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

Once again, if this was so OP, why isn't it happening at TH9?

Hint: time limit

Doesn't change the fact that queen/healer needs to be nerfed though.

Hint: learn to read.
July 25th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by steelseth

Hint: learn to read.

Read that every time I post and you respond, you harass me? Yeah, I've noticed that. Now, how many TH9s are three starring other maxed TH9s with giant healer?

And if this is the reason not to, wouldn't it be easier to nerf queen/healer range and bring balance to TH10 attacks? Or are you going to tell me that because I'm not a TH10, I can't state that TH10 offense/defense is not balanced even though everyone knows it?
July 25th, 2015
steelseth

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

That I've never heard of a maxed TH9 3 starred by queen/healer, have fun looking down on me for my TH level when you just stated something beyond preposterous and you know it.

Leave your hatred of me at home and argue my actual points.

Just because you havent heard it doesnt mean its not possible.

The AQ A.I changed recently if you havent noticed .... then again you wouldnt know.

Why havent you seen queen walks before the update?

Hint: AQ used to love walls.

Im a Buddhist I hate no man.
July 26th, 2015
steelseth

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

Read that every time I post and you respond, you harass me? Yeah, I've noticed that. Now, how many TH9s are three starring other maxed TH9s with giant healer?

And if this is the reason not to, wouldn't it be easier to nerf queen/healer range and bring balance to TH10 attacks? Or are you going to tell me that because I'm not a TH10, I can't state that TH10 offense/defense is not balanced even though everyone knows it?

FYI, I wasnt replying to you .... you are the one that took it upon youself to respond to me and tell me how wrong I was because apparently you know all things clash.

Whos harassing who here ?

It easy, you dont like my comments dont respond to me or maybe read them and learn something.
July 26th, 2015
samc233

The only really con about it is that it's very tough for th9's to counter multi infernos. Everything else is fine
July 26th, 2015
FisherPrice

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Originally Posted by Saleh47

I would say better add a lvl to freeze. Removing this ability means hogs/giants will dominate most attacks. I can see open bases 3 starred really easy. As much as I have used GoWiWi at th9 I can see 3 stars at th10 getting really easy especially against open bases or circular bases.

Just imagine 20 lvl7 giants with healers and healing, rage and jump behind them. What would stop that?

lvl6 giants at TH9 seem more powerful than lvl7 giants at TH10 (because of all the TH10 defenses additions and upgrades)...and TH9 already gets max rage, max heal, and max healer.

If it were so easy to just use mass giant/healer for success in war why aren't TH9's doing it? It would be more powerful for TH9 vs TH9 than TH10 vs TH10.
July 26th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by steelseth

FYI, I wasnt replying to you .... you are the one that took it upon youself to respond to me and tell me how wrong I was because apparently you know all things clash.

Whos harassing who here ?

It easy, you dont like my comments dont respond to me or maybe read them and learn something.

Oh, I'm sorry that you posted something blatantly wrong and I pointed it out. Do I know all things clash? Of course not. But I do know that what you were saying is preposterous.
July 26th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by samc233

The only really con about it is that it's very tough for th9's to counter multi infernos. Everything else is fine

And the fact that max TH10s are virtually impossible to three star, which is the serious problem with a three star system.

What is preferable? TH9s where a multitude of potential three star strategies exist, or TH10 where there are just a couple of two star strategies because of the OP inferno tower?
July 26th, 2015
SuperR0ck

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Originally Posted by arunt

Actually, think of how hard it will be for TH11 to raid TH10 bases for loot! If TH10 loot was pretty bad for quite some time, imagine what will be TH11 farming like :eek:

Yes and LOL!
I guess TH11 will have to rely on high league for win bonuses. 50% loot penalty will not worth to get loot from TH9.

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Originally Posted by arunt

But I digress. Honestly, I do not see any problem with healing being allowed when under inferno fire. Multi-infernos will still shred low hp troops when not under heal, and how many healing spells can you take when attacking a strong TH10 anyway? You already need those jumps and rages. Single target will still not care for heal.

I see it being truly effective for troops like giants, valkyries and hogs. Maybe Supercell could run simulations and see if this is balanced?

I can't answer that because there is no way to test it. Like you said, maybe SC did some simulations. Maybe hogs will be killed by multi-infernos even under healing ... Only SC knows.
Any way
July 26th, 2015
steelseth

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

Oh, I'm sorry that you posted something blatantly wrong and I pointed it out. Do I know all things clash? Of course not. But I do know that what you were saying is preposterous.

From your point of view it must seem wrong because you know .... there is no youtube video of it ... so it must not be possible.
July 26th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by steelseth

From your point of view it must seem wrong because you know .... there is no youtube video of it ... so it must not be possible.

