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Has anyone out there done a definitive study about where we can get the most XP for our produce? Is it boats, trucks or town?? It is hard to work out as most orders contain multiple items but some pointers would be appreciated!
The town is such a pain to manage but if a maxed building give the best return I will persevere, but I am just not sure. The recent 2x XP truck even was fantastic at levelling up but I am more interested in where the best place is in 'normal conditions'
i think that the truck is the best for XP. Because you get the xp almost immedaitly, while with the town you have to wait untill they are done and tere is a limit in visitors etc. Also you can trash low xp orders easier. But I never did the math. I love the town and under normal conditions I prefer the town, but when I want to level up faster I do trucks.
There seems to be quite a few guides so I imagine there is also one that covers xp.Quote:
Originally Posted by StanDadVille
I can only speak from my own experience and for me the town seems to be where I make most of my xp. My first couple of upgrades on town buildings were for extra coins because my level was lower and I needed coins for new machines. Now that I have more coins than I need, I only upgrade for extra xp. I am only on level 75, but I manage to level up every few days from wheating and town visitors as I rarely do boats and mostly ignore trucks.
I'm going to make some assumptions:
First, let's assume there is a base line consistent "value" for each product embedded in the game's programming, and this value determines the amount of various rewards you are given when the item is redeemed in game.
On truck orders, you get a combination of XP and coins. However, you can get two orders for the same item but with different yields in coins and XP. That underlying "value" is in the programming, though, so if one order has higher coins, and lower XP, the other will have lower coins and higher XP, to balance it out. So choosing the right order to redeem matters depending on which resource you want to collect.
Boat orders add an additional currency, the Boat Points. It's not unreasonable to assume that the reward for an item on a boat will split the value between coins, XP and Boat points, meaning there is a chance you'll get less XP on average. I haven't really checked to see if the rewards are consistent from one boat to another for the same product.
In the Town, you have rewards of coins and XP and Town Reputation. So, again assuming there is a base line "value" for an item, it's possible that the game considers the Town Reputation to be part of the value, meaning a reward in town will yield less XP or coins than an identical order on a truck.
Things are even further complicated by the fact that the reward you get in Town is modified depending on what building it is purchased in. A single ice cream cone in the Diner will yield a different value than an Ice Cream Cone in the Beach Cafe because they take different amounts of time to process at the locations.
But in town you ALSO get rewarded per visitor with a valuable (?) item drop. Is that item's value also factored into the programming?
Also worth noting is that I've done enough truck orders to know that they see-saw up and down with coins vs XP. It's possible the same thing happens on boat and town orders, I just haven't paid as much attention. So how much XP you get from cashing in a particular item could vary from order to order as well as redemption method.
For my part, I am ignoring boats unless there is a 2x voucher event, and I am filling visitor requests until I max out my town reputation. After that, I'll just be doing truck orders only, and will be targeting those orders that give me 750+ XP and trashing the rest.
Any further scrutiny beyond that is not worth the time to consider, in my opinion. Given how many items there are, and the various redemption methods, it's just way too much to try to analyze while I play.
Ok, I have been doing some anecdotal analysis. The value of items in boats seems to be entirely predictable - a loaf of bread is always worth the same number of XP. This is broadly the same as the return in the town, before building bonus, and is also in line with the average return (taking coins and XP and dividing by 2) on the truck before mastering 10% bonus.
Trucks can vary widely in terms of coins:XP ratio so this is where we can tip the balance. It seems to me though that certain items are far more likely to have disproportionately high XP than others - candy, beeswax, pillows and similar high-end items seeming to favour XP over coins. I have only been filling trucks with more XP than coins for some time, unless I have excess of the requested item anyway, as is always the case with wheat.
So, the conclusion seems to be that the least favourable return is from other people's boats (not a great incentive to be generous!) along with undeveloped town buildings and unmastered products in trucks. Your own boats are only slightly more generous, based on the boat-completion bonus. The 60% bonus for maxed town buildings can only be beaten by the most disproportionate ratios from trucks and, of course, any event offering 2x XP. Trucks certainly offer the most immediate return, as emphasised by the previous contributor, but filling all trucks quickly decimates supplies so is only worth doing during events, in my opinion.
so from now on, I will be reluctantly returning to my town, and may even spend valuable planks upgrading the XP return on my diner. I will continue to fill high-ratio trucks as long as they do not demand vital raw materials (butter, Mayo, etc). As for other people's boats, I will have to really like you!!