If it was happening, then TH9s would quickly find out about it, and every TH9 on TH9 war would be nothing but queen healer like TH7s is nothing but dragons vs dragons. but guess what. it isn't. Because you're wrong, and are resorting to the "you're not a TH9 or TH10 therefore you're not allowed to have an opinion" argument again.

So what does "my POV" have to do with anything?
July 26th, 2015
steelseth

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

If it was happening, then TH9s would quickly find out about it, and every TH9 on TH9 war would be nothing but queen healer like TH7s is nothing but dragons vs dragons. but guess what. it isn't. Because you're wrong, and are resorting to the "you're not a TH9 or TH10 therefore you're not allowed to have an opinion" argument again.

So what does "my POV" have to do with anything?

I imagine pentaloon would seem just as preposterous to you before youtubers made it popular. You must have thought ... those flying pigs only do 14 dps, they are useless ... I need more loons .... 16 loons are not enough.

It wouldnt be as popular as dragon attacks are at TH7 because not many TH9s have lvl30 heroes.

Well your point of view comes into play because of two things.

1. You are not willing to accept that someone else might know better than you.

2. You cant know until someone uploads it to youtube and you watch a video.

I was doing CB hog attacks, and Im sure others too, before any of the youtubers started showing them in their videos.

There are alot of war clans that dont like making their attack strategies public.
July 26th, 2015
thebuch4

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Originally Posted by steelseth

I imagine pentaloon would seem just as preposterous to you before youtubers made it popular. You must have thought ... those flying pigs only do 14 dps, they are useless ... I need more loons .... 16 loons are not enough.

It wouldnt be as popular as dragon attacks are at TH7 because not many TH9s have lvl30 heroes.

Well your point of view comes into play because of two things.

1. You are not willing to accept that someone else might know better than you.

2. You cant know until someone uploads it to youtube and you watch a video.

I was doing CB hog attacks, and Im sure others too, before any of the youtubers started showing them in their videos.

There are alot of war clans that dont like making their attack strategies public.

Okay, rather than argue this all randomly, please point to one instance of a max TH9 three starred by a 9 with nothing but a queen and healers. Just one example, on a base that actually has walls to slow her down, and I'll concede that you know more than me.

But instead, you're trying to make the argument that they can't nerf IT's like this because solo AQs would be able to three star TH10s.. And if that was true, then an IT on single would fry her anyway.
July 26th, 2015
steelseth

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Originally Posted by thebuch4

Okay, rather than argue this all randomly, please point to one instance of a max TH9 three starred by a 9 with nothing but a queen and healers. Just one example, on a base that actually has walls to slow her down, and I'll concede that you know more than me.

But instead, you're trying to make the argument that they can't nerf IT's like this because solo AQs would be able to three star TH10s.. And if that was true, then an IT on single would fry her anyway.

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Originally Posted by steelseth

Hmmmmm remove the anti heal from infernos.

We are already seeing queen walks that destroy 30+% of the base.

Lets make every TH10 as 3 star prone as a TH8.

AQ + 8 healers, as few wb and some jump spells .... some hogs and wiz for the backend so you dont run out of time ... 3 star.

Great idea guys ... keep it up.

As I said before and you took it as an insult ... learn to read.
July 26th, 2015
SinOfDusk

The inferno anti heal made rushing to th10 a better option. When I was th9.5, I regularly got steamrolled by the same army, 20-24 giant gibarch, but after getting lvl1 infernos, all I get are snipes and fail attempts. Infernos anti heal really made it almost impossible for giants to stand up well to my base
July 26th, 2015
Rahle

Doesn't the argument that queen healer would be op mean that you would have mostly a queen and healer and a few troops as mentioned backend extras. But would the healers take no damage from the AD, unless used perfectly. And then you would have the IT set to multi if it was, does that not mean the it would be targeting the healers and hitting rather hard on a troop that would not get healed itself ? Something tells me the idea of queen healer is set up with the idea that a very limited amount of possibilities would have to be played out. As mentioned also, without the healing the IT multi may need a tweak, but would be able to be worked around with heals in right spots at proper times.
Basing an argument that it would never work on something that would have to be a huge set of circumstances may not be the best way to say that it would never work.
July 26th, 2015
steelseth

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Originally Posted by Rahle

Doesn't the argument that queen healer would be op mean that you would have mostly a queen and healer and a few troops as mentioned backend extras.

No it doesnt you would bring what is needed. Assuming on a typical base you wouldnt have more than 4 point defenses together + xbows + some splash damage = 600 - 700 dps at any point, so about 8 healers should do the trick.
So that leaves 163 space to bring anything else you need.

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Originally Posted by Rahle

But would the healers take no damage from the AD, unless used perfectly.

No the healers are out of range of the AD when healing the queen. For the AD to reach the healers they must move to an angle on the side of the queen rather than behind her.

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Originally Posted by Rahle

And then you would have the IT set to multi if it was, does that not mean the it would be targeting the healers and hitting rather hard on a troop that would not get healed itself ?

Healers have 1176 hitpoints so a multi inferno would take ~30 second to kill them .... take into account that you also have freeze spells and that a lvl40 queen using her ability can 2 shot an IT, I dont thing thats a problem.

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Originally Posted by Rahle

Something tells me the idea of queen healer is set up with the idea that a very limited amount of possibilities would have to be played out. As mentioned also, without the healing the IT multi may need a tweak, but would be able to be worked around with heals in right spots at proper times.
Basing an argument that it would never work on something that would have to be a huge set of circumstances may not be the best way to say that it would never work.

Not at all, certainly bases would be set up to counter this but that would open them up to other strategies to be 3 stared. If you take into account that as it is now a well planned queen walk with 3-4 healers can take out 30-40% of the base on her own, removing the anti-heal from infernos I can easily see her going into the core and taking out the core of the base leaving only a ring of outer defenses remaining to be picked by hogs.
July 26th, 2015
Saleh47

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Originally Posted by FisherPrice

lvl6 giants at TH9 seem more powerful than lvl7 giants at TH10 (because of all the TH10 defenses additions and upgrades)...and TH9 already gets max rage, max heal, and max healer.

If it were so easy to just use mass giant/healer for success in war why aren't TH9's doing it? It would be more powerful for TH9 vs TH9 than TH10 vs TH10.

Not against any base. I'm talking exclusively about open bases. The ones that 90% of champion and above are using. Those don't have any spring traps inside and airdefenses are wide spread. So giants with healing and healers will cause chaos in them whether there are more defenses/lvls or not the number of giants + heals & healers will just 3 star a base like that with ease. I don't think this will happen anyway.
July 26th, 2015
thebuch4

Better anti-queen healer solution, since that strategy doesn't really go with the spirit of the game:

Healers are thought of like guardian angels, that protect one troop. Their heal spells still do area splash, but only one healer will heal each troop at a time. This means that only one healer will lock onto a queen, but if you want to put three healers on a group of giants it will still work as SC drew it up (as long as number of giants>number of healers)
July 26th, 2015
lyesqiz

I completely agree, anti-heal was totally unnecessary, you would see it being use a ton at TH9, both in war and farming, and hogs were still used pretty often in war also. let you permanently delete all these private data that you don't want the public to know.
July 26th, 2015
Superfinch30

Hmm. Interesting one.

There would indeed have to be a major change in the infernos if heal were removed.

Many of the other points raised in this thread are rather difficult to debate, BECAUSE of the anti-healing.

Th10 CAN use big open bases, trying to make funnelling difficult, because Giants, hogs, valks, won't live forever, because of anti-heal. You don't see quite as religious a commitment to double GB spots....

Th9s can't use similar designs, as mass healed valks or similar would indeed rip them.

No, quealer doesn't work, because of time rather than anything else. I've seen someone pop a decent % 2* on a medium th10 with quealer, with all freeze. They froze the ITs periodically as soon as Q health was dropping.

Unless there was a massive change on top of anti-heal removal, I think 3* would become too easy at th10.
3 golem go-hog or similar would be that bit too viable I feel.
July 26th, 2015
Superfinch30

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyesqiz

I completely agree, anti-heal was totally unnecessary, you would see it being use a ton at TH9, both in war and farming, and hogs were still used pretty often in war also.

No, it was necessary. Until you've seen masses of maxed 10s 3 starred by hog spam with very little in the way of thought, you wouldn't get it.

Extra GB damage may have made that a little superfluous now, but just straight removal of anti-heal would be worrying.
July 26th, 2015
fre3dom

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saleh47

Not against any base. I'm talking exclusively about open bases. The ones that 90% of champion and above are using. Those don't have any spring traps inside and airdefenses are wide spread. So giants with healing and healers will cause chaos in them whether there are more defenses/lvls or not the number of giants + heals & healers will just 3 star a base like that with ease. I don't think this will happen anyway.

They need to change base. Like what they did when they introduce centralized hero, new air sweeper, additional mortars, EQ & jump remake.
They will need to change it because it isn't effective anymore, I would say it's actually good. It's boring to see the similar open bases that probably 70%+ TH10 use in master++

TBH, rather than removing anti-heal, I would rather reduce the anti-heal.
15% on lv 1
40% on lv 2
75% on lv 3
and keep 100% anti heal on single inferno on all levels

It will still keep healer and heal spell works to a certain amount at TH10 while also didn't make it that much OP like pre TH10. It will also kinda balance rusher who try to only get inferno. As it is now, even lv 1 infernos makes TH8 defences harder to be defeated with farming troops compared to max TH9
July 26th, 2015
thebuch4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfinch30

Unless there was a massive change on top of anti-heal removal, I think 3* would become too easy at th10.
3 golem go-hog or similar would be that bit too viable I feel.