This is An excellent analysis. I can only add a few things.Quote:
Originally Posted by CheddarLimbo
If you add together the XP and coins on a truck order, you get delightfully close to the max price in the RSS.
The boat amounts are close but you do loose some because of the boat points and vouchers. I still do them because a single truck order might give me 300 XP for five items, but the boats can triple that amount for one type of item. Three bowls of soup might give me a whole lot more XP at one time than a single truck order for one or two. So I like the volume.
Finally while the town might seem like it is giving you less than a truck order, you can control what it gives you by upgrading that particular item. At the beginning, like most folks, I upgraded for time and slots. But now my strategy is upgrading for XP and RP instead of coins because that's what I want now.
Lastly while the visitor event is well liked, especially for lower levels chasing coins, it is pitiful for XP. No matter what they ask for, you still only get five XP. Their main use is imediate space relief in whatever storage building is holding what they are asking for. It is well worth it for me to sell 475 wheat to one of them when my silo is bursting at the seems, but not worth it when they want 25 saws.
Other than those few points, cheddar's analysis is excellent.
I loved your last line! And I only have one thing to add about helping other people's boats. The main reason some folks help boats isn't always for the coins or XP, but for the thank you notes. It's fun to send Alfred off for a package especially if you like decorations. I also fill boats to ease up barn space, beleive it or not and because they are easier to find than one or two hidden bushes flopping. But I draw the line at filling fish or feather boats. I have to reeeeeeallllly like you to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by StanDadVille
I actually trawl the dd for boat crates to fill. I do this because I find it is less stressful on my stock as I can pick and choose what crates I want rather than depleting my supplies of three items in one hit for my own boat. I am working on the boat score hunter and I prefer this less stressful way of getting boat points as I get one, two or three points per crate filled depending on the item. I also like the thank you letters even though I seem to have no luck with Alfred, often getting a single axe for 30 coupons >.<Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiggerr129
Just remember with the thank you notes that you can only get 5 a day regardless how many crates u fill. And if you get a gift of axes, it should be way more than one - I got 7 pick axes last time!Quote:
Originally Posted by FarmerIzumi
Highest Xp per hour or minute will be doing trucks n WheatingQuote:
Originally Posted by StanDadVille
I am aware that I can only get 5 a day but since I mostly fill crates for the boat score, this is okay :)Quote:
Originally Posted by StanDadVille
It also ties in well with the derby as I just completed four 320 point help tasks in very little time without having to change my playing style.
Maybe I was wrong about the single axe. I usually buy the decor package and, although I have never got a tractor or any other rare item, I always do get some piece of decor. When a decor package is not available, I get the large mystery package and it looks to me that only a single axe, shovel or pick flies into my barn. It could be that there are more but that I don't notice as I always have surplus of those items anyway.
I don't know the other produced items but my fully upgraded cinema gives me 1500 xp for a jelly bean
I do as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by FarmerIzumi
The other thing about looking for flagged crates through the DD is the shopping aspect. I find it too frustrating just tapping through wheat ads to find Some milk that I need.
But where I am already at a farm to see what they need for their boat I usually get the most happy discoveries. Juices, rice or lettuce or chocolate popcorn when I'm getting low...and if I can offload something in my barn at the same time---so much the better.
Also I pick up a lot of cheap wheat this way.
Got my Boat Score Hunter 3 just this week and was delighted at the 50 diamonds! Woohoo!
Congrats! I have about 400 points to go :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparkly888
I agree that some of my best buys are found while filling boat crates. I often end up with more in my barn than is comfortable but a good buy is irresistible :p
Please don't discuss exploits, thanks.
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As for getting XP while you're hunting for the highest XP scores and making big steps don't forget the little things they do add up.
- Collecting finished product earns XP. I can easily collect a few thousand XP in the morning by collecting my overnight production. So leave as little machines unused as possible.
- Keep your animals fed and pets awake. Collecting it gives XP and collecting the animal feed you need for it does too.
- If you can spare the axes and saws plant an orchard of fruit and sell it. They sell fast at high prices and harvesting fruit does add up and chopping the tree or bush gives a few XP.
- Never leave your fields empty
- Even buying decorations gives a few XP
- Too many mining tools ? No such thing. Mine and sell the surplus ore if needed.
I am sure there are lots of little examples like this. It's little things obviously - although the fruit can give lots of XP of you can afford to plant half a farm full - however they do add up in the end.