And right now, it is waaayyy too hard for someone who ground out their 40/40 heroes to get max TH10 three stars, so yeah, we do need a massive change.
July 26th, 2015
steelseth

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebuch4

And right now, it is waaayyy too hard for someone who ground out their 40/40 heroes to get max TH10 three stars, so yeah, we do need a massive change.

Who needs a massive change?

I dont need a change.

I dont see any other TH10s complaining.

Are you suggesting that TH8s should dictate the way TH10s do war?

In a year and a half from now when you have 40/40 heroes come back and complain.
July 26th, 2015
FisherPrice

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saleh47

Not against any base. I'm talking exclusively about open bases. The ones that 90% of champion and above are using. Those don't have any spring traps inside and airdefenses are wide spread. So giants with healing and healers will cause chaos in them whether there are more defenses/lvls or not the number of giants + heals & healers will just 3 star a base like that with ease. I don't think this will happen anyway.

Why is it not used at TH9?
July 26th, 2015
Superfinch30

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebuch4

And right now, it is waaayyy too hard for someone who ground out their 40/40 heroes to get max TH10 three stars, so yeah, we do need a massive change.

I didn't say I wouldn't welcome a change, just said that directly removing anti-heal without another change to part-rebalance would make 3* too easy.

Much as the YouTube heroes and elite war community like to make out, th9vsth9 3* aren't easy.
It either takes a big hero difference, a wonderful attack, or a woeful layout for the average to good honest player.

I am only implying that purely removing anti-heal would make it TOO easy to 3* tens.

Face-roll hogs used to able to do it, but that was before static heroes and double GBs.

I would like to see a change, but 3 starting a max th10 even with max heroes should be at the very least as difficult as 9-on-9 now, just not virtually impossible like now.
July 26th, 2015
Pinheiro

Remove anti-heal

And make it target all units on its radius 👍
July 26th, 2015
Superfinch30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinheiro

And make it target all units on its radius 👍

Really? What difference does that make? A lv3 inferno doing 42 dmg to 5 hogs or 40 hogs makes virtually no difference, still going to roll it as long as they're healed.

Being as you were having great trouble with your barely double digit queen not long ago, not convinced this is the discussion for you.
July 26th, 2015
Pinheiro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfinch30

Really? What difference does that make? A lv3 inferno doing 42 dmg to 5 hogs or 40 hogs makes virtually no difference, still going to roll it as long as they're healed.

Being as you were having great trouble with your barely double digit queen not long ago, not convinced this is the discussion for you.

Who the hell is you and why you think you have the right to talk this way with me?
July 26th, 2015
GameloverHD

I feel like it's fairly balanced right now though I wish they would re-introduce Hogs in some way.

Removing the anti-heal would only buff TH9 attacks and not much at that since the Heal spell is almost complete garbage at TH10. TH10 v TH10 attacks would pretty much remain the same in my opinion and TH9s would get a minor buff to their Giants. I agree how it's unfair for one defense to absolutely dictate the flow of the game but I think it is well deserved since it IS the most difficult defense to get.

Personally, I don't feel as there's much that can be done about the Inferno Tower, especially since offense is much more powerful than defense right now.
July 26th, 2015
thebuch4

Quote:

Originally Posted by steelseth

Who needs a massive change?

I dont need a change.

I dont see any other TH10s complaining.

Are you suggesting that TH8s should dictate the way TH10s do war?

In a year and a half from now when you have 40/40 heroes come back and complain.

No, I'm saying that wars should give the possibility for a 3 star and not just be about 1 and 2 stars.. It should be more than a bunch of two stars down the board with a couple lower tens threed at the bottoms.
July 26th, 2015
Superfinch30

Well....I am superfinch, as you can probably see...

I didn't particularly insult you, but you did have a big rant thread about new Queen AI, in which it was fairly obvious you are a th9 with less than huge heroes.

I think it's fairly reasonable, given that info, to wonder why you care how hard it is to 3* a th10.
July 26th, 2015
steelseth

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebuch4

No, I'm saying that wars should give the possibility for a 3 star and not just be about 1 and 2 stars.. It should be more than a bunch of two stars down the board with a couple lower tens threed at the bottoms.

Read what finch said at the end of the previous page .... it applies even more to you since you are a TH8.
July 26th, 2015
iGroot

Drop a freeze on the inferno that is attacking you. Drop a heal on those troops that took damage.
July 26th, 2015
Pinheiro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfinch30

Well....I am superfinch, as you can probably see...

I didn't particularly insult you, but you did have a big rant thread about new Queen AI, in which it was fairly obvious you are a th9 with less than huge heroes.

I think it's fairly reasonable, given that info, to wonder why you care how hard it is to 3* a th10.

Well, I think I won't have any problem at TH10 due to the fact that I three star max TH9's with 15 Royals and level one Pekka.

TH10 have level 5 Pekkas and 40 Royals, God ♥♥♥♥♥♥, how can it be hard to GoWiPe a side and backLoon the other.
July 26th, 2015
Rahle

Quote:

Originally Posted by fre3dom

They need to change base. Like what they did when they introduce centralized hero, new air sweeper, additional mortars, EQ & jump remake.
They will need to change it because it isn't effective anymore, I would say it's actually good. It's boring to see the similar open bases that probably 70%+ TH10 use in master++

TBH, rather than removing anti-heal, I would rather reduce the anti-heal.
15% on lv 1
40% on lv 2
75% on lv 3
and keep 100% anti heal on single inferno on all levels

It will still keep healer and heal spell works to a certain amount at TH10 while also didn't make it that much OP like pre TH10. It will also kinda balance rusher who try to only get inferno. As it is now, even lv 1 infernos makes TH8 defences harder to be defeated with farming troops compared to max TH9

That may be a decent change, would give a good reason to upgrade the IT other then because you have most other things done. If the tower doesn't quite perform as much as you like at low level then bump up. The complete anti heal would be a good reason to keep at 1 target, but would you need to also bump the damage so that it takes out that target at a decent rate ? I honestly don't know.
July 26th, 2015
Rahle

Any chance we can get a mod to put a pole in with this, with a few different choices? Would like to see an actual number of people that for or against and or for with a few changes made kinda thing.
July 26th, 2015
FisherPrice

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfinch30

Really? What difference does that make? A lv3 inferno doing 42 dmg to 5 hogs or 40 hogs makes virtually no difference, still going to roll it as long as they're healed.

Being as you were having great trouble with your barely double digit queen not long ago, not convinced this is the discussion for you.

There are a lot of other defenses on the map besides the inferno towers.

I haven't yet figured out why people act as though the inferno tower itself is the one and only thing in the base doing damage to your troops.
July 26th, 2015
thebuch4

Quote:

Originally Posted by steelseth

Read what finch said at the end of the previous page .... it applies even more to you since you are a TH8.

What? All I'm saying is that something needs to be done to make 10s three starrable. I'm not saying any change should be made in a vacuum, but the anti-healing abilities of infernos should be nerfed to make it POSSIBLE to three star tens.. Which would have to come in conjunction to other balancing changes.
July 26th, 2015
Superfinch30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinheiro

Well, I think I won't have any problem at TH10 due to the fact that I three star max TH9's with 15 Royals and level one Pekka.

TH10 have level 5 Pekkas and 40 Royals, God ♥♥♥♥♥♥, how can it be hard to GoWiPe a side and backLoon the other.

Well, when you get there, feel free to tell me. Til then, accept my reassurance of: very.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FisherPrice

There are a lot of other defenses on the map besides the inferno towers.

I haven't yet figured out why people act as though the inferno tower itself is the one and only thing in the base doing damage to your troops.

Nobody is talking in such over-simplified terms.
The answer I gave is in essence, true.
Doesn't matter how many troops are being hit by the inferno, if it doesn't block healing, and they have a heal spell, inferno has no effect.
So the change they proposed, would make no difference whatsoever in balancing the removal of anti-heal.

The dps across the base of a maxed th10 is HUGE, yes. So it would be difficult to face-roll hogs in the old way, even without anti-heal of infernos.

But, as previously stated, a variant of gowiho that is so effective on strong th9s now might be too easy to 3 a th10 when you have the extra camp spaces, spell slot and 20 hero levels.

Can people in general on this forum stop trying to nit-pick the least detailed response or part of, and actually reply to the more substantial points that may have some significance?
July 26th, 2015
inferno218

Here are my 3 points for "Removing Inferno Anit Heal" and why it would be good for the game.

1. It would add diviersity to TH10 attacks
2. It would help TH9s attack TH10s since TH9s do not have Freeze
3. It would not aid TH10s when they attack down and hit TH9s.

For perspective I am a storng TH9. 70~ lava, the rest are lego. 22/20 AQ/BK
July 26th, 2015
steelseth

Quote:

Originally Posted by inferno218

Here are my 3 points for "Removing Inferno Anit Heal" and why it would be good for the game.

1. It would add diviersity to TH10 attacks

Popular TH10 3 star strategies.
Goho, laloon, mass witch (rare), any mix of the above.
Are they easy at TH10? NO. Should they be easy at TH10? NO.

Popular TH9 3 star strategies.
Goho, laloon. govalo (rare)

2. It would help TH9s attack TH10s since TH9s do not have Freeze
A TH9 can 2 star a decent TH10.
Should it be able to 3 star? NO. just as TH6 cant 3 star TH7, TH7 cant 3star TH8(maybe bad ones), TH8 cant 3 star TH9.

3. It would not aid TH10s when they attack down and hit TH9s.
I dont get how IT nerf would affect TH10 offense.

For perspective I am a storng TH9. 70~ lava, the rest are lego. 22/20 AQ/BK

10 chars ? lol
July 26th, 2015
inferno218

Quote:

Originally Posted by steelseth

10 chars ? lol

1) GoHo.. I can safely say I have NEVER seen GoHo TH10vsTH10 in a war. Neither have I ever seen mass witch in war. TH10 vs TH10 in war is 9 of 10 times GoWiPe

2) I did not say a TH9 should 3 star a TH10. I said it would help attacking up. Please read.

3) IT heal spell would not att fire power to a TH10 attacking a TH9. A freeze lvl 6 or offensive boost would make it even easier for a TH10 to step down and crush TH9
July 26th, 2015
steelseth

Quote:

Originally Posted by inferno218

1) GoHo.. I can safely say I have NEVER seen GoHo TH10vsTH10 in a war. Neither have I ever seen mass witch in war. TH10 vs TH10 in war is 9 of 10 times GoWiPe

2) I did not say a TH9 should 3 star a TH10. I said it would help attacking up. Please read.

3) IT heal spell would not att fire power to a TH10 attacking a TH9. A freeze lvl 6 or offensive boost would make it even easier for a TH10 to step down and crush TH9

1) If you are going for the 3 star you cant do it with GOWipe. I have seen alot of Goho and some mass witch.

Here https://www.youtube.com/user/ClashAttacksWithEd look around.

Now the argument could be made that they ♥♥♥♥♥ and practice hours to do those attacks, but in all honestly will you ever face on a 40vs40 war all max TH10 with dragonflower bases? NO.

2) A TH9 can 2 star a TH10 consistently, making it any easier would defeat your No.3 point, because a TH9 could 2 star the TH10 and the TH10 can be free to destroy the TH9s.

3) I never said I want an offensive boost, I think things are fine as they are. I can consistently 3 star mid TH10s and can get a 1 out of 4-5 on a near max one, and Im happy with that.
July 26th, 2015
Micker99

Quote:

Originally Posted by steelseth

1) If you are going for the 3 star you cant do it with GOWipe. I have seen alot of Goho and some mass witch.

Here https://www.youtube.com/user/ClashAttacksWithEd look around.

Now the argument could be made that they ♥♥♥♥♥ and practice hours to do those attacks, but in all honestly will you ever face on a 40vs40 war all max TH10 with dragonflower bases? NO.

2) A TH9 can 2 star a TH10 consistently, making it any easier would defeat your No.3 point, because a TH9 could 2 star the TH10 and the TH10 can be free to destroy the TH9s.

3) I never said I want an offensive boost, I think things are fine as they are. I can consistently 3 star mid TH10s and can get a 1 out of 4-5 on a near max one, and Im happy with that.

You can consistently 3 star mid th10s?? I assume you have level 40 heroes, what attacks are you using?

I agree that the anti heal of infernos is just over the top and I am a TH10. It should be easier to 3 star in war against a TH10. 2 stars is way too easy and 3 stars seems impossible without near max heroes.
July 26th, 2015
steelseth

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micker99

You can consistently 3 star mid th10s?? I assume you have level 40 heroes, what attacks are you using?

I agree that the anti heal of infernos is just over the top and I am a TH10. It should be easier to 3 star in war against a TH10. 2 stars is way too easy and 3 stars seems impossible without near max heroes.

37 going to 38. Mostly golem heavy Goho cause if it fails you can still hope for a 2 star. If laloon fails most of the times you are screwed.
July 26th, 2015
JtB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahle

How much would removing the anti heal from the ITowers affect the TH 10 attacks? Should SC look at this in a way of maybe balancing the huge difference between current attack power against defense power? I am too low to even consider the point of using the it's myself, but was just wondering.

i follow a lot of th 10 attacks both within my wars in past and on YouTube. Seems that the th 10 attacks are almost always a hard 2 star. What would happen if heals worked on a perma basis versus these ITs. I have heard in past that the anti heal was brought in as a counter for the hogs power at the time. Now since GBs do insane damage to hogs without a proper heal in place before hand, is the anti heal still mandatory as a defense against it?

Lol, what are you talking about? Offense is way overpowered, they just added the poison spell which makes the disparity between offense and defense even greater. It's so easy to get 2 stars on maxed town hall 10's.
July 26th, 2015
Derek1991

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahle

How much would removing the anti heal from the ITowers affect the TH 10 attacks? Should SC look at this in a way of maybe balancing the huge difference between current attack power against defense power? I am too low to even consider the point of using the it's myself, but was just wondering.

i follow a lot of th 10 attacks both within my wars in past and on YouTube. Seems that the th 10 attacks are almost always a hard 2 star. What would happen if heals worked on a perma basis versus these ITs. I have heard in past that the anti heal was brought in as a counter for the hogs power at the time. Now since GBs do insane damage to hogs without a proper heal in place before hand, is the anti heal still mandatory as a defense against it?

It does kinda make TH10 OP vs TH9s. Maybe if the inferno's nerfed heals by 50% or something it'd be quite a bit better.

As-is it's extremely tough for a decent TH9 to score on anything but a noob TH10. And the anti-heal was pretty much to nerf Hogs 3 starring everything.... and then they went a step further and made the GB's do 50% extra :( They are rather pointless now at TH10.
July 26th, 2015
Saleh47

Quote:

Originally Posted by FisherPrice

Why is it not used at TH9?

Many th9s bases are made anti hogs/giants because there is no inferno to stop them. At th10 on the other hand these attacks are rarely used on th10 mainly because of infernos (not damage but rather heal blocking effect).

If this will be implemented at anytime it will lead to two things:

- More & easy 3 stars at th10
- A big change in th10 designs
- More infernos set to single
July 26th, 2015
zachUVA

Quote:

Originally Posted by JtB

Lol, what are you talking about? Offense is way overpowered, they just added the poison spell which makes the disparity between offense and defense even greater. It's so easy to get 2 stars on maxed town hall 10's.

I can't recall a single point in the game's history where 2-starring was ever particularly difficult, so that's a pretty bad way to judge balance. Offense has to be that much more powerful than defense or nobody would bother playing.

3 starring on the other hand is not particularly easy right now (at least compared to several past periods), and I think that's actually a sign of better than normal balance. Offense certainly isn't OP at the time...
July 26th, 2015
JtB

Quote:

Originally Posted by zachUVA

I can't recall a single point in the game's history where 2-starring was ever particularly difficult, so that's a pretty bad way to judge balance. Offense has to be that much more powerful than defense or nobody would bother playing.

3 starring on the other hand is not particularly easy right now (at least compared to several past periods), and I think that's actually a sign of better than normal balance. Offense certainly isn't OP at the time...

So hardly ever winning on defense as a maxed town hall 10 means that offense isn't overpowered?
July 26th, 2015
zachUVA

Quote:

Originally Posted by JtB

So hardly ever winning on defense as a maxed town hall 10 means that offense isn't overpowered?

Yep. The best offense > the best defense is par for the course. If it was the other way around, why attack?
July 26th, 2015
FisherPrice

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saleh47

Many th9s bases are made anti hogs/giants because there is no inferno to stop them. At th10 on the other hand these attacks are rarely used on th10 mainly because of infernos (not damage but rather heal blocking effect).

If this will be implemented at anytime it will lead to two things:

- More & easy 3 stars at th10
- A big change in th10 designs
- More infernos set to single

What, TH10 players can't go back to putting double giant bombs inside their base? And springs?

The fifth giant bomb AND a fourth level to the giant bombs don't already have a big impact on hogs?
July 26th, 2015
Const

Quote:

Originally Posted by FisherPrice

What, TH10 players can't go back to putting double giant bombs inside their base? And springs?

The fifth giant bomb AND a fourth level to the giant bombs don't already have a big impact on hogs?

Question is ; do we need to 3 star th10s easily. Or rather being able to spam hogs from one point to 3 star a base ?? Doesn't sound like strategy to me.
July 26th, 2015
FisherPrice

Quote:

Originally Posted by Const

Question is ; do we need to 3 star th10s easily. Or rather being able to spam hogs from one point to 3 star a base ?? Doesn't sound like strategy to me.

lo what are you talking about?

Can you easily three star a max TH9 by spamming hogs from one point? No? Do you really think 25 more troop spaces and one more spell would make that possible vs another giant bomb, another level of giant bombs, another cannon, another archer tower, another xbow, two cannon levels, two archer tower levels, an xbow level, two inferno towers, another tesla level...?

You REALLY think it would be spam hogs from one spot and easily three star a TH10 just because you could use heal spells???

Do you even play this game? Do you even use hogs??
July 26th, 2015
Const

Quote:

Originally Posted by FisherPrice

lo what are you talking about?

Can you easily three star a max TH9 by spamming hogs from one point? No? Do you really think 25 more troop spaces and one more spell would make that possible vs another giant bomb, another level of giant bombs, another cannon, another archer tower, another xbow, two cannon levels, two archer tower levels, an xbow level, two inferno towers, another tesla level...?

You REALLY think it would be spam hogs from one spot and easily three star a TH10 just because you could use heal spells???

Do you even play this game? Do you even use hogs??

sorry that's what I see. And yes i play this game. Probably more than enough.
July 26th, 2015
FisherPrice

Quote:

Originally Posted by Const

sorry that's what I see. And yes i play this game. Probably more than enough.

Do you use hogs vs high/max TH9? And get easy three stars by just spamming hogs from one point? Replays please.
July 26th, 2015
Const

Quote:

Originally Posted by FisherPrice

Do you use hogs vs high/max TH9? And get easy three stars by just spamming hogs from one point? Replays please.

How do I record it? Also how did u get the idea that th10s arent 3 starrable?
July 26th, 2015
Superfinch30

Quote:

Originally Posted by FisherPrice

What, TH10 players can't go back to putting double giant bombs inside their base? And springs?

The fifth giant bomb AND a fourth level to the giant bombs don't already have a big impact on hogs?

Quote:

Originally Posted by FisherPrice

lo what are you talking about?

Can you easily three star a max TH9 by spamming hogs from one point? No? Do you really think 25 more troop spaces and one more spell would make that possible vs another giant bomb, another level of giant bombs, another cannon, another archer tower, another xbow, two cannon levels, two archer tower levels, an xbow level, two inferno towers, another tesla level...?

You REALLY think it would be spam hogs from one spot and easily three star a TH10 just because you could use heal spells???

Do you even play this game? Do you even use hogs??

I see you're back to picking up on the tiniest detail, and extrapolating into nonsense, because you then thinks it makes a point.

You are quite right, random hog spam would not work.

You are right, th10s could start putting double GBs in their bases, which few outside of 'elite' bothered to, as they never get touched with hogs.

However..
I see you have your little rants at these comments, whereas no response to my more reasonable implication of gowiho being too easy a 3* if anti-heal was stopped.
Not easy, far from face roll, but possibly easier than doing it as a max 9 on 9, which shouldn't be the case.

Th10 3 starring is far too hard, but the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM difficulty it should be is similar to that of max 9 vs max 9. On a proper anti-3 base.
July 26th, 2015
Const

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfinch30

I see you're back to picking up on the tiniest detail, and extrapolating into nonsense, because you then thinks it makes a point.

You are quite right, random hog spam would not work.

You are right, th10s could start putting double GBs in their bases, which few outside of 'elite' bothered to, as they never get touched with hogs.

However..
I see you have your little rants at these comments, whereas no response to my more reasonable implication of gowiho being too easy a 3* if anti-heal was stopped.
Not easy, far from face roll, but possibly easier than doing it as a max 9 on 9, which shouldn't be the case.

Th10 3 starring is far too hard, but the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM difficulty it should be is similar to that of max 9 vs max 9. On a proper anti-3 base.

I am a max TH9. I rarely 2 star another max th9 :/. I mostly use lavas and sometimes use Golems + Lavas
July 26th, 2015
ratpack2000

Another suggestion for a tweak

Anti healing removed from inferno towers but with a twist

The damage that the inferno does cannot be healed during or after the impact so it effectively reduces the max HP of every unit it hits whilst still allowing healing against everything else that might be hitting at the same time

Mass hogs would still be useless because they would have no utility after getting through the core. Potential HP reduction would mean that a single giant bomb could kill a group of them or their Hp would be low enough that other defenses could shred them as they moved through the rest of the base

Additionally, as you could now do some healing, it would be possible to increase the number of affected targets (maybe 10 instead of 5)

In my mind, it still makes them a powerful defence to be feared whilst reducing the effectiveness of a tightly packed TH10 core with all the DPS in the middle

Before you tear me apart, its just a thought...
July 26th, 2015
Squall9010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahle

Any chance we can get a mod to put a pole in with this, with a few different choices? Would like to see an actual number of people that for or against and or for with a few changes made kinda thing.

This isn't the same as experience with the new queen, this is speculation with most people not being aware of the consequences, poll would be more meaningless than the queen one which already had many faults with it.
July 26th, 2015
Superfinch30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squall9010

This isn't the same as experience with the new queen, this is speculation with most people not being aware of the consequences, poll would be more meaningless than the queen one which already had many faults with it.

Quite......
July 26th, 2015
GrimReaper88

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahle

How much would removing the anti heal from the ITowers affect the TH 10 attacks? Should SC look at this in a way of maybe balancing the huge difference between current attack power against defense power? I am too low to even consider the point of using the it's myself, but was just wondering.

i follow a lot of th 10 attacks both within my wars in past and on YouTube. Seems that the th 10 attacks are almost always a hard 2 star. What would happen if heals worked on a perma basis versus these ITs. I have heard in past that the anti heal was brought in as a counter for the hogs power at the time. Now since GBs do insane damage to hogs without a proper heal in place before hand, is the anti heal still mandatory as a defense against it?

Absolutely NO! Didn't even read your post, NO to the title, No to the title and No to the title. TH10 was meant to be difficult if it gets too easy it will become boring.
July 26th, 2015
FisherPrice

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superfinch30

I see you're back to picking up on the tiniest detail, and extrapolating into nonsense, because you then thinks it makes a point.

Uh...this is not a "tiny detail"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Const

Question is ; do we need to 3 star th10s easily. Or rather being able to spam hogs from one point to 3 star a base ?? Doesn't sound like strategy to me.

He flat out said that infernos not being anti-heal would mean you could spam hogs from one point to easily three star TH10's.

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